Talk:Conor McGregor

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2021

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I would just change the reason for defeat in his third fight with Poirer to 'TKO (Doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)', as that was the official reason. 159.196.170.44 (talk) 03:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 03:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Undone: This request has been undone. By User:Cassiopeia. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 04:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Why was this request undone? AgentStark (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

According to User:Cassiopeia, fight results can only come from Sherdog due to WP:MMA guidelines. Sherdog lists the fight result as "TKO (Leg injury)" ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 08:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done again. The fight stoppage was due to doctor's intervention. As was/is already referenced in the article. The Reliable Sources Noticeboard has already ruled that sources other than Sherdog can be used in MMA articles, and specifically in this one. (If sherdog isn't listing the official reason for stoppage, maybe it's not that reliable?) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN, I invite you to self-revert, then discuss, per WP:BRD. Stop edit-warring. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

WP:MMA says:

In the column Method, unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result that is available in a fighter's record at Sherdog Fight Finder. Do not use your interpretation of a fight result in the record, as the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Any result that is not referenced or that is not the same as in Sherdog, must be returned to how it is described in Sherdog.

Not ambiguous. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. Please do not revert the text from the result "TKO (Leg injury)" again. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 09:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I didn't, I restored the version as per Sherdog. Bastun changed it.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Bastun - I really don't want an argument. Please read the following from WP:MMA:

In the column Method, unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result that is available in a fighter's record at Sherdog Fight Finder. Do not use your interpretation of a fight result in the reEDOCHAN|NEDOCHAN]] (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)cord, as the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Any result that is not referenced or that is not the same as in Sherdog, must be returned to how it is described in Sherdog.

Thanks. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Copied the above from my talk page, where it was posted for some odd reason. Why post that there, rather than here?

Response to it: It's lovely, but it's completely unenforceable - who agreed to that? How many editors? When and where? A dead Wikiproject? You are well aware that the Reliable Sources Noticeboard already ruled you can't limit MMA sources to Sherdog, and ESPN is a reliable source. I did not add my own interpretation, as you claim. If Sherdog isn't reporting the official causes of fights ending, maybe it's just not so reliable? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

It is the official result. That's why it's there. NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Somehow I didn't notice it was a dead Wikiproject. @Bastun makes good points. However my edit was initially reverted by @Cassiopeia, citing the same reason as @NEDOCHAN on my talk page actually about WP:MMA. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

It'd also be great, Bastun, if you stopped needlessly insulting a WikiProject of which you're not a member and to which you have never contributed every time you come to a page about Conor McGregor. There are lots of us who do lots of work and it'd be appreciated if you stopped slagging us off.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The WP hasn't been updated since 2007... ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject MMA is alive and well, thanks.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts&action=historyNEDOCHAN (talk) 10:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Sixteen separate non-bot editors over the most recent 50 edits, which go back to February? This is an ex-parrot. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The project is moribund at best. The fact that you use it in your argument is why I have to reference it. The result sherdog reports is not the official result. The result ESPN reports is. I'd also like to remind editors of this: There are arguments both for and against the reliability of this source. Editors who considered the source less reliable cited lack of reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, while those in favor cited its agreement with ESPN as an indication of fact-checking and accuracy per WP:RS. Overall, however, the consensus seems to be that the source is less reliable than ESPN and other sources rated generally reliable, but does not count as a self-published source under WP:SPS. Some editors believe that Sherdog is reliable for some basic information, especially fight information and results, but not other information. Overall, the consensus is that the source should be used with caution, on a case-by-case basis. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 13:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC) source.

This was the result of a substantive RfC at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard about sherdog. Note the bit about it's reliability deriving from its partnership from ESPN? Your ownership of this article is getting tiresome at this stage. Again, I invite you to self-revert. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The pageviews have been about 10 per day for the past five years. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude, that has nothing to do with anything. Bastun. Even the quote above, which was a non-admin closure of an RFC started by a sock and contained three different socks of the same user voting in it, still says that for fight records there is consensus for them to be as per Sherdog. I won't revert and I'd ask you not to either. The official result is NOT what it says in ESPN. The official result is TKO (injury). Sherdog and other sources often say what was injured, for posterity. https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/ufc-264-results-highlights-dustin-poirier-scores-tko-victory-after-conor-mcgregor-suffers-leg-injury/live/NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:21, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

It shows the level of activity in the WikiProject, as does the revision history you tagged: it's very low. Regardless, I restored Bastun's edit because it is the more WP:RS. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea whether or not any participants in the RfC were socks. Non-admin closures are perfectly fine. That RfC result absolutely stands, until such time as there's another, with a different ruling. Even if the WP:MMA instruction above carried more weight than the RfC (it doesn't), it states In the column Method, unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result... (my emphasis added). So, as the body and the source in the body do indeed say otherwise - get on with the reverting, NEDOCHAN. Also please stop with the ownership and WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour. We are literally talking about the addition of a couple of words, sourced, to a reliable source, which are entirely accurate. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The ESPN source doesn't say TKO (doctor's stoppage due to leg injury).NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The UFC official scorecard result of the fight is "Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor via TKO (Doctor stoppage) at 5:00 of round one."

ufc.com/news/official-scorecards-ufc-264-poirier-vs-mcgregor-3

ufc.com/news/ufc-264-poirier-vs-mcgregor-3-results-wonderboy-burns-highlights-interviews-winners

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

UFC is not a 3rd party, reliable source. CBS: https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/ufc-264-results-highlights-dustin-poirier-scores-tko-victory-after-conor-mcgregor-suffers-leg-injury/live/NEDOCHAN (talk) 12:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know the extent to which you're familiar with the topic, but this is actually important. McGregor expressly asked for this listing, as it's in his and the UFC's favour. The UFC is not reliable to list the official results. Also it only lists UFC fights. Sherdog lists all fights and is used throughout Wikipedia. UFC have a financial incentive to do things the way Conor wants.NEDOCHAN (talk) 12:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know the extent to which you're familiar with WP:RS. Primary sources can be used appropriately in certain situations, and this is certainly one, where it is clearly supplemented by multiple reliable secondary sources that mention essentially the same result: a TKO doctor's stoppage due to leg/ankle injury.

• ESPN - "The official result was Poirier by TKO (doctor's stoppage) at 5:00 of the first round."
• NY Times "Lost via technical knockout because of a doctor's stoppage."
• WashPo "Poirier claimed the final chapter of [the fight] on a doctor's decision when McGregor could not continue after injuring his leg."
• DAZN News "Poirier def. McGregor at 5:00 of the first round after the ringside doctor stopped the fight."
• CBS "Dustin Poirier scores TKO victory after Conor McGregor suffers leg injury"
• Sherdog "Result: Loss. TKO (Leg Injury)"

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The official result is TKO (injury). Sherdog and a few other sites say what was injured. I am not disputing what happened, I am keeping the official result in accordance with the source we use in every MMA fighter page as per WP:MMA guidelines.NEDOCHAN (talk) 12:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

At the very least, doctor's stoppage should be added to the notes section of the table. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 20:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done, and cited to ESPN (as there is no bar on reliable sources other than sherdog being used; and sherdog's reliability derives in part from its association with ESPN). Note that the person reverting this change has been blocked from this page for one week for edit warring. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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Can I include recent controversy of Conor McGregor .

