Talk:Alice in Chains

Removal of hard rock

I'm removing hard rock since 4 genres are enough, heavy metal already covers hard rock, and it was added by a banned sock account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I call the big one bitey (talk • contribs)

Genre of Music

Alice In Chains is Grunge not Rock or Hard Rock, listen to Layne Stayley’s voice it’s a grungy deep powerful sound. listen to Man in the Box or Would?, his voice is sort of like Kurt Cobain’s. as for the music it’s low and a mean sound which in my opinion sounds like Grunge. Alice in Chains have their own type of grunge like Soundgarden and Nirvana. there are different types of Grunge and Alice In Chains have their own. Aiisdku (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Information on Wikipedia is based off of what reliable sources say, such as books or journal articles. If you look in the "musical style" section then you'll see next to each genre the sources that support them. Yes, grunge is sourced but there are also many sources that cite them as other genres, such as alternative metal and sludge metal, so many that calling them just one very niche description doesn't seem apt (and that's completely ignoring the fact that many people don't even consider grunge to be a genre). Issan Sumisu (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Changing "Alternative metal" to "alternative rock"

I propose that "Alternative metal", which is listed as one of the several styles performed by Alice in Chains in the page's info-box be changed to "Alternative rock".

"Alternative rock" far better describes the music of the two EPs the band released in 1992 and 1994 than does "alternative metal", and is included in the info-boxes both for those EPs and the studio album "Dirt"; which were an essential part of the band's career and, in the instance of 1994's "Jar of Flies" in particular, represented the band's most successful and acclaimed work. The "Musical style" acknowledges "alternative rock" as a style of theirs, with many media sources continuing to label Alice in Chains "alternative rock" to the present day. Furthermore, "alternative metal" falls under both the "alternative rock" label and the already-listed designation of "heavy-metal"; the two "alternative-rock" and "heavy-metal" labels thus together forming an ample generalization, better and more representative than the more specific "alternative metal".

I am willing to discuss such a change, and the aforementioned proposals will be undertaken in a short amount of time if no objection is raised. JoeyofScotia (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Currently, alternative metal has three sources (however, the current AllMusic source should definitely be removed as it only states this in the sidebar, which isn't reliable) on the page supporting it, in comparison to alternative rock only having one. There's a copious amount of sources calling them alt metal that aren't included (www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/alice-in-chains-plot-headlining-north-american-tour-223372/, www.vh1.com/news/alt-metal-a-to-z, www.revolvermag.com/music/alice-chains-jerry-cantrell-talks-coming-full-circle-deeper-new-album, and there are also a lot for alt rock (exclaim.ca/film/article/alice_in_chains_detail_rainier_fog_inspired_film_project) but I do seem to be having a harder time finding them, and many of which mention them in the same breath as metal (www.loudersound.com/features/alice-in-chains-top-10). This is rather subjective, however there does seem to be far more sources that call them alt metal than alt rock, so I'm not sure the replacement would be apt. Issan Sumisu (talk) 16:38, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Discography

In response to the edit note and recent attempts by new editors to add the Jar of Flies EP, I renamed the section "Studio albums" to indicate that the section listed only studio albums. I was reverted by Issan Sumisu with an explanation that the manual of style requires the section to be titled "Discography", but it does not, it only lays out general guidelines for such a section. I'm not going to get into an edit war here but I do think something needs to be done to fix this section. I propose subdividing it into subsections for "studio albums", "live albums", and "extended plays", with the rest being omitted in favour of the separate discography page. The reason is twofold: for one, AIC has top-selling releases from those formats, and second, newer editors and IPs will keep trying to add them in spite of the notice until they get their way, it's just how it goes. Thoughts? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:04, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I did attach the link to the more ambiguous MOS, but here it refers to even a section only including studio albums as the Discography. But, for the point you're trying to reach, it seems quite common to put a subheading of "Studio albums" just after the link to the main article, seen in Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium (band), Gojira (band) and most similar pages. Issan Sumisu (talk) 22:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC)