Talk:CJ Perry

Requested move 2014

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The result of the move request was: page moved. —innotata 06:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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C.J. Perry → Lana (wrestling) – Common name. Perry gained exposure by her work in WWE as Lana (the article was created when she debuted in WWE). She has worked for months in the main roster, even she appeared in the news due the storyline with Putin. Her work as Lana has more exposure than her previous works. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Not sure about this one. It's a topical gimmick, and the crowd doesn't have the patience to wait for a "defection" (face turn) like they did with Nikolai Volkoff. I'm no psychic, but I don't see a place for her after Rusev turns. At least not as "Lana". Not sure we should jump just yet, especially with her other work here, which seems fairly notable, even if it took the much more notable WWE thing to influence someone to create the article. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:47, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support - more success and (even mainstream) exposure through WWE as Lana compared to the cameos in films that actually have an article on Wikipedia, or cameos in one television episode of TV serials that actually have an article on Wikipedia. starship.paint ~ regal 02:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - She has a prolific career as an actress. She appeared in hit movies ("Pitch Perfect") and hit shows ("The Real Housewives of Atlanta") and will also be in "Pitch Perfect 2." Not to mention, C.J. Perry is a natural disambiguator, whereas Lana (wrestling) is not. --GeicoHen (talk) 05:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • She appeared in Pitch Perfect in a minor role (even in the article she doesn't appear as the cast). She appeared in some TV shows, but in one episode. Hen, looks like you don't know how notability works. Perry gained national and worldwide exposure in the WWE as Lana. She appears week after week in a worldwide TV show (3.0) as Lana. Also, she appeared in the news after Putin debuted in RAW and when she made a promo about the plain accident. You can't compare her role in WWE with a supporting character in Tv or a film. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - The one concern I still have is if "(wrestling)" is the right disambiguator or not. --GeicoHen (talk) 18:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I asked in the project. Lana isn't a wrestler, she is a valet, so looks weird to use (wrestler). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Lana (valet), maybe? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:09, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

• Support, her appearances on Raw trump her other TV and film appearances in my view. McPhail (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
• Support Seems that her wrestling appearances have given her more notability than previous endeavors. (wrestling) is an appropriate disambiguator because she isn't a wrestler, so (wrestler) would be inaccurate.LM2000 (talk) 22:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 December 2014

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 18:06, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Lana (wrestling) → Lana (wrestler) – The current name says Wrestling. What is that supposed to mean? It isn't about a wrestling related term, but a wrestler, hence I think a move is needed Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:46, 29 December 2014 (UTC).

• Oppose She's not a wrestler and wrestling is the appropriate disambigulator for wrestling figures who aren't actually wrestlers (see: Dixie Carter (wrestling), Jim Barnett (wrestling), Michael Cole (wrestling), etc). Professional Wrestling terms don't use "wrestling" (for reasons I don't exactly agree with), those use "(professional wrestling)" as you can see from the move request at Talk:Blading (professional wrestling). LM2000 (talk) 08:09, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - she plays a non-wrestler role on professional wrestling television shows. Sources indicate that she's never wrestled a match before. Also oppose (manager) / (professional wrestling manager) / (professional wrestling) on grounds of vagueness or lack of concision. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 08:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
• Counterpropose Lana (WWE) or perhaps Lana (manager). Red Slash 09:11, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
• Support Lana (WWE) and Propose Lana (professional wrestling manager) as per article content or more simply Lana (professional wrestling). This topic is mock combat / entertainment in performance in a boxing style ring. I don't consider this as wrestling according to the competitive sport definition of the word. GregKaye 15:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I do agree, but we surely can do better than a three-word or even two-word disambiguator. Red Slash 08:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose... she is not a wrestler. McPhail (talk) 13:18, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose In the wrestling scene, doesn't wrestle. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Is Lana a wrestler?