Conor McGregor commented on Dustin Poreir's wife , shown on twitter some screenshots of Instagram requests of Porior's wife. Huge Earth (talk) 05:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Trash talk isn't controversial in the same sense as the other examples. Not notable.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

But he used offensive language about Poirier's wife infront of capacity crowd. I think it controversial. He threatened to kill Poirier. Huge Earth (talk) 11:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2021

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Sosa 1917 (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 

The “KO” loss on the Wikipedia of Conor McGregor was officially ruled a TKO by the UFC ON January 24, 2021 at UFC 257. Please fix this mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sosa 1917 (talk • contribs)

 Done at 07:22, 13 July 2021 (→‎Mixed martial arts record: 1/24/21 result changed from "KO" to "TKO" as the article already mentions this was a TKO with reliable sources under Conor_McGregor#2021) ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 07:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Apparently @NEDOCHAN cannot read that the given source for this fight, cbssports.com/mma/news/ufc-257-results-highlights-dustin-poirier-stuns-conor-mcgregor-with-second-round-knockout/live, states the results as "TKO (punches)". I reverted their edit as such a clear contradiction to the source constitutes vandalism. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 07:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

 Undone We source the official record to Sherdog.NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Listing the fight as a 'KO' (instead of as a 'TKO') goes against the very source being used to justify that sentence. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 07:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• The edit has yet again been reverted, NED0CHAN's fifth revert in 24 hours. See Also: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:NEDOCHAN_reported_by_User:FormalDude_(Result:_). ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 07:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Good call. We source the official record to WP:RS, not limited to sherdog. The edit-warring editor has been blocked for one week. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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Dispute about fight results for UFC 257 & UFC 264 (Copied from DRN)

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@FormalDude, Bastun, NEDOCHAN, AgentStark, and Cassiopeia: I am copying the following discussion from the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard that should have been taking place here, and can continue taking place here. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Dispute: Is Sherdog.com the only acceptable source to use for official MMA fight results/outcomes?

Argument A: WP:MMA states "In the column Method, unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result that is available in a fighter's record at Sherdog Fight Finder. Do not use your interpretation of a fight result in the record, as the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Any result that is not referenced or that is not the same as in Sherdog, must be returned to how it is described in Sherdog."

Argument B: WP:MMA, a relatively non-active wikiproject, does not override WP:RS policy. Additionally, the Reliable Sources Noticeboard has already ruled that sources other than Sherdog can be used in MMA articles, and specifically in Conor McGregor (Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_318#Sherdog.com).

First disputed edit: Results of UFC 264 McGregor v Poirer on 10 July, 2021. (Discussion: Talk:Conor_McGregor#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_12_July_2021)
•Argument A says the result is "TKO (leg injury)" with justification being the Sherdog source.
•Argument B says the result is "TKO (doctor stoppage due to leg injury)" with justification being six reliable sources.
Second disputed edit: Results of UFC 257 McGregor v Poirer on 24 January, 2021. (Discussion: Talk:Conor_McGregor#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_13_July_2021)
•Argument A says the result is "KO (punches)" with justification being the Sherdog source.
•Argument B says the result is "TKO (punches)" with justification being the CBS source used in the body text of the article.

Interesting that you chose to ignore this. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Good lord, stop with the non-sequiturs. I didn't ignore that, that is the basis of the disagreement. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 09:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

You didn't add Cassiopeia but you did add someone with 1 edit.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

While I'm glad they chose to give their opinions here, they did not comment at all on the talk page discussions. Again, this is completely besides the point. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Bastun

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

I didn't get a ping about this, and disagree with the preliminary outcome, so I've reopened.

Argument A: unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result that is available in a fighter's record at Sherdog Fight Finder. (My emphasis added)

Sources within the body of the article do state otherwise. ESPN and several other WP:RS give the fight result as "doctor's stoppage" in the body of the article. More sources are listed here, above. That is the official result, is sourced, and can and should be used. Which brings us to:

Argument B: "the Reliable Sources Noticeboard has already ruled that sources other than Sherdog can be used in MMA articles, and specifically in the Conor McGregor article. (Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_318#Sherdog.com).

I mean - that's pretty crystal clear, isn't it? There is no One True Source. The RfC has ruled, the ruling has not been overturned. It still stands. One or two active editors - one of whom has just been blocked from the article in question for a week - can't enforce their project's guideline over community consensus. They just can't.

So, I move that the first edit (McGregor's most recent result) be changed to match the ESPN source: TKO (doctor's stoppage). But - more substantively - I would like to see confirmation that the MMA project's guideline does not trump Wikipedia policy on WP:CONSENSUS or the outcome of an RfC. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by NEDOCHAN

Please keep it brief - less than 2000 characters if possible, it helps us help you quicker.

No source has TKO (Doctor stoppage due to leg injury). Not one source. Not a single source lists the result that way. Nada. It is a paraphrase, not an official result. Every MMA page in Wikipedia sources fight results to Sherdog. The MMA infobox contains a link to it.

Who, specifically, are these sources paraphrasing? These are all official results just as much as Sherdog is, regardless of MMA article precedent.

• ESPN - "The official result was Poirier by TKO (doctor's stoppage) at 5:00 of the first round."
• NY Times "Lost via technical knockout because of a doctor's stoppage."
• WashPo "Poirier claimed the final chapter of [the fight] on a doctor's decision when McGregor could not continue after injuring his leg."
• DAZN News "Poirier def. McGregor at 5:00 of the first round after the ringside doctor stopped the fight."
• CBS "Dustin Poirier scores TKO victory after Conor McGregor suffers leg injury"
• UFC 1, 2 "Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor via TKO (Doctor stoppage) at 5:00 of round one."

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 09:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How about you show me a source that says, verbatim, TKO (Doctor stoppage due to leg injury) ?NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Each source explicitly says the fight ended with a TKO due to a doctor's stoppage, explicitly says McGregor had a leg injury, and explicitly says the leg injury is what caused the doctor's stoppage. I'm not continuing this discussion anymore as you're just going in circles. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 09:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How's that verbatim result coming along?NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:59, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Each source explicitly says the fight ended with a TKO due to a doctor's stoppage. How's that week-long block from the article going? How's being laughed off AN/I going? I mean, is there a better recent example of WP:IDONTHEARTHAT around the project? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Cassiopeia

Fist of all WikiProject MMA is not dead and but well alive as many of regular MMA editors do involve in the discussions concerning WikiProject MMA. The guidelines using Sherdog as the fight record precisely many sources or editors would indicate slightly different fight method and discussions and dispute get out of hand. We can go on and dig other sources of TKO to KO or KO to TKO, from leg injury to doctor stoppage and so on and so forth. User:FormalDude, Sherdog indicate TKO (doctor stoppage) then Sherdog change it to TKO (leg injury) the next day. Could we compromise to use Sherdog TKO (leg injury) but indicate due to to doctor stoppage in the note section and close this dispute/discussion? Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

That's a fine resolution for the first disputed edit, but the second disputed edit needs to be updated to "TKO" instead of "KO". The very MMA guidelines you're using a justification stipulate that Sherdog should be used "unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise." This source in the body of the text says the result is a TKO, not a KO. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude for UFC 264, it is a TKO. All is good then - TKO (leg injury) on fight method and "due to doctor stoppage" in the note section. If that is agreed by you then we can close this discussion. Kindly info. As for UFC 257, if many source indicate a TKO then we go by that and in the other hand if more source indicate KO, the KO be it then. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:29, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia: All good on UFC 264. UFC 257 however, the article says the result was "KO (punches)", however the sources in the body text says the result was "TKO (punches)". Per MMA policy we should go by the source in the body text, right? So "TKO (punches)" would be the result. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude I have a brief checked, the sources I see is TKO for UFC 257. I think we are resolve the 2 issues here. If you agree then this discussion can be closed. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Fantastic. I greatly appreciate your effort helping to resolve these edit disputes. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

