Talk:Tom Scott (YouTuber)

YouTube channel

Two points:

1. {{youtube|user=enyay|Tom Scott}} works, but youtube.com/TomScottGo suggested on www.tomscott.com also works, and might be better: He uses TomScottGo also on Instagram. I don't see how {{youtube}} could support the clearer youtube.com/TomScottGo URL.
2. "Entertainer" is fine, but I mainly know his computerphile videos, and from that I'd guess that "computer scientist with a background in linguistics" (or vice versa), and a decent grasp of security, could also describe him. In one of his "entertainment" gigs he interviewed Edward Snowden (example). The utter dubious computerphile redirection is up for grabs.

–178.24.246.236 (talk) 09:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 November

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The result of the move request was: not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) Kostas20142 (talk) 12:21, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Tom Scott (entertainer) → Tom Scott (Youtuber) – No evidence of entertaining in article or sources. Only notable for YouTube channel, cf. Natoo (Youtuber). Alternatively Tom Scott (presenter). In ictu oculi (talk) 10:03, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose, Sounds less encyclopedic, Also would like to add that there isn't yet another Tom Scott that comes under entertainer, If there is, Then this move might be more warranted. SageWater (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
• Move to Tom Scott (presenter) as less vague. "Youtuber" isn't really a word except in Internet slang.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  18:56, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

  "YouTuber" is now in the OED and Wikipedia has List of YouTubers. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

• Comment. I agree that "entertainer" is not a good description, even if what he does is often entertaining. He makes a lot of factual videos and these seem to dwarf the pure entertainment of shows like Citation Needed while the less formal Matt and Tom stuff is somewhere in-between. I'm not a massive fan of "YouTuber" (although I have added it as a category) as that ties people to one platform. In Scott's case he has done TV and he could, if he chose, switch platform without it fundamentally affecting what he does. "Presenter" is not too bad but it does not reflect that he is making these videos himself, not presenting them for other people. How do we feel about Tom Scott (video maker) or something along those lines? --DanielRigal (talk) 19:08, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

  Factual and entertaining are not mutually exclusive, hence "edutainment". —Tom Morris (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose: I originally created the page and it has been through a variety of disambiguation labels including "TV presenter" and "comedian". Part of the reason I moved it to "entertainer" originally was because of the subject's own unhappiness with previous disambiguation labels, specifically comedian. Tom has not sought to have his Wikipedia article changed or influenced in any way beyond the disambiguation label (as well as the supply of a better picture via OTRS), and I think unless we have good reason to overrule a subject's wishes, it seems fairly reasonable to stick to a label that the subject finds acceptable. With social media personalities and the rise of newer media forms, the existing labels we have like "TV presenter" (or "actor" or "comedian" or whatever) are going to become less relevant and our language isn't really coming up with any good new alternatives, just lots of really bad douchey terms like "media personality" and so on. I picked it because it seems like the least bad of a series of bad options. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. We don't have a requirement that people whose notability derives from YouTube necessarily have to be disambiguated as "YouTuber" rather than a broader term for what they do on YouTube, so this isn't in and of itself a compelling reason to move the article. There may be a good reason that hasn't been presented yet, and there may be a better alternative disambiguator — but there's no requirement that notability from YouTube always automatically forces the person to be dabbed as YouTuber. That said, the person's own wishes aren't a valid argument for or against the choice of disambiguator, either — we routinely see people who have been active in a variety of fields try to push their article to an excessively disambiguated collision of everything they've done, such as "(politician, writer, musician, activist and athlete)", which isn't useful. So I'm not fundamentally opposed to changing the disambiguator here, but I'd need to see a more compelling argument than "notability from YouTube automatically requires the dab to be YouTuber". Bearcat (talk) 17:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
• Very strong oppose per above and consistency. Please close this move. Ꞷumbolo 19:21, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Reference for his birthday?