I and Tyler Gonzalez seem to be starting an Edit war over whether or not Lana is a wrestler. I don't think she is because she hasn't been in a match yet, and until then I don't think it's right to add her as a wrestler. Of course, if there are reliable sources which say she's a wrestler, I'll take that. But I can't see (as it is now) how she is one. --w^{L<speak·check>} 05:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• She is not a wrestler as she has never wrestled a match. McPhail (talk) 18:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• As of August 11th 2015, Lana has still yet to feature in an officially sanctioned match. Therefore, it seems inaccurate to call her a wrestler outright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.165.111.73 (User talk:86.165.111.73) 18:53, 11 August 2015‎ (UTC)

• No. One must wrestle to be a wrestler.LM2000 (talk) 01:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Her moves!

She slaps people and also uses Brie Bella's finisher. We have yet to see what her 'official' finisher will be, but she stole that move from Brie.PeterMan844 (talk) 17:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

The roundhouse kick should be listed as a finishing move because she has been using it since her rivalry with Summer Rae in 2015. Even non-wrestlers use moves in the ring sometimes (e.g. SoCal Val and Lilian Garcia). DantODB (talk) 22:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Character surname

Given the marriage to Alexander Rusev does anyone recall hearing her called either Mrs. Rusev or Lana Rusev or something? I feel like I might have heard this months ago but not sure. Ranze (talk) 04:12, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 13 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus shows it's WP:TOOSOON for this to be moved. (non-admin closure) Anarchyte (work | talk) 06:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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Lana (wrestling) → Lana (wrestler) – Now that Perry is an active wrestler, moving the page to the standard suffix "(wrestler)" will bring it into line with all other wrestler biographies. McPhail (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

One question. I haven't watched in awhile so I'm unsure how frequently she wrestles. Michael Cole (wrestling) had a somewhat notable (even if for not the right reasons) in-ring career but is primarily known as a commentator. Most of Lana's career has been as a manager and the most recent update in her bio indicates she is managing Rusev again. If she's primarily a manager and wrestles only sporadically then I think the (wrestling) suffix should stay where it is.LM2000 (talk) 22:25, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose, for now I agree with LM2000, it's too soon for this. Wait and see if she becomes a wrestler, or stays a manager who rarely wrestles. TrueCRaysball | ^#RaysUp 08:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose I see six matches from April 3-23, five untelevised and all eight-to-ten-woman tags. Jim Cornette did a lot of six-mans, for many years, but nobody seriously considers him a wrestler. She'll need a singles run (even a short one) before I can get behind this. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

• Opppose My question has been answered. LM2000 (talk) 21:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

If you were wondering if her WrestleMania match involved wrestling: "And yes, Lana actually did a few moves. Savat kicks and the like. Some quick striking and then a tag out." It's spelled "savate", but the point stays the same. Doesn't appear to know a wristlock from a wristwatch, as "they" say. I'll need to at least see some clinchwork. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

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Bella Buster

I believe that the Bella Buster should be listed as Lana's finishing move since it was a prominent part of the Brie-Lana feud as well as being used to finish segments. If I could get more editors to weigh in on this, that would be great. DantODB 01:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

• Can't agree with this logic. Firstly, wrestlers performing one another's finishers on each other is commonplace: Austin and Rock using the Rock Bottom and Stunner on one another; Triple H Tombstoning Undertaker; Cena and Orton giving one another RKOs and Attitude Adjustments. Doesn't make it *their* signature/finishing move. Secondly, the move was never used to finish a match (or even *in* a match), so it's patently not a finisher. Thirdly, as far as I can tell, the move was only used twice. McPhail (talk) 15:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 25 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Guanaco 07:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

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Lana (wrestling) → Lana (wrestler) – Common name. She's an active wrestler on the roster now, isn't it? The word of "wrestling" means now what she do / doing something right now. And the word of "wrestler" means she's a athlete / sport what she do? To this article the matching name was "Lana (wrestler)" not "Lana (wrestling)", aren't it? Think about it and redirect or not... Chrishymalboy99 (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:52, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Approve:The page is not about wrestling itself, but the performer. - Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 07:28, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Weak oppose The article title includes "wrestling" because she was primarily a manager, not a wrestler (ex: Michael Cole (wrestling), Tom Phillips (wrestling). Despite being on the active roster now, she hasn't won a single match on television yet, and is still commonly known as a manager.