FormalDude All good then, could you pls indicate on top of this DRN that the issue is sloved and interested editor could closed this discussion. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

TKO (leg injury) on fight method and "due to doctor stoppage" in the note section. Is not what has happened.NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Corrected the article. See diff. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Gsfelipe94 here as they are continually removing the doctor's stoppage from the notes section, against the consensus of this discussion. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 02:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Such format is never used in other articles. It would make way more sense to have it alltogether as TKO (doctor stoppage due to leg injury) instead of this format. Not to mention that having "Doctor stoppage due to injury. Broken leg" looks "broken" (no pun intended). Another option would be to have it as "Doctor stoppage to to leg injury (or broken leg)", even though for the sake of style and better display, having it all on the method section would be better. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 02:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Completely agree with Gsfelipe94, especially since MMA Wikiproject guidelines state that the result/method should be based on the source from the body of the article when available over Sherdog. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 02:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

• Important comment: Even if we were to ignore @Bastun's valid points about Sherdog not being the only source that meets WP:RS, the MMA wikiproject guidelines that both @NEDOCHAN and @Cassiopeia favor states "In the column Method, unless sources within the body text of the article state otherwise, always use the result that is available in a fighter's record at Sherdog Fight Finder." Well, section '2021' of Conor McGregor (body text of the article) states the result as a doctor's stoppage with two verifying sources, while Sherdog does not mention a doctor's stoppage. That means as the article stands, it has a contradictory statement, because the Sherdog result is listed under the 'Mixed martial arts record' section. According to the MMA guidelines that we JUST agreed to for UFC 264, the Mixed martial arts record section should reflect the result as per the body text, NOT Sherdog. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Happy to wait for further comment from CassNEDOCHAN (talk) 12:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

And presumably other people who aren't members of the MMA wikiproject? That's kinda the point of dispute resolution. New, uninvolved voices. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:38, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN: Cassiopeia is the one who agreed to change UFC 264 for the same reason. I seriously doubt they're going to change their mind and say that reason is no longer valid for UFC 257. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• Hello people

i hope you finish this discussion because believe it or not,there are already a lot of regular people or casual fans on social media who may visit the conor mcgregor’s page who don’t understand wikipedia and don’t know what disputed on wikipedia mean,you can see it if you don’t even have an account on wikipedia,they will probably think it means a disbuted result about the fight itself since there was a controversy from some mcgregor’s fans who didn’t like the way the fight ended (which is absurd of course since hundreads of combat sports fights got stopped by doctors before) i just hope you end the debate by today,let’s give dustin poirier his dues. Andrewnageh123 (talk) 05:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The wording is wrong. This is a listed result. No source has the method as here. NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Gsfelipe94, Cassiopeia, LuK3, and RafaelHP: At the moment, the wording for the method is not using official wording. It needs either to say TKO (leg injury) or TKO (doctor's stoppage). Currently, the method is more like a note than a formal method. It used to say TKO (leg injury) as it does in Sherdog. It was being discussed but for some reason it's gone back. In my view, we should simply stick to the source. What do you think? NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Both listed results for UFC 257 and UFC 264 should not be based on the Sherdog source, they should be based on the sources already within the body text of the article:

Citation [124] Actual quote from source: "Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor via second-round TKO (punches)"

Citation [127] Actual quote from source: "Official Result: Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor by TKO (doctor’s stoppage), Round 1, 5:00"

Citation [128] Actual quote from source: "The official result was Poirier by TKO (doctor's stoppage) at 5:00 of the first round."

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 08:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The words you have put in bold caps do not correspond to what's in the method column.NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The article currently lists UFC 257 result as "TKO (punches)" and UFC 264 result as "TKO (Doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)". That leaves four words that don't correspond. What's the issue with including the reason for the doctor's stoppage? There's no disputing that the doctor stoppage was due to his leg injury. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 08:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The issue is that not a single source lists the official method as we have. So pick an official method and stick to it.NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:54, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Actually both of the sources list the official method as we have it. As I said, there's absolutely no dispute that the doctor's stoppage was due to a leg injury. The sources clearly state that. Have you read the sources? ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 08:55, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Have you? The sources say "TKO (Doctor's stoppage) or "TKO (injury) or "TKO ( leg injury). No source has the official method as we have because....it's not the way official methods are recorded. The reason you're struggling to find a source that lists it as here (and by the way it should reflect consensus, which it doesn't) is that none of them does. Your own capitals don't correspond to what's written. As you say, 'four words don't correspond'.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The sources not saying verbatim "TKO (Doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)" does not mean they do not go on to say, multiple times, that the match was stopped because of McGregor's leg injury. E.I. the result of the match is a TKO Doctor's stoppage due to leg injury. At the very least it should be listed in the notes column. But I see no reason not to list it in the result column. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 09:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree that it should be in the notes column. But the method of victory should correspond verbatim to how it's recorded in the source. The reason it shouldn't be in the method column is that it's not a formal way of listing a result.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if my opinion has any value but I personally think it should be listed as "TKO (doctor stoppage)". Whenever I scroll across pages that's what the result always is even if the stoppage was a result of an injury. Take Jimmy Crute's loss to Anthony Smith for example; the result is listed as a doctor stoppage even though it was due to a leg injury. RafaelHP (talk) 10:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I would be happy with that. The method has to correspond with a formal description as sourced. At the moment it's a paraphrase, which isn't OK.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Why isn't it ok? Is it not more important to have more information available in the Method column? We already know that sherdog can't be declared the One True Source, so if other multiple reliable sources say "TKO (doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)" when the reason the fight was stopped was a doctor intervened due to an injury to McGregor's leg, then we are providing more relevant information to our readers in an easily accessible table. We write for our readers, after all. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN: "Not the formal way of listing a result"–according to who? It is the formal way of listing a result as per WP:WP MMA. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

According to the commission that sanctions the fight. Again, no source lists method of victory as written currently. It's not a summary, it's a method of victory. You can't make up your own format in your own wording. So choose a source and replicate the method verbatim. NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

'multiple reliable sources say "TKO (doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)'? No...NONE OF THEM DOES. Not one. Zilch. Zero. That is Bastun's summary. It literally says that nowhere.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:54, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

What do you consider "Poirier claimed the final chapter on a doctor's decision when McGregor could not continue after injuring his leg" to mean if not "TKO (doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)"? Via Washington Post.

A method of victory is no more than a description of how the fight was won. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

No it isn't. It's a format used by commissions. It isn't a description of how the fight was won. It's a record. Again, why won't you simply record the method verbatim as sourced? Why?NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Doubt this is a relevant point but to me this argument seems to be based off the fact of how famous Conor McGregor is, if it was any other fighter the result would just be "TKO (doctor's stoppage)" and nobody would bat an eye. RafaelHP (talk) 11:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