Probably not a prudent thing to try to track down per WP:DOB --In actu (Guerillero) Parlez Moi 22:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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I tried to find a reference for his birthday. After creating a quiz on Us Vs Th3m in 2014 called "What's The Theme Tune Of Your Life?" based on "the number one on your 14th birthday", he posted on Facebook that he got Believe by Cher (Link) which was on number one of the UK charts from 31 October 1998 to 12 December 1998 (Source). As of 30 November 2016, Wikipedia listed his birthday as 26 November 1984 quoting IMDb (Link). On 17 October, the day now given on Wikipedia and IMDb, the UK number one was Girlfriend by Billie (Wikipedia: "The song debuted on the UK Singles Chart on 17 October 1998 at number one."). Adrio (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC) Removed per WP:DOB. Best we can do from sources looks like "age based on year" where a news article states his age at a particular time. --86.185.142.236 (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC) I found an old tweet to him from Matt Grey that corroborates 26th November as the correct date: Check out @unnamedculprit’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/unnamedculprit/status/7953430698000385?s=09 I also recall having seen 26 or 27 Nov given on his old personal website (thomasscott.net) at one point but as it's been removed from the Internet Archive I can't verify via that route. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.92.6.57 (talk) 02:27, 18 October 2018 (UTC) Just noticed this conversation. It seems there is no definitive answer available, so I've changed the birth date to just show as "1984". If you are going to change it back to showing the full date, I'd recommend including an inline citation there since there's so much conflicting information. --IagoQnsi (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2018 (UTC) That seems appropriate, especially as it seems some redditors have been a tad annoying. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC) redacted information Citing <redacted>[data] which is not well known or widely publicised, is borderline privacy violation. It should not be publicly linked. Have removed your reference. Nextmonkhood (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2019 (UTC) My apologies, was not aware of the Wikipedia policies (or the reddit debacle, for that matter) regarding all of this sorta stuff. Just figured that it's all public information that'd be useful in an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrDnomaid (talk • contribs) 20:51, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2020

Change "2.1 million subscribers" in the first paragraph to "2.2 million subscribers". 2600:1702:1DC1:82C0:BC04:17C4:8545:7538 (talk) 01:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Ionmars10 (talk) 02:24, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2020

change "t-shirt" to "T-shirt" in "Tom Scott in his signature red t-shirt in 2016" QoopyQoopy (talk) 03:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It seems that both capital and lower-case T are acceptable and common. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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Addition of Middle Name

Tom's full name is (redacted), I feel that this should be on the page under 'Born as', and the introduction paragraph. I added these changes but they were reverted without comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobSa (talk • contribs) 17:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Please see the edit notice at the top of the page. Ionmars10 (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Section on websites

I just removed the following text from the article:

In July 2004 the UK government released a website called Preparing for Emergencies. Tom made his own version under the domain http://www.preparingforemergencies.co.uk/.He managed this as the government only bought the domain ending in .gov.uk and not .co.uk. The Home Office said they were going to take down the website but they never did. The fake one is still live as of February 2021. He has also made other website like the North-o-Meter which is a joke game, which guesses how far far up north you live based on question you answer. Another one is You Can't Do Simple Maths Under Pressure which is a supposedly easy game with basic math questions but under a small period the answer the question. He also made one called Are You Hated By The Daily Mail?. There are many more on his website: All his projects Games.

If sources can be found some of this might plausibly belong in the "Other projects" section of the article, but it looks like trivia to me. Best, Wham2001 (talk) 19:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Age request?

Can someone add his age to the article? I think he looks in his late 30's or early 40's please. 174.228.131.212 (talk)

He doesn't want it listed and we respect that —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:36, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

TheDJ, Since when does wikipedia ask the subject of the user what they want in the article? Idan (username is Zvikorn) (talk) 11:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:DOB: "If a subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year, provided that there is a reliable source for it." —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

TheDJ, Thank you! Idan (username is Zvikorn) (talk) 15:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand this. I've been reading this rule and it's bizarre. If wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED how is it that a notable person can just ask an encyclopedia to do certain things? CaffeinAddict (talk) 06:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

It's called privacy. And it's courtesy. We are not some TMZ trash tabloid. Specificially WP:BLP is higher in ranking of our rules than WP:NOTCENSORED. Also we have time, we can provide highly detailed information later if needed. As long as it's just not that important to the general reader, compared to how important it is to the subject, it just doesn't matter that much. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Would it be acceptable to add that he is in his 30s as of 2021 - as confirmed in one of his recent videos. The argument being he said it himself, so on that basis he doesn't mind the world know that information. RobertEves92 10:44, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

This still doesn't make sense - how is someone's birthday a breach of privacy? Regardless, on the basis that there's a lack of RS for it is my only reason for understanding why date of birth has not been included. The best I could find was Podchaser (besides IMDb which is generally unreliable) [1] putting his birthday at October 17, 1984. This has been included in the Norwegian wiki on Scott: [2]. But unless such a reliable source is made it's best to leave it blank under that concept. The privacy thing doesn't seem to make sense. CaffeinAddict (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Us vs Them

Shouldn't his work on Us vs Them be added to "Early work"? Itay Volk (talk) 23:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I meant "UsVsTh3m" Itay Volk (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Careful

This YouTuber is very private about personal life I think.SterlingPound4 (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC) SterlingPound4 (talk) 14:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there is already a specific Arbitration Committee notice at the top of the article page.

