Nineveh 209
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Shlama
Shlama Khon, great to see more Assyrians joining Wikipedia. I was wondering if you would be interested in starting a History of the Assyrians page? I want to begin this project, but I need some help. Chaldean 14:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
languages
Hi Nineveh! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it on my userpage in the section with all the different languages. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 13:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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Assyrian people
Hi, the vandalism actually isn't that bad in my opinion, but if things get worse please leave a note on my talk page or go to WP:RPP. Things seem to have currently settled down. Khoikhoi 03:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello
Sure thing. The Triz vandalizes a lot of pages. So when it gets too much I guess a lot of us should report the user especially if they revert more than 3 times in 24 hours. And I am not sure how you change titles of articles.--24.248.39.186 (talk) 01:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you also watch Assyrian Diaspora and Alqosh. The user keeps deleting sources. Thanks.--24.248.39.186 (talk) 01:53, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Bsheyna
Hello there. I really don't know that much east Syriac although I understood your point. I want to move the page from Assyrian people to Assyrian/Syriac people as this would end our nameconflict on wikipedia which we have had for years. It only divides us to keep pushing down one group, and favoring the other group. If we manage to move it to this name and keep it like that, we will be able to make the article even better and wider instead of fighting over the name. Aloho naterlokh --Yohanun (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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Your note
Thanks for your note, Nineveh. I'm afraid I won't be able to help, because I know nothing about the subject. But I looked at the talk page, and I see Dbachmann is there. He's a good editor and admin, and I'm certain he'll direct all the editors in the direction of the policies. Basically, just stick to what reliable sources say, and if they contradict each other, present both views, even if you disagree with them. Good luck. SlimVirgin talk|edits 16:57, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- I can not help you either with this. However, I would like to state that it is not a good idea to change your user name by simply moving it to another name. Ninevite is not a user name and when we come to your page, we fail to see the toolbox associated with a user name. Please cancel this move and make a request to change your user name before doing that. Thanks Anthere (talk) 22:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Pshena azzizi
Dr. Donny George Youkhanna - I started the article, but I don't have much time to build upon it. Allaha natorookh. Gabr-el 03:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Baseema raba Ninevite (talk) 03:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- To change back to an earlier page, just go to that version in the history tab, click on edit, save it and it should revert. :)Gabr-el 03:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Assyrian People
Vote for the change back, we need every vote. Gabr-el 23:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Azzizi, whilst Dab has made some disagreeable moves, we must not accuse him falsely or he will block users. Anyone can move an article, but it was an abuse to move it without our permission thats for sure. Gabr-el 01:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Sockpuppet
You have been accused of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Nineveh 209. Thank you. The TriZ (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- I have left you a response bigot at that pathetic article you created [[1]] , labeling people who disagree with your foolish views as sock puppets in order to eliminate all your opposition is very immature and childlish, I have no knowledge or relationship with those other users you claim i am, so really cut the crap and dont leave messages on my page anymore, you're not welcome here, spread your lies elsewhere bigot. Ninevite (talk) 22:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
- It's my duty to leave you a message, whether you like it or not. It's clearly very suspicious that the other users showed up as they did. The TriZ (talk) 03:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I showed up because i read the garbage you have been posting and decided that i should clear the trash you have been typing. Nineveh209 and myself (Aturaya) are completely different users, you are desperate to silence the truth by any means necessary, accusing us two people of being the same person is hilarious just as hilarious as the Syriac Orthodox Church being an Ethnicity, Thanks. Aturaya (talk) 14:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Is it really? How convinient the way you showed up is then. And you have already admitted you have two accounts which you used in edit-warring. The TriZ (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I showed up because i read the garbage you have been posting and decided that i should clear the trash you have been typing. Nineveh209 and myself (Aturaya) are completely different users, you are desperate to silence the truth by any means necessary, accusing us two people of being the same person is hilarious just as hilarious as the Syriac Orthodox Church being an Ethnicity, Thanks. Aturaya (talk) 14:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Please everyone stop attacking each other.Gabr-el 20:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello
User Ninevite, editting assyrian articles has taken alot of energy out of me, and I regret to inform you that I will not be assisting for the time being. With the holidays about to end after New Years Day I am not going to find the time for it. Gabr-el 20:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- Pshena khon and thank you for the award. I'd love to help you with the translation, but my reading is not good enought to translate it. A better user for that is User:334. He should be able to help you. Iraqi (talk) 16:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- Baseema raba I will contact him. Ninevite (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
January 2009
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Translation
I've translated the two pages you asked me to a few days ago. There were a lot of foreign words (probably from Persian), most of which I didn't understand so I left them untranslated. Plus I'm not a professional translator, so the translation doesn't quite "flow" as well as I'd like it to. Sorry about that (maybe Assyria 90 can fill in the gaps or make any corrections). --334a (talk) 03:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Page 1: Instruction
Now from the beginning of the work of "mashxadta" in the field of the apostleship of Urmi and the return of our Assyrian "brothers" (monks) from the U.S. in 1910 "mkhad" filled with the love of Christ, good "riza`ya", we began the holy work "mantiana lmaryooze" one "binyat mqawyanta apin dmulyese" nothingness of the workers with holy books which "xal`at" of the Holy Spirit became seen in its entirety in the Assyrian Pentecostal Holy Church of the Brothers of Urmi.