As I said before I am fine with keeping it verbatim, I just don't think it is beneficial to do so. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN, FormalDude, RafaelHP, and Bastun: Good day, There are a specific ways in calling/recording mma fight methods as it is like every sport, they have certain way of define/address/call certain actions/goals/faults and etc. In mma, there are 3 major mma databases in the world and the biggest by far is Sherdog. Sherdog is a reliable source and they are independent from any promoters in the world and not like ESPN, they are in partnership with UFC as the broadcaster which makes ESPN not independent and that is the reason why Wikipedia MMA project use Sherdog as the guidelines. Other major sources news report all sports but they are news agency; but Sherdog or MMA have their own very specific calling fight methods just like every combat sport - in the issue at hand, it would either "TKO (Doctor's stoppage) or "TKO (leg injury). You can go and check on all the mma debases and all the 1.4 K mma fighter pages in Wikipedia. Any extra info of the fight on the night can be added on the note section such as "Performance of the Night", "Defended Lightweight Championship", "Overturned by NSCA" etc. To put "TKO (doctor's stoppage due to leg injury)" is just like in soccer put the scored of a penalty shootout as "Goal assisted by goalie's hand" - you dont see that ever in the result table but in the body text or in track and field 100 meter result would be just the time is recorded but not "10'98 touched on knee first" - . There are conflicting fight methods from different sources and that is the reason why MMA project use Sherdog as the guidelines fight record to reduce all the conflict, edit warring and augments. The details of the fights are recorded in the body texts if it is significant enough which this case is and not in the fight method in the fight table. For example, regardless a fighter tapped or was choke out or stopped by referee, in the fight method it will be called triangle choke/rear-naked choke/ezekiel choke/Von Flue choke/etc (depending which choke the winner performed) but we dont put fight method as submission (rear-naked choke stopped by referee) for the fight table is a brief summary and the detail content is in the body text. I would suggest a compromise instead washing so much energy and time to argue and debate the issue at hand. Could we agree to put "TKO ( leg injury) and add "due to doctor stoppage" in the note section. Let me know if you guys would agree to the suggestion. Stay safe. Cassiopeia^(talk) 11:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Cassiopeia - never change. Thank you. This is what I have been trying to say. NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

• 'Could we agree to put "TKO ( leg injury) and add "due to doctor stoppage" in the note section.' This was the last consensus and that should've been that. The only person objecting is Bastun, who I hope will read the above.NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Per the following sources, it should be "TKO (doctor stoppage)". We can add the leg injury information in the notes.

Citation [127] Actual quote from source: "Official Result: Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor by TKO (doctor’s stoppage), Round 1, 5:00"

Citation [128] Actual quote from source: "The official result was Poirier by TKO (doctor's stoppage) at 5:00 of the first round."

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN, FormalDude, RafaelHP, and Bastun: Guys, can we keep the discussion in one place instead of spread into different message title. Keep the discussion here pls. Cassiopeia^(talk) 11:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Yeah my bad. I'm fine with TKO (leg injury) but where does that leave, the TKO (punches) result in the 2nd Poirier fight? Sherdog has it listed as KO (punches) so shouldn't it be that? RafaelHP (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

So what you're proposing is that we don't record the correct official result, which is 'doctor's stoppage', and instead use 'leg injury', which was not the official cause of the stoppage. No. Why would we do that?! It makes literally no sense. No objection to listing the method as 'doctor's stoppage', sourced to ESPN. On the rest of what you're saying, Cassiopeia, if you're suggesting sherdog can be the only source used, no, absolutely not. This has been ruled on already, in an RfC, and the arguments used in that RfC remain in place. A Wikiproject's guidelines, which it doesn't itself apply uniformly, does not trump community consensus or WIkipedia policy. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@RafaelHP: We follow the source from the body text of the article rather than Sherdog. So it would be TKO (punches).

Citation [124] Actual quote from source: "Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor via second-round TKO (punches)"

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Alrighty thanks for the confirmation. RafaelHP (talk) 11:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN, FormalDude, RafaelHP, and Bastun: Bastun, pls read my message again. I was explaining every sport has their own ways of calling/addressing certain actions/results/etc and was suggesting would we have an agreement. I am here to try to have a civil discussion and hope everyone could agree to certain suggestion. There are many sources indicated different fight methods, the body text source is just one of them. If we change/use different source in the body text then the fight method would change. I hope could we just agree with a fight method and saving everyone energy and time to continue discussing this issue at hand. I will come back tmr to check what have been discussed as I need to wake up before 5am to go for a run before the day break since we are in lockdown. Good night Gentlemen and stay safe. Cassiopeia^(talk) 12:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The point of prioritizing sources from the body text over Sherdog is so that the reader does not see one outcome for the fight, and then, further down the page, sees a different outcome for the very same fight. Given that a majority of sources (including those not listed in the article) all say TKO due to doctor's stoppage, I think that is what should go in the method column. Have a nice night Cassiopeia! ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I get that. If the Method column is for the official fight result only, rather than being more descriptive, then in this case, it's as described by ESPN - "doctor's stoppage" - and not "leg injury". Which is the problem that arises when someone tries to impose one source only. Hope you enjoyed the run! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

CBS lists it as TKO (injury). The problem is making up official fight results. Which is what you did.NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:33, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

It's not made up. It's literally verbatim what the sources already in the article currently state:

-Citation [127] "Official Result: Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor by TKO (doctor’s stoppage), Round 1, 5:00"

-Citation [128] "The official result was Poirier by TKO (doctor's stoppage) at 5:00 of the first round."

Add to that, it is also the official method per the UFC:

-UFC 1, 2 "Dustin Poirier def. Conor McGregor via TKO (Doctor stoppage) at 5:00 of round one."

So your one CBS source stating "TKO (Injury)" has little baring. If it must be included, the logical way to accurately summarize all the sources would be TKO (doctor's stoppage due to injury). But if you must choose one or the other, the sole CBS source is clearly the outlier. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 15:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Cass has explained in detail why you're wrong about this.NEDOCHAN (talk) 15:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

No, @Cassiopeia said "in the issue at hand, it would either [be] 'TKO (Doctor's stoppage)' or 'TKO (leg injury)'. " I think four sources (two of which are used in the body text of the article) outweighs the one CBS source (that's not used in the article) and Sherdog. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 16:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

TKO (doctor's stoppage due to a leg injury) sounds excessive, plus it is technically a made up result that's never been used on any other page. RafaelHP (talk) 16:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

You could also combine the sources as "TKO (Doctor stoppage/Injury)". ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 16:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN, FormalDude, RafaelHP, and Bastun: I did enjoy my run, Man! it was a little cold, running in the winter at 4:45am. Bastun, again, ESPN is not an independent source for it is related/associated with UFC as the broadcaster (ESPN is partnered with UFC for 7 years). Secondly FormalDude, as explained no doctor stoppage/injury or injury due to doctor stoppage. We will go by either "TKO (doctor stoppage) or TKO (leg injury). See below, I gather most known mma media sources around the world which I could find and few newspapers. (Note: NO ESPN or UFC sources included here as they are not independent since this is a UFC event).

Souces	method (doctor stoppage)	Ref.	Sources	method (leg injury)	Ref.
Lowkick MMA (Ireland)	TKO (doctor stoppage)		Hindustan Times (India)	TKO (leg injury)
cbssports (US)	TKO (doctor stoppage)		mmamania (US)	TKO (leg injury)
foxsport (US)	TKO (doctor stoppage)		independent (UK)	TKO (leg injury)
bt (England)	TKO (doctor stoppage)		mmajunkie (US)	TKO (leg injury)
Cageside Press (US)	TKO (doctor stoppage)		mmadna (The Netherlands)	TKO (leg injury)
ABC News (Australia)	TKO (doctor stoppage)		Sherdog (US)	TKO (leg injury)
globo / Combat (Brazil)	TKO (medical interruption)		Tapology (US)	TKO (ankle injury)

