Left guide

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thank you for all the great clean up work you are doing on a very complex case. And an especially big thank you for being such a wonderful collaborator and team player. Hats off! Netherzone (talk) 20:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Netherzone: Thanks, same to you! Couldn't have done it without your ongoing encouragement, advice, and mediation/diplomacy. Left guide (talk) 21:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Code clean up

Hi! If you clean up an unreliable source, make sure that you also remove the ref-name code fragments if the source is used more than once in an article. A red "citation error" will be visible in the references which can help to locate the fragments. Otherwise what happens is a Bot comes along and adds back the source as can be seen in the history of [1]. This is one of the things that makes this type of clean up so labor intensive. I don't know if there is a work-around for this process. Netherzone (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Also here: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7] Netherzone (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Netherzone: that's actually somewhat intentional on my part, or at least I'm aware of it and don't mind that happening. I haven't bothered to purge material cited to unreliable sources bundled with reliable or unfamiliar sources. For now, I find it much faster and more efficient to edit based on reviewing the sources in the article without actually opening them. You seem to be much better (and more efficient) at examining what's inside of the sources than I am, so feel free to continue cleaning up in that manner so we can both utilize our strengths, so to speak. You can "follow me around", I wouldn't mind. Left guide (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't get it, the AnomieBOT just adds back the TFOI source (or other unreliable source) after you remove it. Netherzone (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Netherzone: No, the bot doesn't actually "add it back" in the way you seem to think it does. It simply rescues a copy of the full "parent" reference that was removed, and installs it into one of the remaining "child" reference copies to preserve the data. User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer is an explanatory bot subpage about that function. If it's still unclear to you, the folks at WP:Village pump (technical) can probably explain it better than I can. Left guide (talk) 20:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Netherzone: Ironically, the bot function you initially believed to be creating more work actually saves me a lot of extra time and work. It allows me to focus more fully on sources and content, and not waste needless time doing technical fixes. If I had to go back and retrieve the full references from article histories and restore the coding to a child citation manually, I'd be spending twice as much time on any affected article. I hope this is making sense to you, I don't want you to feel confused. Left guide (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the further information, Left guide, I appreciate it. I'll read up a bit more on the BOT, and have a look at the subpage. If I have additional questions I'll ask. Thanks also for suggesting the Village Pump which I don't think I had watchlisted so I miss discussions there. Seems like a good place to hang out now and then. Netherzone (talk) 15:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

Hi there. Hope you've been well. I just thought I'd point out, in response to this edit of yours, that I actually started a discussion about that very same concern yesterday at this location. Thought I'd give you a heads up on it since no one's responded there yet, and you seem to share the same concerns. That's all. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 16:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: hey thanks, yeah I was aware of your talk page post there but couldn't come up with a useful response. At first, I was thinking of reverting the partial restoration of disputed content, but after looking at the sources I think it's a WP:PRESERVE situation. Writing prose from sources takes more time and energy than I care to give. Feel free to do it yourself if you wish, or I might get to it at some point, but no guarantees. Left guide (talk) 16:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha. Personally, its the sort of article I'd normally redirect entirely, as there's almost no content about the song present, so we don't really need an article yet. But the song will almost certainly be notable soon if its not already - I expect it to shoot right up the charts - so I didn't feel like wasting time in that approach.

I totally get not wanting to fix yourself - the "fixing" requires pretty much redoing the entire article. I wasn't trying to ask you to do anything like that, I just hoped that you'd add to the consensus building efforts on the talk page, even if its short and brief. Sergecross73 msg me 16:58, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: Well the sources available seem sufficient for establishing notability, they just aren't being used optimally, but that's an article-writing problem not a notability problem; remember, we have WP:NEXIST. I'm not sure what I can meaningfully add to the article talk aside from what we're talking about here, but I suppose a link to this discussion would be helpful. Left guide (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I know, again, I'm not asking you to do anything to the article itself. I'm simply asking you to participate in the discussion because the tag you added was related to an active, ongoing discussion. Simply go to the article talk page and explain why you added the tag to the article. Sergecross73 msg me 17:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Breyers

Hello! Since you reviewed my initial edit request for the Breyers article at Talk:Breyers (as a reminder, I'm submitting a series of requests on behalf of the company), I was wondering if you might be interested in taking a look at my most recent request to improve part of the History section.

Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason (talk) 18:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason: Hello, that request is a bit more complicated than what I am typically comfortable dealing with, so will leave it for others in the community to review. Best, Left guide (talk) 01:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Not a problem, and thanks for letting me know! Take care, Inkian Jason (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about List of NBA career ejections leaders

Hello Left guide, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Thanks

Thank you for helping fix my edit on WP:ANI. I thought I hit "Reply" so it should have worked out correctly, but it didn't. I'll play around in the sandbox to see how replys work with bullet points. Closhund/talk/ 06:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Closhund: You're welcome. Not your fault though, because someone else put their own comment in between disrupting the original order. Another editor also did this, so you may want to check if everything still looks good from your vantage point. Left guide (talk) 06:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is the intended indentation. Thank you. Closhund/talk/ 06:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Closhund: No problem, glad to be of help. Cheers, Left guide (talk) 06:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Statue of Dirk Nowitzki

On 22 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Statue of Dirk Nowitzki, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that plans for a statue of Dirk Nowitzki to have three basketballs were scrapped? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Statue of Dirk Nowitzki. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Statue of Dirk Nowitzki), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Congrats. —Bagumba (talk) 02:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Nice work on this, LG! Congratulations! Netherzone (talk) 14:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Darnell Edge college career

Hello. I see that all of the college section except for the senior season has been wrongfully deleted. These were not added to solely “promote the subject” but to summarize his career in each season. I cited and referenced multiple sources and feel these have been wrongfully deleted. I would like to put these back up because not only did it take time to write, but these were also properly sourced and cited from publicly accessible sources. InfinitiBowie97 (talk) 04:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@InfinitiBowie97: Hello, Wikipedia articles are generally supposed to be based on sources that are independent of the subject, so if you would like to restore the material, please provide independent sources to cite on the article talk page at Talk:Darnell Edge and use {{edit COI}} for other neutral editors to review and possibly implement your requested edits. Thank you. Left guide (talk) 05:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the explanation. I’m afraid I don’t understand. The sources I provided are from Darnell’s stats and various digital newspaper articles. Are these not independent sources? I’ve also cited various online news articles throughout the article, similar to other wiki pages. InfinitiBowie97 (talk) 05:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@InfinitiBowie97: The material I removed in this edit was cited entirely to his school's website, which is not an independent source. It's not really appropriate for an encyclopedia article to be written like that. If reliable sources independent of his school didn't take notice of his freshman, sophomore, and junior seasons, then the encyclopedia shouldn't take notice of them either. One possible suggestion would be to find local reliable newspapers covering him, and use those to build the article. Further discussion should continue at the article talk page. Left guide (talk) 05:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I can understand how the sources from his schools website do not count. However, many of the sources that I cited were in fact from newspaper articles, such as within his junior season included an article from the New York Times would you omitted. So I believe those should still suffice. But I will, go through the instructions he provided, but I fear that most of the citations I will provide on the talk page are still going to be the same citations from at least the newspaper articles that I already provided that you omitted. InfinitiBowie97 (talk) 05:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@InfinitiBowie97: I did make a mistake in removing one source (junior season free throw award) because it was incorrectly labeled as "FDU Knights" even though it now appears to be an independent source upon closer examination. Sorry about that, I'll restore that one momentarily. Left guide (talk) 05:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate it :) I will work to rectify the other sources because I do hate to see hard work go down the drain, but I do understand further the guidelines. InfinitiBowie97 (talk) 05:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Interested in New Page Patrol?

Hello Left guide!

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Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around!

I noticed at AfD that you have a pretty good grasp of the rules and how sources work. If NPP is something you would be interested we could use a hand with the backlog. I did NPP School and I learned a lot and it made a much better editor. If you have any questions feel free to ping me. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)