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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 6, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that The Simpsons' history began when Matt Groening conceived of the dysfunctional family in the lobby of James L. Brooks's office? |
Ideas for further expansion
The article could be improved if we mentioned the first use of 3D animation ("Treehouse of Horror VI"). It could also be noted that "Deep Space Homer" used some form of computer animation. In addition to that the article should mention the entire feud with the Bush family ("Two Bad Neighbors"). --Maitch 07:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- It should also mention the Who Shot Mr. Burns contest as well as the real Simpson house contest. --Maitch 07:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this article would be better with a list of the significant events that have occured on the show such as Milhouse's parents spliting up, Maude Flanders death, Apu getting married and having a family ones that have had a permanent lasting effect on the show. Oh thats right Sargent Scorpion won't allow it because he seems to think he owns all The Simpsons articles on Wikipedia and dictates what can and can't be on here. Bhowden (talk) 06:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Missing cite?
There is a problem with cite 3. Cirt 16:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC).
Great article!
This is a most wonderful article. Well-done Maitch (talk · contribs) !! I must say I have not encountered much of your work (yet) on the project, though I have seen some of your featured stuff. You do great work. Cirt 16:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC).
List of changes within the show
A week ago I created a section listing the changes that have occured within the show, these are notable changes that have occured and have had a lasting change instead of reverting back to the way things were in the next episode or before the episode finished as the viewer would normally expect. These are things like Apu getting married and later Manjula having children and Milhouses parents spliting up. Anyone who didn't ever see these episode would have no idea such event occured and why such a change never happened, like I have never seen the episode where Barney gave up drinking and started flying a helicopter so I had no idea until I read about it somewhere. So I think this is a good idea, however Scorpion who seems to patrol these articles and removes any change he doesn't like doesn't like it. This info has a place somewhere within The Simpsons articles on Wikipedia, I don't think it is enough info for its own article and I know Sargent Scorpion would probably delete it like he did a few weeks ago with an article on businesses I wrote so decided this was the best place to put it. If someone can think of a better article then shift it there but this seems appropriate being in the History of The Simpsons. Bhowden (talk) 07:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- You do realize it was initially removed by someone else, right? By the way, I didn't delete the businesses article, I nominated it for deletion. It was the votes of a half a dozen others that deleted it.
- This is an out of universe history of the show, it is not a dumping ground for cruft. The stuff you were adding doesn't really belong here. -- Scorpion0422 07:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Got to agree with Scorp, it's a page about the out of universe history, so a list of permanent changes is really trivial cruft. The Simpsons Wiki would be a better place. Gran2 08:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with Scorpion and Gran. That list is pretty trivial and fan crufty. --Maitch (talk) 11:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- Got to agree with Scorp, it's a page about the out of universe history, so a list of permanent changes is really trivial cruft. The Simpsons Wiki would be a better place. Gran2 08:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
The last person that reverted this did so saying it was uncited no other reason, I was quick to fix this saying it is cited as there is a reference to the episode the event occured in. The people that are going to read this and any thing else Simpsons related on Wikipedia are more than likely fans of the Simpsons, if I wasn't a fan of the Simpsons I wouldn't have even considered looking at these articles. It seems so stupid that everything has to match silly PC standards, most people that read this will find it interesting. I think this should be included before some of the other content within The Simpsons articles. Bhowden (talk) 08:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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Contraversy/History
When i first went to this article, i thought it was going to be like: the earlier seasons, thr golden age, the movie, the dwindling years - a proper historical recount on the life of the simpsons - but it looks to me more like a list of all the controversy and advertising it has done over the years. There also seems to be a lot of repetition in the article, and the introduction at the beginning seems to have taken whole paragraphs from the middle of the article. I propose that either the title of the article of changed, or the content is.--Coin945 (talk) 04:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Astrocog (talk • contribs • count) 21:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Editor's note: First of all - thanks for the review. It is much appreciated. Before I start responding to your critique, I would like to explain the editorial decisions behind the article. There is a lot of material available on The Simpsons. The Simpsons WikiProject has written 298 GA's and 22 FA's by now with more to come. I could probably write an 300KB article if I wanted to do that. I decided that I wanted it to be an overview article that should be kept under 100KB (first draft was 140KB), because I don't really think anyone would want to read 300KB about a cartoon. So I tried to make the article as tight as possible and only included the most important stuff. Maybe some sections are too short because of this, but the idea is that the season articles should provide even greater detail. I will try and work on your concerns. --Maitch (talk) 08:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I'll be using the criteria below.AstroCog (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
* I'm putting this GA on hold while some of the issues below can be taken care of. I think it's a nice article, and not far from GA status. Article is passed, because of the recent improvements. AstroCog (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- It is reasonably well written.