So, as you can see about same amount of sources indicated 2 different fight method. UFC 257 as most sources indicate TKO for I did agreed to changed from KO to TKO, but for UFC 264 is not the case and when 2 different method are cited but about the same amount of sources. To me to used "leg injury" on fight method and "due to doctor stoppage" on notes would be the best compromise solution. I really hope we could have an agreement here gentlemen. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN, FormalDude, RafaelHP, and Cassiopeia: I believe I'm correct in thinking that nobody at this stage - bar, perhaps, NEDOCHAN? - actually objects to using the official outcome, i.e., "TKO (doctor's stoppage)"? I therefore propose we just go with that, then, and reference it to ESPN, thereby putting this to bed. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bastun: Again, ESPN is not an independent source for UFC event and we cant use ESPN source here, and I would prefer to use "TKO (leg injury) as there are sources to support it (see the table above) same as Sherdog and Sherdog is the preference source to use by Wikipedia MMA guidelines. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

It sounds like @Cassiopeia favors "TKO (leg injury)" with "Due to doctor stoppage" in the notes over "TKO (doctor's stoppage)". Personally I think "TKO (doctor stoppage)" with "Due to leg injury" in the notes is better, for one reason: Leg injury with 'due to doctor's stoppage' is confusing, as the doctor's stoppage did not cause the leg injury. But Doctor stoppage with 'due to leg injury' implies the leg injury caused the doctor's stoppage. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I should also mention that the sources and text in the body of the article correspond to "TKO (doctor's stoppage)" so that is another (probably more important) reason to include it over "TKO (leg injury)". ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

The body text source can be changed for it is not fixed for it depends which source we use (pls guy re-read my message). We could put "TKO (leg injury)" on fight method and nothing on notes as this is the norm in the fight table (welcome to check all 1.5 mma fighter pages in Wikipedia). I thought is when about the same amount of source indicated 2 different fight method, then the one used by Wikipedia MMA guidelines source (Sherdog) should be used. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Cassiopeia, glad you enjoyed the run. ESPN is absolutely a reliable source that can be used for MMA fights, regardless of any partnership with UFC. Sherdog is far more dodgy, in fact - see its entry Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, where it explicitly states it's not as reliable as... ESPN. Case in point: this one, where it gets the outcome wrong. Bear in mind, a lot of the outlets you list above are tertiary sources. I would be quite amazed if The Hindustan Times or Lowkick had reporter's present, given, not least, COVID travel restrictions, and they are actually reporting either what a different outlet said; or what they saw on the night prior to the official method being announced. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

To expand on the ESPN issue somewhat, saying it can't be used because of a partnership is like saying Hansard can't be used as a source for UK parliamentary debates because it's not independent! I am also going to point (again) to [[1]]. Please read the outcome there. To summarise: Sherdog's usability derives in part from its own relationship with ESPN; and Sherdog is not as reliable as ESPN! If we can't use ESPN because of its relationship with UFC, then we can't use Sherdog because of its relationship with ESPN... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

And it dosn't matter that the body text and sources can change, as they're given precedent over the otherwise standard use of Sherdog. To be honest I don't see the body text changing anyways, it's very straightforward. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm fine with either TKO (doctor's stoppage) or TKO (leg injury), but I lean more towards doctor stoppage since yknow, the fight was stopped by the doctor. RafaelHP (talk) 10:57, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bastun and FormalDude: Bastun, I have said and will say again ESPN is a reliable source but in this case it is not independent. Sherdog is reliable and independent. As long as sources are reliable and independent than they can be used. ESPN has their own report now in mma, thus they can not be used for they are not independent. The used Sherdog info and source back then when they was not partner with UFC. Sherdog is the source to use based on Wikipedia MMA guidelines. If most source that different thn Sherdog as in UFC 257, then I would agreed to use other sources, but UFC 264 is not the case (I am repeating myself as I am not sure you read my message). FormalDude, what I meant the text and the source can be changed if we agree on leg injury in body text since about the same souces indicated 2 different fight method. For such my reason is to keep Sherdog as it is the MMA guidelines. I have propose a compromised solution, as for usual it should not info of notes section just as in Soccer if a goal is score, it would state in the match table, how it was score or a red/yellow is issued it just state the flag colour next to the player and not explanation on the table, this is same as in Rugby League/Union of minutes of Sin bin or Blood bin is recorded but no explanation of reasons. We are going by sport convention and not by how we feel individually, we all here edit Wikipedia as Wikipedian and not as a fan of the sport. Stay safe everyone. Cassiopeia^(talk) 04:29, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

How can Sherdog be independent when its content is based off its relationship with the non-independent ESPN? ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 13:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Also feeling I'm repeating myself: WP:MMA can decide that the only reliable source for MMA is ESPN, or Sherdog, or The Beano, or the Library of Congress, but that still does not trump actual Wikipedia policy, which allows us to use any reliable source. And ESPN is a more reliable source, generally, than sherdog. As evidenced in the RfC, here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_318. Cassiopeia, if you feel ESPN is not a reliable source for UFC MMA fights, then by all means open a discussion at WP:RS/N (please ping us if/when you do so.) Absent that, can we please put that issue to bed?

The case remains that the official result of UFC 264 is a TKO due to doctor's stoppage. I'm happy for what we have now to remain, but NEDOCHAN is insisting that the only thing that can be listed is the official result- doctor's stoppage. He's been quite adamant about it. I'm also happy to include "TKO (doctor's stoppage)". FormalDude and RafaelHP are also happy with the latter. Unless there are any further objections, or a discussion on ESPN is started on WP:RS/N, I'll change it to that tomorrow, unless someone else beats me to it. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Good points were made about not listing "doctor stoppage due to leg injury" as the method. But better points have been about why to include "TKO (doctor stoppage)" instead of "TKO (leg injury)". I'm not sure this counts as a consensus, but we are at least on the verge of one. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 01:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Right, done. When in doubt, stick to policy. We have something approaching consensus, I think. We can't have both the actual, official result ("TKO - doctor's stoppage"), and sherdog as a source for this entry. WP:V and RP:RS are both satisfied using ESPN, and we have the official result. Let's hope it lasts... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 09:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN, FormalDude, RafaelHP, and Bastun: FormalDude, Sherdog is reliable and independent from UFC. ESPN is reliable but not independent from UFC as the are partners. Sherdog has been the mma fighter database and also provide content since early 2000's. ESPN didnt had not have any content of MMA themselves and buy the content from Sherdog. Now they (ESPN) have their own mma reporters and also partnership with UFC. Batsun, Discussion is not yet closed. (1) Discussion usually would like at least 7 days and it is only 4 days since the discussion started in this page. (2) You need to give editors time to respond as editors live in different time zones (3) Not every editor is so free that they will edit everyday in the same time as they have to work and other personal commitment. To force such an action is not reasonable. (4) I belive you have not read what I have written, not only this discussion but also the past discussion you have involved int. I didnt say ESPN is not reliable, I said ESPN is not independent from the subject (UFC) as they are partners. PLEASE, in discussion, you need to read and understand what other editors said, if not , then there is not point to join the discussion. FormalDude, when there is a dispute, the closing need to be closed by editor who are not involved in the discussion, unless all the involved editors are consensus to the resolution. So none of us who involved here can close the discussion. Pls wait until past 7 day (discussion open on July 14 so someone can closed the discussion 20 July, 2021). If other editors join the discussion and the discussion still going on by the time of the closing date, then the discussion will go on for another 7 days. Please wait until the discussion is closed by uninvolved editor and I will respect the result. Pls wait. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 10:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