"Arbitration enforcement mandate: You must not post any personal information about the article subject unless there is consensus for the addition on the talk page. See the page notice at Template:Editnotices/Page/Tom Scott (entertainer)."

--RedHillian | Talk 21:22, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

New update photo

I believe a better photo should be added as the one in the information box is from 2016 apparently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SterlingPound4 (talk • contribs) 14:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

The fact that the photo is from five years ago doesn't mean the photo is not good enough anymore. This photo is a very good quality portrait, and no more-recent alternative is available as of today on Commons. Gyrostat (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree with @Gyrostat:. WP:AINTBROKE is a good essay on this, as is WP:BEANS. There is no reason to replace it as it is a remarkably good quality portrait. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 15:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 9 November 2021

Tom Scott (entertainer) → Tom Scott (Youtuber) – I know we discussed this four years ago, but I think it's worth revisiting it. Tom Scott's notability rests on the popularity and widespread attention of his Youtube channel. Moreover, calling him an "entertainer" is misleading, as the vast majority of his videos educate instead of entertain. After all, what else would a video entitled "Things you might not know" be? As a second choice, Tom Scott (presenter) would be also better than what we currently have. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:59, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment. Small point, but if we do go with Youtuber, it should be spelled "YouTuber" with a capital T.--Cerebral726 (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment, while I do support the idea of moving the article away from having "entertainer" in parenthesis (as that doesn't really cover the scope of his work), I feel "youtuber" (case aside) also doesn't fully appreciate his other attributes. I wouldn't say describing him "primarily" as a youtuber is a disservice, but I just feel there could be something more appropriate, I'm just not sure what. Failing any better suggestions, it's probably slightly better than entertainer. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

• Strongly oppose (YouTuber) - I believe it goes against our core philosophy to promote brand terms in the disambiguation portions of our titles (upper- or lowercase doesn't matter). (video producer) or (presenter) are quite fine alternatives. The current (entertainer) should change, as it is imprecise. -- Netoholic @ 19:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Netoholic: I am inclined to agree with your analysis regarding brand promotion (it wasn't my primary concern, but it's a fair one). I would support the simpler "presenter" of your two suggestions as more acceptable. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I would support "presenter", and suggest another alternative - "internet personality" - although he's not what I'd consider an influencer, which is what Internet personality, redirecting to Internet celebrity, is effectively about. Legowerewolf (talk) 20:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment Are there any other persons with "YouTuber" in their article title? --Spekkios (talk) 20:42, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose (Youtuber) disambiguator and instead, moved it to just Tom Scott (no disambiguator), as he is clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC regardless whether he is youtuber, entertainer, or presenter and move dab Tom Scott page as Tom Scott (disambiguation). A second option Tom Scott (presenter) will also be acceptable. 125.167.58.66 (talk) 21:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Tom Scott (YouTuber), perhaps Tom Scott (educator), or even (presenter) (but not the primary topic grab); just please, not "entertainer". We have a huge category tree under category:YouTubers, several other people disambiguated as such, and "YouTuber" is a WP:RECOGNIZABLE everyday word which entered dictionaries. And all of a sudden, we have concerns about promoting a commercial brand? No such user (talk) 08:35, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose as per comments by Netoholic above. Wikipedia should be neutral and not promote brands in article titles. If a person is a journalist reporting for the BBC, we don't add (BBC journalist) to the title, but just (journalist). If a physicist holds an academic position at the University of Bristol then we also don't add (University of Bristol professor) to the title, but just (physicist). Why should an exception be made here? Mr Scott's article should have a title that is independent of his current employment. ArticCynda (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Tom Scott (YouTuber) consistent with other (YouTuber) dabs Category:Male YouTubers. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment to those opposing "YouTuber": This word is part of the English language. See Cambridge Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, Collins Dictionary, and Oxford English Dictionary (paywall site, but see news article here.) 162 etc. (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@162 etc.: Perhaps it may also be because this person is not exclusively a youtube personality and the alternate "presenter" more widely covers his character. The article, afterall, does introduce with, "Thomas Scott is an English YouTuber, educator, game show host and web developer". Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC):

Support per other support above, for the same reasons; also (Presenter) or (Educator). I also note that a "YouTuber" as discussed here isn't employed by the platform, but is a user of it, potentially receiving a share of advertising revenue.--RedHillian | Talk 21:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Support "presenter". I think presenter is definitely the best option here. Educator perhaps over implies his qualifications and job, making it sound like he is a formal educator (teacher, professor, etc.) and YouTuber may be too tight of a description, as he does plenty of other things. --Cerebral726 (talk) 13:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Support "presenter". Even youtuber would be better than the current name, but that's the best suggestion yet IMO. Andrewa (talk) 18:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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