The First World War brought a temporary stop to the work of the church. From 1922 to 1926 the brothers started to return from the U.S., Russia, and other countries to the fatherland of Urmi these brothers "mi(n)dre(sh)", started on the works of apostleship with one living soul, with one "united zeal(?)" "apin" of the filled road from "yalsooy chatunwatha" time "shulleh" the church "tired(?)" a "reza" and the churches were born in the city of Urmi the "placings(?)" of "mushabad qarajlooy abadjadlooy `ada" Abdullah(?) "kande" on the River Nazlu with the village of Dizataka on the River Barandoz "wshr" "placings(?)".
One of "reza", "reza" is "lmaqrube shuwxa wshbuxe" to the Lord by way of singing in "ri`war" workers of "mashxadta" of the church always "mu(sh)chxa" "myself(?)" needed for a book of songs "busmina" in the Assyrian language. "mkhad" now there are "pirsat laxumtha" this book became "muryiza wbusmina luhdana" of the brothers and sisters who separated from us and others now with us "bchaleeshee" in the works in the fields apostleship of Iran.
(It then lists a bunch of people: their short names are Brothers Jacob, Thomas, Jan, Philip, and Samuel).
Page 2: (starts off listing a number of brothers/monks and sisters/nuns)
"Hamune" we are of this book "bid" becomes "qubla" in the love (and) joy of all the members of the church "har hada" in all the sons of our nation.
Sins
However many sins "mashachkhe" myself lacking God in the day of "Yalsooy" and "chatunutha har hada" sins forget the love of God in the day of joy and "rahatutha" ("rest[?]").
Christian [sic]
As a true Christian I "approach(?)" God with praise and prayer in the day of "Yalsooy" happy "shakrana" the Lord in the day of joy and "rahatutha" ("rest[?]").
Pentecostals
Because of the strong faith in our Lord, he is rich in Christ in all the "ihwal".