It's my understanding that we already reached a consensus with no disagreement on UFC 257's method being listed as "TKO (punches)". I thought we were only debating whether to use "TKO (doctor stoppage)" or "TKO (leg injury)" for UFC 264. I also do not believe a consensus has been reached and encourage the discussion to remain open for a minimum of seven days. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, c'mon, Cassiopeia - if you've read my responses, you'll know that I have indeed read yours and you'll have seen what I've already said about your concerns on using ESPN as a source. If you're really that concerned about use of ESPN, you'll also have seen the remedy I suggested. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I have certainly fully read and re-read your messages. Sherdog cannot be independent (and therefore WP:RS) if ESPN is not indepedent of the UFC, because Sherdog's content is based on a relationship it has with ESPN. Where have you addressed this? ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC) ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude and Bastun: Batsun, concern is one thing, but to repeat is to make sure editor get the information right. FormalDude, Sherdog has not relationship with ESPN as ESPN not longer buy content from Sherdog. Sherdog has also has no relationship with UFC ever. So Sherdog is independent, and reliable source but ESPN is in partnership with UFC, so ESPN is reliable but not independent. independent means independent from the subject and the subject here is UFC. Sources need to be independent and reliable. I have explained many times, and I hope this will be the last time. I agree on UFC 257 but I am not sure NEDOCHAN has agreed. I have explained my the reason of my agreement with Nedochan, but he did not state his agreement or disagreement (he didnt say anything after my explanation/agreement with both of you). Gentlemen, pls be patient, the discussion will be closed, but please allow other editors to voice, if any, for that is the procedures in discussion talk page. we have to wait for only another 3 days (the discussion can be closed on July 21, 2021), if there is no other editors join in the discussion. Be patient gentlemen. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 11:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you're seeing that they no longer have a partnership with ESPN. Either way, the consensus reached earlier this year at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 318#Sherdog.com was that the source should be used with caution, on a case-by-case basis. A majority of editors considered the source "Reliable, in the absence of generally reliable sources." In this case we have more reliable sources besides Sherdog that are independent. The most reliable sources list the method as TKO (doctor stoppage):

Ref.	Sources	Method	Reliability
	Lowkick MMA (Ireland)	TKO (doctor stoppage)	N/A
	cbssports (US)	TKO (doctor stoppage)	Reliable per consensus.
	foxsport (US)	TKO (doctor stoppage)	Reliable per WP:FOXNEWS.
	bt (England)	TKO (doctor stoppage)	Reliable per consensus.
	Cageside Press (US)	TKO (doctor stoppage)	N/A
	ABC News (Australia)	TKO (doctor stoppage)	There is consensus that ABC News is generally reliable.
	globo / Combat (Brazil)	TKO (medical interruption)	N/A
	Hindustan Times (India)	TKO (leg injury)	Not reliable per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_284#Hindustan_Times_mirroring_WP
	mmamania (US)	TKO (leg injury)	Not reliable per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_141.
	independent (UK)	TKO (leg injury)	No, only reliable in non-specialty information.
	mmajunkie (US)	TKO (leg injury)	No consensus per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_141#mmajunkie
	mmadna (The Netherlands)	TKO (leg injury)	N/A
	Sherdog (US)	TKO (leg injury)	Only when other generally reliable sources are not present per RSN.
	Tapology	TKO (ankle injury)	Unreliable per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_316#Tapology

––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I've no problem waiting. I assumed we had reached consensus, or close enough to consensus, at 5:0 or even 4:1 - hence why I made the edit. To claim that ESPN can't be used, as it's not independent, is to misconstrue WP:RS. Extraordinary claims need exceptional sourcing. A matter of established fact, as reported by a WP:NEWSORG? Really, not so much. If you feel using ESPN breaches some part of WP:V or WP:RS, please point to the section that is being breached. And/or open a discussion at WP:RS/N and ping us. Otherwise, please accept that ESPN is a reliable source that can be used in this article and other MMA articles. But before you do, please note nobody else has ever questioned ESPN's bona fides, because sometimes WP:SKYISBLUE, y'know? (And of course we can use any of the other RS listed by FormalDude, above, too!) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I have explained and explained and Batsun, I dont think you care to read or understand as of most of your discussions. You should know by now the person who involed in the discussion of RS Sherdog was a Sock and causing so much disruptions and was banned indef. Besides ESPN, there are plenty of independent reliable sources to be used. Thank you for providing the sources FormalDude and info above and I change my initial view and support TKO (doctor stoppage). However, pls wait for uninvolved editor to close the discussion as we do not have consensus resolution yet, unless Nedochan changes his mind. Until then, pls wait. Have a good weekend and stay safe gentlemen. Cassiopeia^(talk) 06:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

1) I have read and understood your arguments, Cassiopeia. Please WP:AGF and give me some credit. Unless presented with a giant wall of text, I will always fully read contributions. I don't agree with your claim that ESPN isn't independent enough; there's a difference. 2) What? The person who started the RfC was a sock, yes. They were blocked. So, I see now, was one of their socks. Not counting the last IP contributor there, or the socks, there were still 15 contributors to that RfC! It stands, until such time as there's another RfC. 3) NEDOCHAN has already stated they want the verbatim result included, i.e., "TKO (doctor's stoppage)", so that's now 5:0, full consensus. Why delay? Genuinely puzzled. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Cassiopeia: Until someone provides an argument for the inclusion of "TKO (doctor stoppage due leg injury)" that should not be in the article. I've again changed it to "TKO (doctor stoppage)". ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 12:22, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@FormalDude: Yes, as majority agreed on UFC 264 TKO (doctor stoppage) and UFC 257 "TKO (punches). Batsun, sources need to be both independent and reliable. A source is independent and reliable to one situation might not be independent in another. Same as a source is independent and reliable one situation might be independent but not reliable in another. (I suggest you to read again as it might be a little bit confusion). Example: If the independent, reliable source (IRS) have connection/partnership/association with a subject then the IRS becomes reliable but not independent but if the same source have other content which have not relationship with other subject then it can be used as IRS. Anything have connection or interview article from the subject or the subject's manager, trainer, partner whoever associated with the subject, it also apply to press releases, company brochure, products info/promotion info, letters, memo and etc are not independent as they have association with the subject. So ESPN source can be used in Rugby Union Rugby league and many other sports as they have not association with the organizations of Rugby in Union or League. Similarly, an IRS could be not reliable (example: Guardian newspapers) if the article in the newspapers is provided by other party and the party is considered not reliable even thought Guardians newspaper published on their newspaper (Guardians buy from third party) which stated in the article where the information is obtain from, then Guardians would be considered independent but not reliable to certain subject. The person who started the RfC also was blocked from discussing the talk page use to destructive editing, refused to listen and just attacked the editors in every bit of information provided which made discussion impossible then was blocked later as sock when they was not allowed to discuss in the RfC. Discussion is for parties to understand each other and willing to listen and not sticking to their own agenda and ague to death until the cow come home and still stick to one idea without willing to read or understand other editors/guidelines. We are here to collobrate and not fighting. We edit as a Wikipedian but not as a fan of certain sport or certain fighter/subject as this is Wikipedia. If you still dont understand then I have nothing more to add. Stay safe Batsun. Best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 03:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I understand the argument you're making, Cassiopeia - I just think you're misinterpreting policy. Are you aware of WP:NEWSORG and WP:CONTEXTMATTERS and even WP:RSSELF? Basically, context matters. If ESPN report that UFC is the biggest sport in the world, or the biggest MMA franchise in the world, or similar, then yes, you'd need independent third-party sourcing to include it here. If ESPN says a Poirier beat McGregor, or that the fight was ended by doctor's stoppage, then yes, we can absolutely use them as a reference. If you still dont understand then I have nothing more to add - so maybe we keep any further discussion on that to our respective talk pages? Cheers, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 08:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Context is different from IRS. IRS always comes first and it is the Wikipedia core policy. If the source is not both IRS then what ever in the content of the article from the source cant be used. If not I would not be agreed to change my initial suggestion to that of FormalDude's after he provided the info on the latest source table. I think this discussion has gone long enough and we just need uninvolved editor to close this discussion. You have a good day and stay safe always. Good night. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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Fully protected for 48 hours

This page has been fully protected for 48 hours for the reasons described here [2]. If anyone finds this protection objectionable or onerous, please let me know and I'll lift it. Chetsford (talk) 08:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

A better advert for WikiProjects there has never been. FormalDude and Bastun have waded in, ridden roughshod over a process, causes a massive kerfuffle and now the article is locked. Congratulations.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Give it a break, pal. It's only 48 hours. Your block from the page is still gonna be in place when it expires. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 09:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Never happened before you came.NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, next time I'll try not to understand your own WikiProject's guidelines better than you. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 10:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Please knock it off, NEDOCHAN, this isn't becoming at all. I really don't want to have to go to AN/I. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

You've wasted so much time already, why stop now?NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

You're the only one here wasting people's time, NEDOCHAN. This dispute is over four words that match the source via direct paraphrasing rather than verbatim as you're, for some reason, insistent upon. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

See Cassiopeia comments for the 'some reason'. NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Change the results back to the Sherdog listed ones.

