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Vedic religion

@Kautilya3 and Joshua Jonathan: Any reason we should retain "historical" in the title? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:45, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Ehm... Good question. Because the Cedic relgion, in a way, lives on in Hinduism? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:07, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I think it is to distinguish it from the present day Hinduism. Pinging Dbachmann. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Beckwith

I've re-inserted Beckwith's statement on the influence of the BMAC on the old-Indic religion. Beckwith writes:

The most influential of the new dialects was Proto-Indo-Iranian, the speakers of which appear to have been influenced linguistically by a non-Indo-Eoropean people from whom the Indo-Iranians borrowed their distinctive religious beleifs and practices. The locus of this convergence is increasingly thought to have been the area of the advanced, non-Indo-European-speaking Bactria-Margiana culture.

Anthony further explains these influences. In Endnote 33, Beckwith refers to Witzel (2003), Linguistic Evidence for Cultural Exchange in Prehistoric Western Central Asia. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:32, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: please add the Beckwith and other ref details to the reflist. Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:01, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

You mean, as a note? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I mean here, so that if we click we don't get a harv error, instead we see the cite details of Beckwith and other sources, then locate and read the context etc. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Religion of the Indo-Aryans

I think that

...was the religion of the Indo-Aryans in ancient India during the Vedic period (~1500-500 BCE).

is incorect. The Vedas were created by a subset of Indo-Aryans, and not all Indo-Aryans adhered to this specific Indo-Aryan tradition. I'll have to look for sources, but Kuz'mina (p.319) argued that the Swat-people were Aryans, but with a culture/relgion which was different from the Vedic Aryans. Bronkhorst argued that the Buddha lived in an Aryan area where the Vedic religion was met with opposition. And Witzel probably also argues that not all Aryans were Vedic. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Let us avoid too many details in the lead and primary sources. I reworded the lead para a bit. Please feel free to revise and improve it further. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

How about "was the predominant religion of the Indo-Aryans"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Bullshit article hijacked by european nationalists

This article needs to mention

1) saraswati river drying up in 3800 BC which is archaeological/ geological evidence 2) fire altars in kalibangan, rakhigarhi and lothal 3) dates of vedic texts has been disputed by many scholars such as nicholas kazanas, shrikhant telegari, shubhash kak etc 4) it needs to mention that many scholars such as nicholas kazanas opine that zoroastrian religion is an off shoot of vedic religion 5) needs to mention mitanni vedic religion and kassites vedic gods, the pre zoroasterian religion of yazdanism present in iraq and syria and its relation to vedic religion 6) needs to mention the kali yuga and that prominent indian mathematician aryabhatta calculated kali yuga date as 3102 BC which predates the 1500 BC aryan migration notion 7) scholars who have established indus seals with the event of kali yuga. 8) mention that max muller who proposed aryan dating of 1500 BC was a christian evangelist who believed earth was created in 4000 BC

so far i see so many aryanists contribution and editing and this article seem to be exhibiting very aryanist and european nationalist views, it needs to accomodate the second view as well. This article seem to be deliberately destorting and presenting twited one sided european nationalist view of the indian history.

The entire article seems to be propagating aryanist author views, without any evidence of archaeological proofs, where are the views of Mark kenoyer etc on cemetry H culture, cultural and anthropological continuity? and the swat grave culture etc? seems like any contrary views are not being accomodated in this article. where is archaeological evidence that andronovo and sintashta cultures spoke an indo european language since zero inscriptions have been found from the sites? Mark kenoyer also argues that BMAC has no evidence of indo european language presence as well, so how do we conclude in the article that BMAC spoke indo european language?

the article fails to mention one single archaeological evidence which argue that there is cultural continuity, neither anthropological views, neither discovery of bronze chariots from sanauli and horse bones which was discovered by mortimer wheeler and later verified by german scholar who specialised in biological study of the horse who verified that the horse feet discovered from surkotada, the entire article is made on fantasy based contribution of few aryanists like david anthony, michael witzel who are repeatedly quoted every where which concerns indian history.

regardsRameezraja001 (talk) 15:12, 5 October 2018 (UTC)