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Encouragement for the sciences

"A carelessly written, possibly unnecessarily long chapter using a single source"

There seems to be a problem here that I see but cannot identify. Especially considering the self-referential feature in the Quran. I think it is more worthy of your attention. NGC 628 (talk) 08:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC) NGC 628 (talk) 08:28, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

The fact that Islamic attitudes towards science and topic Science and the Quran exist. This section is not completely redundant and could be improved with more RS. Zsohl^(Talk) 09:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@NGC 628: The section should be summarized, not copied in its entirety from the main article and why do you never give credit when copying within Wikipedia? Zsohl^(Talk) 14:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

It is not a copy, it is a summary. I would like to say this about the removed picture, it is a picture about the 7 heavens, on the Persian Wikipedia. Do the pictures have to be taken from Islamic sources? Or from what kind of Islamic sources? By the way, only one of the pictures in the content section is related to the content, I put it there too.NGC 628 (talk) 06:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I can see exact lines from main article. Summarize in your own words and give credit when copying within Wikipedia. Why didn't you do it?

About image, the image itself is not dedicated to the Islamic concept of the seven skies. Zsohl^(Talk) 09:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I understood your purpose. But I do not think that this Islamic concept you call coincides with the Quran. This general understanding reflects the Islamic legends placed on it. Jesus on the first sky, Moses on the second etc.

A Persian miniature depicting Seven Heavens from The History of Mohammed, Bibliothèque nationale de France, Paris.

NGC 628 (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Again, that image was not made to reflect any Islamic concept, neither from Quran nor any legends. Zsohl^(Talk) 09:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Considering that the Quran uses a cosmological terminology from that period, the picture I added to the article is a suitable picture. It distances us from legends and contributes to our understanding of the terminology of the Quran.NGC 628 (talk) 09:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It's your understanding, not from any RS. It come under WP:OR. Zsohl^(Talk) 09:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It is not my opinion that the Quran uses periodic language. Fazlur Rahman Malik strongly emphasized this issue: "Mohammed Ali Ismail discusses how Fazlur Rahman contributed to the creation of the contextual approach for examining the Qur’an. The contextual approach when examining the Qur’an means to understand that the Qur’an was created in a specific time; therefore, it is context-specific to the time it was created. Fazlur-Rahman says that two things or what he calls “a twofold movement” need to be done when trying to interpret the Qur’an into modern times, and through these ideas, his support of a contextual approach to the Qur’an is evident. The first thing Fazlur-Rahman says is modern people need to keep in mind the context of when the Qur’an was made. The second thing Fazlur-Rahman says that needs to be considered is modern social changes that would not have been possible in the time the Qur’an was made. People such as Abdullah Saeed and Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd also support the contextual approach. Amina Wadud and Sa'diyyah Shaikh claim to be inspired by Fazlur-Rahman's ideas such as his contextual approach to the Qur'an." NGC 628 (talk) 10:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Are we still taking about image? We are not discussing whether Quran uses periodic language or not. Zsohl^(Talk) 11:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Which picture and what is there to discuss about the picture. If you are talking about the Subtitle I added, the answer is in the text piece I quoted.NGC 628 (talk) 11:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)