I understand whether Sherdog should be the official "one true source" (if you wish) is up for debate. As it stands now Sherdog results are the official ones and I think they should be changed back to match the Sherdog record. RafaelHP (talk) 11:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

So do I. At the moment we have a made up method of victory that no commission would ever use. And this whole process started when an editor changed what was sourced to their own version based on their reading of a source. If we stick to the source we use, none of these disputes happens.NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Actually that's not how it stands now. There is one exception to Sherdog being the official results, and that is:

1. If sources within the body text of the article contradict Sherdog

This is according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. In this case, there are multiple sources already present in the body text of the article that directly contradict Sherdog. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

As it stands now it says TKO (doctor's stoppage due to leg injury). That is not an official method of victory listed anywhere. There are three options I can see. 1. TKO (leg injury) - Sherdog 2. TKO (injury) - CBS 3. TKO (doctor's stoppage) ESPN. There are your options. I suggest 1. NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Removing "due to a leg injury" from the result doesnt contradict anything in my opinion, both state that it was a doctor stoppage, if you wanna read why it was stopped you can just read the 2021 section detailing how the fight went. RafaelHP (talk) 11:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Sherdog being the only source is not up for debate. Sherdog can never be the only source used, as outlined eloquently by multiple users at the RfC linked in several places above. It just can't be, per multiple Wikipedia policies. That's not happening. I've no objection to TKO (doctor stoppage) being listed as the result, but can we confine discussion on that topic to the section already discussing that. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:33, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Well what about the TKO (punches) its listed on Sherdog as KO (punches) RafaelHP (talk) 11:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The contradiction is that Sherdog lists the source as TKO (leg injury) while the sources in the body list it as TKO (Doctor's stoppage). I think it's fine to list the latter in the method column. @Cassiopeia was able to explain why it doesn't make sense to list the entirety Doctor's stoppage due to leg injury. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 11:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

'it doesn't make sense to list the entirety Doctor's stoppage due to leg injury.' Hallelujah. NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 July 2021

1) Under Conor mcgregor’s mixed martial arts record, it reads on his most recent loss as “TKO (Doctor’s stoppage due to leg injury)”. Since the fight was waved off before the doctor arrived to inspect the injury, it should read, “TKO (leg injury)”. That shows a referee stoppage..which is what actually happened

2) under Conor Mcgregor’s professional mixed martial arts career, the last paragraph ends with, “McGregor lost the fight in round one via doctor stoppage after breaking his tibia, and was unable to continue.” This is incorrect due to the fact that the referee called the fight off prior to the doctor entering the ring. So it should read, “ McGregor lost the fight in round one via TKO when referee Herb Dean saw Conor’s leg was badly injured, whereas he could not continue. The ringside doctor evaluated the injury as a broken leg, later determined to be a broken tibia.” 69.242.95.80 (talk) 02:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

Please see the ongoing discussion above about essentially the same thing. The changes you're requesting are not verified by any of the sources. ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 03:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

You're wrong actually, Herb Dean only called off the fight after the doctor inspected it, just rewatched. RafaelHP (talk) 15:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Should he be listed as a businessman and boxer?

I think his whiskey venture makes him a businessman and his fight against Mayweather makes him a boxer.NEDOCHAN (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes his whisky definetly makes him a business man, the way he promotes it etc also he has a clhting brand he promotes a lot called August mcgregor. Sean Pol Gartland (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

And also yes because he has fought a professional bout with 'Floyd Mayweather' which does make him a professional boxer as well as a professional mixed martial artist. Sean Pol Gartland (talk) 21:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Connor Mcgregor, mixed martial artist. boxer? businessman?

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Unanimous consensus has emerged for A: just "Irish mixed martial artist". Arguments were that he was not notable as a boxer or businessman. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 16:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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How do you think the opening sentence of the article should be to articulate Conner Mcgregors career notable fame.

• A Connor Mcgregor an Irish mixed martial artist
• B Connor Mcgregor an Irish mixed martial artist, boxer, and businessman.

ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 07:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Vote [and discussion optional]

• A: It is simple. He is not notable as a boxer or a businessman and there are no sources that would describe him in such way. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 07:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• A B (modified): "Businessman" or "entrepreneur" should be included as his whiskey brand is certainly legitimate, among other ventures. Boxer, I'm not so sure about, as it seems to fall more into the "celebrity boxing" camp. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Pyrrho the Skeptic: Calling celebrities with post-fame business ventures entrepreneur/businessmen to lead the article is about as legitimate as calling celebrities philanthropist because they've made many generous donations. Sure he is certainly a businessman to some small extent, but the overwhelming majority of the article is written around his MMA career. There is minuscule section for his "businessman" career. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 19:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  Okay, I've given this some extra thought and looked extra close at WP:FIRSTBIO, and changed my vote. The whiskey coverage in the body may not be "substantial" nor is it mentioned elsewhere in the lead. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• A B: Businessman should be included because of his whiskey brand and boxer fits because he has competed in a professional boxing match against Floyd Mayweather. Rexh17 (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Rexh17: So you believe that his one-off professional boxing match is adequate reason to consider "boxer" a headline career? There is not a single source on the internet that can support this "boxer" claim. Moreover nearly every celebrity in the world has some sort of post-fame business venture. Donald Trump is an example of a proper businessman celebrity, not Conor Mcgregor. Without his MMA career this article would be two paragraphs long. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 19:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

  @ChicagoWikiEditor, yea you are right. My logic was since the term "boxer" was in Logan Paul's headline, the same logic would also apply here and the term "businessman/businesswoman" was at some point in most celebrity's articles but in both cases that has changed I'm guessing for that very reason. Rexh17 (talk) 22:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

• A: Per MOS:ROLEBIO; he's notable for being a mixed martial artist and the overwhelming majority of reliable sources describe him as such. His foray into boxing is mentioned in the third paragraph of the lead, which I think is sufficient. A brief summary of his whiskey gig could always be added at the end of that paragraph. – ².O.^Boxing 20:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• A - Principally notable as an MMA fighter. His foray into boxing was highly-publicized, sure, but it was also hardly definitory for his career. And his whiskey business (no a Tom Cruise pun), is mostly a trapping of his fame as a MMA fighter. PraiseVivec (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• A - no contest, and per ROLEBIO and others, MMA is the (sole) notable career focus, and all other activity is both highly secondary, and derivative. This may seem different looking back from 2040 or so, but right now, neither a one-match boxing PPV-special, nor a still early whiskey venture (or any of his other business ventures), come close to lede-entry material (I agree that the whiskey business rates a brief end-of-lede mention). SeoR (talk) 17:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• A - per SeoR, MOS:ROLEBIO and others, his notoriety - sorry, notability! - derives almost entirely from his MMA activities. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
• A per above. ~ HAL333 23:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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the controversies on facchinetti

Facchinetti already sued McGregor, it can be found all over Italian news Leofratta31102 (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Conor McGregor vs Dustin Poirier 2 should be listed as a KO via punches.