Baseema Akhonee, I will see to it the rest gets translated, Allaha barelookh Ninevite (talk) 03:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Shlama Nineveh
Shlama elookh khon, is it possible for you to notify admins or some higher-ups about the current issue dealing with [[2]], [[3]], and [[4]], and how a certain user keeps abusing his duties and keeps putting his own POV and not allowing other people to put sourced material, and defaming a consensus reached "Assyrian/Syriac" over "Assyrian" or "Syriac". The only reason I ask you to do this is because I don't know who to contact, I've commented on dab's page but he is still to respond, can you please to this for me khon. Basima Raba. Malik Danno (talk) 02:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
- If you are having problems with users constantly removing sources as you say above then the best advice I can give you is contacting the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard here [5] . I would recommend using the the talk page and warning the user with a proper warning such as the warnings listed on this users page [6]. Take note of the final warning and vandal signs used on that page; place some warnings such as those and after this if you are still having issues regarding users disturbing pages, then go to the Admin Notice Board. I hope this helps meeawkraw. Ninevite (talk) 04:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- Your most recent is good, I agree, I would like to ask you if you are interested in helping me create a new article entitled Guidelines for admission to the Eucharist between the Chaldean Church and the Assyrian Church of the East. Visit my user page for all the sources I have come up with, perhaps you can write an introduction on my talk page for the future article, so I can edit it before we create it using the sources I have provided. Ninevite (talk) 19:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes of course I can help: I'm quite slow to write because English is not my mother tongue language, but I will work on it. The refs you took are the correct ones. The matter is already detailed in Article Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari that should be also modified. I'm working in my sandbox A ntv (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem my friend if you ever need someone to edit your contributions in English, dont feel shy to ask me. I will help you to the best of my ability. If you would like construct a rough draft for the proposed article I will be happy to double check it for grammar, spelling, etc, Best Regards Ninevite (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- I've worked out something in my sandbox. I don't know if it is what you expected. I could suggest to separate the two different issues: the "Guidelines for admission to the Eucharist.." deserves an its own Article, while the "The lack of the Words of Institution in the Anaphora of Addai and Mari" needs to stay in the Article about the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, that we should create (now there are two Articles, Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari and Liturgy of Addeus and Maris that are both about the whole service (technically the "Liturgy of Addai and Mari"), that include also the readings, while technically the Anaphora of Addai and Mari should include only the consacratory prayer. A ntv (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
- I was leaning towards having an entire article dedicated to GUIDELINES FOR ADMISSION TO THE EUCHARIST BETWEEN THE CHALDEAN CHURCH AND THE ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST. Within this article let us inclued the foundations of the admissions as indicated here [7] Within that article let us have separte sections entitled by the following eucharist admissions:
- Pastoral necessity
- Ecumenical rapprochement
- The Anaphora of Addai and Mari
- Guidelines for admission to the Eucharist as explained in sections here [8]
and so on. By breaking it up into several sections we can address each of the eucharist admissions in detail rather than placing them an entire paragrapgh. I think if we break the article up into subsections addressing each of these topics, we can establish a informative article worthy of creating. The title of the article can be simply GUIDELINES FOR ADMISSION TO THE EUCHARIST BETWEEN THE CHALDEAN CHURCH AND THE ASSYRIAN CHURCH OF THE EAST as that is the proper title of the doctrine. I think you did a good job in the eucarist section but we need to reak it far more in terms of the sections I have provided above. An entire article dedicated to this title that explains its sub sections is the best route to take. Let me know what you think, best regards. Ninevite (talk) 03:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Of course I started only to write an introduction, not the whole Article. Be free to create all the subsection you need. I wanted to point out that from both the CCC and the ACOE the "guidline" (allowing the partial intercomunion) does NOT represent any news: in the last centuries the faithfuls had always used to attend other church if necessary nor the validity of Addai was ever questioned nor the validity of the other priesthood was ever questioned. Moreover the provisions stated in the guidlines were already present in both churches rules: so the importance of such document is quite limited to be a sign a good will in ecumenic relations, that anyway in the meantime were stopped for other reasons. The importance of such guidlines is Low
- On the contrary the Anaphora of Addai & Mari is extremely important for any Christian and should be studied (and have a place in Wiki): this anaphora, the central part of the liturgy, is worth to has a good Article (high importance for any Christian) and not only a sub-section of a low-importance article.
- the definition of the validity of the anaphora of Addai by Rome (if obvious for the CCC) is a high importance statement for the Catholic doctrine that is beyond the relations with the Assyrian: it was defined the more important Catholic dogmatic definition since the 1550. It began a new way to interpret the dogmatic definitions of the previous councils.