- I think this article needs to have a background section at the beginning to explain the show, its characters, and basic setting & style for readers unfamiliar with it. I know it seems unlikely that there exists anybody who isn't familiar with the show, but the article should read well for such people. The lead should reflect this as well. Linking to the Simpsons article is fine, but it should start something like "The Simpsons, a long-running American animated sitcom airing on the Fox Network..." As I read the article, I get an "in-Universe" feeling to the writing. Not in the Universe of the fictional show, but in the Universe of its fans. Story arcs, episodes, and people are brought up without any background or context. For example, the "Treehouse of Horror" section or the "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" sections talk about these arcss/specials as if the reader is already familiar with them. It's not enough to just link to their pages, because article should stand alone. You don't have to add any great detail or plot summary, just some background and context. Does that make sense?
- It does makes sense. I have been working on Simpsons articles for a long time and pretty much knows everything, so maybe I don't provide enough context for the casual reader. I will try and work on this. --Maitch (talk) 08:43, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- * Another good example of what I'm talking about: the "chalkboard gag" is mentioned a few times in the article without ever describing what it is. Example: "The Simpsons' producers rushed out an apologetic chalkboard gag for "Homer the Heretic", which aired a week after "A Streetcar Named Marge". It read, "I will not defame New Orleans." The gag should be briefly described earlier in the article.AstroCog (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- I also think this article could use a copy edit. Some of the prose seems too informal, even if it's well referenced.
- I want to encourage the editors of this article to look at the article The History of Sesame Street as model to follow. It's a FA, and I won't hold you to all of its standards for GA, but for basic structure and elegance of prose, it's an excellent place to look for guidance.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
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- a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- The article, I think, recounts a lot of detail, but doesn't give the reader a sense of the broader impact of some of the controversies or creative decisions, apart from the immediate pop culture musings of the time. I would like to see something that wraps up the article with the show's cultural impact.
- Almost all of the controversies (even those intentional left out of this article) did not have any broader impact than being in the news for a week or two. As noted in the article, the show holds an unusual contract, which pretty much allows them to do anything. So most of the time the producers just apologies for the time being and then end up doing the exact same thing later on. I could however, provide a section about the overall cultural impact of The Simpsons like The Simpsons#Television. Is that want you want?
- * Yes, that's the kind of section that would be good. Also, I would take a careful look at the controversies, and decide which are really worth keeping. You said some were intentionally left out, so I guess some thought has been put into this. But if, as you said, many of the controversies were momentary blips in the news, I'm not sure they're notable enough for inclusion. Perhaps a section called Controversies could go something like: "Because of its unique approach and style, over the years The Simpsons has registered numerous minor controversies...For example, in 1991..." and then you could give some examples. I guess I don't see a need for separate sections for things like the "Feud with G.H.W. Bush". That is certainly notable enough for inclusion in the main part of the article, but I think it's a stretch to call it a "feud", and probably doesn't need a whole subsection. The same with the "New Orleans Controversy". Interesting, but not notable enough to have its own sub-section. So, in the Jean and Riess Years section, for example, my recommendation is to just use paragraphs and not sub-sections. A couple of other sections could be improved along these lines. AstroCog (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It's going to take me a while to read through this article carefully to see that the controversial statements are supported by neutral references. There's a lot about controversies in this article.
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- Seems stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- Images, yes. However, it could use a fair-use image or two from the show itself, to illustrate relevant episodes or characters discussed in the article (e.g., Who Shot Mr. Burns?").
- I have added two fair use images that both serves as identification for the article and shows the character development from the Tracey Ullman days to today. I don't think I am allowed much more, since the fair use policy is pretty strict these days. I noticed that History of Sesame Street doesn't have a single fair use image. --Maitch (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- * Additional images are good! Yeah, History of Sesame Street doesn't have show images, and I dinged the article for that during its FAN. The main editor of that article has been desperately trying to get images that the Sesame Street people will allow. Apparently, they are prone to issuing lawsuits.AstroCog (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
- * I like the new images. I would just caution against going overboard now with pictures. For example, I'm not sure a pic of Rio De Janeiro is necessary.AstroCog (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Overall: I'm passing this article for GA status. The work since the GA review started has been quite good and the improvements have been adequate for the GA criteria.AstroCog (talk) 14:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
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No mention of how it is able to be syndicated on cable now?
In the Cancellation threat section, it mentions how the show is possibly worth more cancelled than it is continuing because there is a deal in place that does not allow it to be syndicated on cable as long as the show is on the air. Then, just one paragraph later, it mentions the FXX syndication deal. But absolutely NO mention of how that is possible.
Does anyone know how that is possible? Did they compensate the channels that have been airing syndicated episodes all this time in exchange for dropping that part of the original contract? If the reason is known, it needs to be included, because that section as it is written sticks out like a sore thumb due to there being no mention of how what we just read was not allowed suddenly became allowed.198.255.149.63 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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