According to WP:MMA guidlines, we take from Sherdog official results.

https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Conor-McGregor-29688 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozeuce (talk • contribs) 13:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

"In the column Method, do not use your personal interpretation of a fight result in the record. Using a reliable source is important. The official website or Sherdog may be useful." Is the section for fight results, we use Sherdog as a placeholder and we can change the result if the majority of independent reliable sources use a different one. It was established on this talk page that the majority of sources have the fight listed as TKO, not KO. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 06:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2022

add "Mystic Mac" under nicknames Alexkp88 (talk) 10:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Unimportant details

I tried to condense this section but got reverted. I feel these details are unimportant and should be condensed into the main ideas, and that if the reader wants more info, they can visit the main article. I also feel that it's important to mention how long Nurmagomedov was suspended and how much he was fined, so the reader can get an idea of how responsible each party was. –Novem Linguae (talk) 10:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

style

@NEDOCHAN:, being a PPV fighter has nothing to do the style of the fighter and a good example is Ben Askren - he was involved a boxing fight with Jake Paul but his fighting style is wrestling - pls read the style guidelines at Wikipedia Project page - [[3]]. Stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 11:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

The style parameter should only be used in MMA fighters that have participated professionally or in international competitions in other combat sports (i.e. boxing or kickboxing) and who are notable in said sports and deserve an article for their merits in these other sports.

McGregor participated professionally in the second highest selling boxing match of all time. Hence of course he would qualify as per the above. Please revert back to the status quo.NEDOCHAN (talk) 12:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

@NEDOCHAN:, First of all you should not revert the info while a discussion is still taken place. secondly PPV has nothing to do with style. Thirdly, we all know the fight against Mayweather was a show and not a competition which he has only one international fight (if you still want to count the that which means Askren and Woodley also a boxing style fighter which is ridiculous), thus he is still a mma fighter and we all know that. Cassiopeia talk 05:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Cass. I restored the stable version, which is normal when discussion is taking place. The point I am making relates to this:

deserve an article for their merits in these other sports

I would argue that even if McGregor had only fought once, the magnitude of the fight would warrant an article. NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:48, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

You cant make the same as Askren or Woodley and how would this be different for Conor. I disagree. He is a MMA fighter for which is is known to the whole world. Your point does not qualify. Pls pls note i started the discussion and you revert the edit and that is not the way to do it. Cassiopeia talk 10:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

I restored the version that's been there for more than a year. Perfectly normal. WP:QUO Askren and Woodley aren't the same. The wouldn't have an article about them as boxers. I am saying that, even if McGregor had only one fight, as it's literally the second biggest fight ever, he would have an article. I do not think that Askren and Woodley would.NEDOCHAN (talk) 10:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Again, it is not about PPV or big fight that defines the style by Wikipedia MMA guidelines and one fight does not define the fighter style and Conor has more professional MMA fights . No agreement here as it your claim/openinon does not apply here. Cassiopeia talk 05:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

It's about whether the fighter would deserve an article for their merits in other sports. I think Conor would, due to the magnitude of the Mayweather fight.NEDOCHAN (talk) 08:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Conor v Dustin 1 - Conor won, not Dustin…

Please correct this. 2600:4040:2DB5:D800:598D:91C6:A938:1539 (talk) 21:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2023

In the first line on the page Conor McGregor has his name in the Irish language indented in brackets.

The name currently stands as Conchúir Antóin Mac Greagóir but in reality the name “Antóin” does not exist in the Irish language.

The name Anthony is pronounced “Antaine” in Irish.

I have no idea who wrote the current Irish name for Conor but whoever did isn’t very skilled in the Irish language.

I’m a fluent Irish speaker since birth and live in the Connemara Gaeltacht region in the West of Galway.

I ask that his name be changed from Conchúir Antóin Mac Greagóir to read Conchúir Antaine Mac Greagóir.

I’m asking whoever is reading this to do some research if you don’t agree with my request but upon doing research you will realise that this is the proper translation of the name Anthony in Irish. 185.34.122.227 (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: the current name is supported by this source. Not to insult your knowledge of the language, Wikipedia relies on reliable sources, not wp:original research, and I cannot make this change unless you provide one to support your claims. small jars tc 22:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Antaine is one of the possible translations of Anthony; others being Antóin and Antón. See, e.g., [Antóin Ó Tuathail, or the several Antóins listed in List of All-Ireland Fleadh champions; or the additional ones included in Comórtas Peile na Gaeltachta... Need I go on? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 00:09, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Grappling Career - Wording

The wording of the sentence is not very clear:

"McGregor competed in several local Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournaments at coloured belt levels and on March 18, 2023 he signed up to compete in a brown and black belt division at Grappling Industries London."

It sounds like he signed up for the event on March 18 (in the future), rather than the event taking place on that date. I suggest changing it to something like this:

"McGregor competed in several local Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournaments at coloured belt levels. He signed up to compete in the brown and black belt division tournament on March 18, 2023 at Grappling Industries London." SManTosHa (talk) 16:25, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2023

Change the "2023" section in "Professional Mixed Martial Arts Career" to include that McGregor is planning on returning to the UFC in the Welterweight division, as both Michael Chandler and him have suggested.

Citation: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/ufc/mcgregor-chandler-welterweight-tuf-31-b2302148.html definome (talk) 04:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. This article appears to be repeating rumors and hints, and it says itself that McGregor's weight class is yet to be confirmed. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 16:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2023

Hi! I just wanted to edit Conor’s weights, he is jacked! 155 is his old fighting weight. Right now is is prob more like ~190 2600:1700:52B0:1580:B4A7:B26A:70AA:4F26 (talk) 12:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DreamRimmer (talk) 13:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2023

He has 4 children 87.192.101.191 (talk) 22:56, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2023

change Brown Belt to Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Joelrosado18 (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pinchme123 (talk) 02:15, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2023

To avoid confusion and misleading information being spread, please change the text on the controversies section regarding the 2023 Dublin Riot from "In response to stabbing of a teenager in Dublin on November 23rd 2023." to "In response to the stabbing of a woman and three children in Dublin on November 23rd 2023."

The wikipedia page on the riot itself acknowledges that the victims of the stabbing which provoked the riot was a woman and three children at Gaelscoil Choláiste Mhuire on Parnell Square East, Dublin. There is no mention of a teenage victim of a stabbing instigating the riot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Dublin_riot 82.21.78.187 (talk) 14:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done, with additional corrections. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2024

McGregor will be facing Michael Chandler June 29th 2024 in Las Vegas, this needs to be added 100.37.119.154 (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2024

Conor mcgregors height isnt 173cm its 175cm 2A06:C701:97A7:D800:595F:772B:3B1F:F197 (talk) 19:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 19:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Remanded on continuing bail

I saw a tag for technical jargon on that phrase - I updated the wiktionary entry to include a reference to details on remand in the Republic of Ireland and linked to that from here. Someone can be remanded on bail if the time in question is more than eight days and if the defendant and prosecution agree. The defendant is then released on bail but must return to court by a given date. I removed the jargon tag, but if there is more I can do to clarify it, let me know. Autarch (talk) 06:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)