Oppose Per my comments on the last RM and Sekyaw's statements above. I know it's been a year since the last RM but I still think it's WP:TOOSOON.LM2000 (talk) 23:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Approve: She has been training as a wrestler and will most likely compete more often.1Sire (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Oppose. She has yet to win a match; It's a line call whether to call her a wrestler, it may happen, may not, but she's certainly a manager. Andrewa (talk) 09:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move July 17, 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

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Lana (wrestling) → Lana (wrestler) – Last year, it was discussed this move. However, some users though it was TOOSOON. One year after, Lana has wrestled several matches, becoming a full-time wrestler. She has participated in Money in the Bank, Mixed Match Challenge, Royal Rumble... I think she is a wrestler, and "(wrestling)" is obsolete. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 20:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Support - We only use (wrestling) on BLPs where the person couldn't really be called a wrestler at all. Usually for managers who have little to no wrestling exposure (Slick (wrestling) for example who cagematch has down as wrestling 6 matches). Lana is now a full time wrestler, and despite being most commonly known as a manager, she should be referred to as Lana (wrestler) Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:04, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: I really wouldn't called Lana a full-time wrestler. She hasn't wrestled since Money in the Bank. She has hardly wrestled leading up to it as well. The most she wrestled at one time on the main roster was when she was feuding with Naomi for the SmackDown Women's Championship. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 05:49, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

• Support'- She's more known as a wrestler than anything else .... whether she's active or not is irrelevant. –Davey2010^Talk 22:00, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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New info

This is the primary source. It would be beneficial if anyone find secondary sources. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 11:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Latvian-American

Would calling her Latvian-American be appropriate? She did spend part of her childhood and her teenage years in Latvia, after all. Heepman1997 (talk) 06:39, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

divorced

hi, is this an ok reliable source for the divorce https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/wwe-raw-rusev-lana-divorce-11589327/ Govindaharihari (talk) 16:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I certainly agree with them that WWE has "blurred the lines". But Metro is a tabloid freesheet, so we expect junk food news. It is a reliable source for statements beginning "Metro reported... " But to be clear, they are reporting a WWE storyline (kayfabe). Divorce is a legal process. It generally begins with filing of a petition from one of the parties, with a court. Like a marriage, it creates a public record. (William Shatner did it recently, causing a flurry of edits from folk who thought it meant his marriage was instantly dissolved.) Nobody has reported such a filing for this marriage, as far as I know. But then, the reference for the marriage itself is to wwe.com, so perhaps we should start with a RS for that. William Avery (talk) 18:29, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

thanks William. I am pretty much of the same thought. Govindaharihari (talk) 21:44, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Slammy Award

• Slammy Award#2014 Slammy Awards
• "Tell Me You Didn't Just Say That" Insult of the Year
• "The Rock insults Rusev and Lana – Raw, October 6"

The Rock insulted them. So it makes him the winner not Rusev and Lana. I will remove it from Awards and accomplishments. Wario-Man ^talk 05:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. To alternate suggested title without periods. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 23:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Lana (wrestler) → C. J. Perry – This is her real name (abbreviated), the name she uses as an actress, and the name she is currently using in All Elite Wrestling. She hasn't gone by Lana in a while. McPhail (talk) 12:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support WP:NAMECHANGES and borderline WP:COMMONAME, used before and after WWE, including outside of wrestling.LM2000 (talk) 12:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per LM2000's reasons and also WP:NATDIS. oknazevad (talk) 15:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose C. J. Perry Support CJ Perry or C.J. Perry. She herself uses CJ Perry as her professional name. And if we want to use the abbreviation version with dots, it should be C.J. Perry and not the suggested name with spaces. Reliable sources uses CJ Perry or C.J. Perry; for example see [1] and [2]. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't have a strong view on how the formatting of the initials is treated. McPhail (talk) 17:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support CJ Perry per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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