- for these reasons I suggest to keep separated and to create two articles: 1) the Anaphora (with its important catholic statment) and 2) the guidlines for admission, that of course shall have a subsection about the validity of the anaphora, with a {main} to the article about the anaphora. A ntv (talk) 07:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Understood,I'll take a look at them after I take my exams today. You've done a great job in explaining the overview of the topic. Ninevite (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
The Reckoning
Hi Nineveh. I saw your edit summary here, and while I'm quite happy with your substitution thought I'd note that "reckon" in the sense I used it isn't "cowboy language", but a perfectly OED-consonant equivalent of "calculated":
“ | 5. a. To consider, judge, or estimate by, or as the result of, calculation. (Const. as in b.) | ” |
For what that's worth :) Gonzonoir (talk) 08:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok I see your point, I think the current stance sounds the best, thanks for the note, I appreciate it. :) Ninevite (talk) 20:39, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello
Hi, can you watch the Assyrian flag page? That insane triz user keeps vandalizing it.--24.248.39.186 (talk) 01:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
- Shlama, I understand what you're going through, I was there myself not too long ago, as far as edits involving that user goes I dont want to be apart of it, I have grown tired of the constant edit-warring regarding the name of our people, I have distanced myself from it and have put my attention elsewhere. I highly recommend you create a user name in order to challenge these users on the talk page. As I have mentioned above khon, if you are constantly having problems with various users disrupting or vandalizing pages than I recommend you read the comment I wrote above here regarding an identical issue. Apologies for not being more helpful, Peshena Ninevite (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Template
It is incivil to tag regular and well-established editors with templates; it is far more serious to revert genuine efforts to tag disputes, instead of discussing the differences. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- Being a well-established user does not excuse your edit warring on that article. You removed words and added templates to the article without discussing anything, and you are telling me I need to discuss. I have provided scholarly sources for that article to justify the edits back to its original stance. Placing a template notifying you of your edits on your talk page is not incivility but rather just that a notification. Ninevite (talk) 21:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- You have provided a raw search result (that is not scholarship; it isn't even research), which shows merely that the modern Assyrian Church of the East claims Babai. That is not in question; what is in question is that others do too - and that any use of Assyrian about 550 AD is an anachronism. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
- May I ask what original research you provided besides labling soucres you disagree with as indiscriminate? I have added Chaldean Catholic Church as well. Let that be the case for the time being. Ninevite (talk) 22:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Question
{{helpme}} I have a few questions to whom it may concern. I have provided dozens of sources to the Donny George Youkhanna article. I need assistance in fixing repeating references that are used throughout the article. I am not sure how you about the process, but I would greatly appreciate if someone could take the time to fix repeated sources that are used more than once. Towards the bottom of the article some sources repaet as much as 3 or 4 times, I have seen the ABCD method used before to repeat one source, perhaps this can be the solution for it. Thanks to whom it may concern Ninevite (talk) 22:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- Hi! I'll let you fix the article, but this page tells you how to do it (involving <ref name="blah">reference</ref> ...... <ref name="blah" />.... ). I'm sure you'll be able to read and figure out what to do, but if not, don't hesitate to put the helpme tag back, and we'll come along and help you :) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 22:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I really appreciate it, I'll take a look over it right now, thanks Ninevite (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: Shlama
Hmm. If you're using Windows XP, then go to Start -> Control Panel -> Regional and Language Options -> Languages -> and make sure the box for "Install files for complex script..." has a check in it. Other than that, your fonts might have gotten deleted somehow. Check http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Syriac.html and compare the fonts you want to the fonts you actually have in the "Fonts" folder in Control Panel. --334a (talk) 06:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, it requires me to put my Windows Xp cd in; I am in the process of finding it. Regarding the website above; I have always wanted to write in assyrian on my computer, when I downloaded those fonts it asked me to change the language settings to a middle eastern dialect in order to use them. Does this mean once I change the langauge settings I no longer can use english. Will I have to manually change the language each time in order to use english for one thing and assyrian another or is all I need to do is click on the fonts and then choose the syriac and once I am done with it go back to ie times new roman, or do I need to take a different path altogether. Ninevite (talk) 23:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
I'll get to it khony. As you may have guessed, I have not been editting wikipedia very much, I am very tired of the nationalistic debates, and have been busy with my own work, but this, for Assyria, I will do. Gabr-el 01:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Allaha naterrookh akhonnee, I can relate to that as well, since I started university back up last week I have had very little time for anything. Ninevite (talk) 01:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Baseema raba khony, Allaha naterrokh azzizy. Here is my first draft:
Khayet, for your hard work | The Barnstar of Assyria | |||
Gabr-el 02:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- That is so cool man, I could not have done a better job. Its beautiful.Ninevite (talk) 02:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, should we add this one too: I see our Christianity as special to our identity:
Khayet, for your hard work | The Barnstar of Assyria | |||
I think thats a good idea to have two. One that represents our Ancestors and one for our Christan brothers and sisters Could we say something in assyrian such as "Aturayeh" using the assyrian alphabet.Ninevite (talk) 02:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)