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== List of characters notability? ==
Is there any codified guidance on this? I've seen a lot of these through AfD lately, for some substantial works:
* [[List of Kill Bill characters]]
:: [[WP:Articles for deletion/List of Kill Bill characters (2nd nomination)]]
* [[His Dark Materials]]
:* [[Dæmon (His Dark Materials)]]
:* [[Dust (His Dark Materials)]]
:* [[Races and creatures in His Dark Materials]]
:* [[Locations in His Dark Materials]]
:: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Races and creatures in His Dark Materials]]
* [[Mortal Engines]]
:: [[List of Mortal Engines Quartet characters]]
:: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mortal Engines Quartet characters]]
:: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hester Shaw]]
* [[List of Redwall characters]]
:: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Redwall characters]]
:: Now at [[WP:Deletion review/Log/2019 November 21#List of Redwall characters]]
Although there has been regular discussion on this in the past, I can't see a linkable guideline, such that it could be quoted at AfD?
These are pretty major fictional series: Hollywood films on three of the four here. Surely if we're having article on series of that scale, at least one LoC article should be justified implicitly? [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 11:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
:There is none. We have tried numerous times to establish notability for fiction without success. Closest to be used is LISTN and NOT#PLOT. Some secondary sourcing should be required. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 12:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
:What Masem said, although that was 10 years ago. The current mentality at AFD seems to be that fiction-based [[WP:SPINOFF]]s from the main article (or List of characters or List of episodes) are fine as long as there is significant non-trivial real-world coverage present in (or could be added to) the spinoff article. – [[User:Sgeureka|sgeureka]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sgeureka|t]]•[[Special:Contributions/Sgeureka|c]]</sup> 12:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
::If anything, the situation is less favorable for lists of fictional elements today, than it was 10 years ago. We've matured in that we generally don't want excessive coverage of fictional elements unless they can be clearly backed by secondary sources for real-world aspects (reception or development/creation). We also don't want these pages to be used to cheat NOT#PLOT and various MOS limitations on plot coverage: just because you can add one source that says a character was in a top 10 list from some random website is not sufficient allowance to create a massive plot dump. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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