Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tapuah junction stabbing

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The result was delete. Absolutely no reasons put forward why this is not a standard news item in a violent part of the world. No continuing news coverage past the couple of days after the event. This,as pointed out, is what WikiNews is for. Black Kite 01:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tapuah junction stabbing

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Why is this stabbing notable? Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Jmundo (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete:no more notable than any other violent incident in that region over the years. --Chuunen Baka (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.Why is this stabbing different from all the other stabbings? 1) it was perpetuated by a Palestinian Authority police officer, someone who was expected by the international community and Israel to defend Israel against these types of attacks. 2) the victim was an Druze soldier, not the typical victim. My opinions aside, this murder is unique as attested by the coverage given in realiable sources, which don't usually cover stabbings to this level. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 21:43, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These types of attacks? Wikipedia is really claiming that an attack on a soldier in occupied territory is a "terrorist" attack? Interesting. nableezy - 02:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:NOTNEWS. nableezy - 02:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is a serious incident that is likely to withstand a 10-years test. - BorisG (talk) 17:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Then why do all the sources come from within 1 day of the incident (every source is from either the 10th or the 11th of Feb)? nableezy - 18:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Brewbrewer. Ordinarily, a simple premeditated stabbing would not be significant, but this one is quite unique and involved a PA law enforcement officer murdering an Israel druze soldier in an unprovoked situation. --Shuki (talk) 22:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. —Shuki (talk) 22:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. -- Nableezy 23:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect with the appropriate Palestinian terrorism article. This hasn't yet proven that it satisfies WP:PERSISTENCE/WP:EFFECT, and claims otherwise are still speculative. THF (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - All of the above considered, put on Wikinews. I don't see anything that would meet WP:N outside of that. Shadowjams (talk) 08:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If Rachel Corrie has her own article I don't see why a Druze soldier getting murdered by a homicidal Palestinian isn't less defensible. Certainly there is enough sources to support it - Haaretz, Jerusalem Post, and it has been referenced by a variety of notable Palestinian and Israeli leaders. The event wasn't as publicized as other attacks and was virtually ignored by Europe and the USA, but in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict it has its place. The article is flawed and could use a re-title, like Killing of Rabbi Meir Hai. Wikifan12345 (talk) 07:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NOTNEWS. Wikifan, do you really need to be explained the difference between this and the Rachel Corrie story? Factsontheground (talk) 08:24, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It was a jest FOTG, relax. Terrorism in Israel is high-profile, unlike similar conflicts in Kashmir, Iraq, Chechnya, where war-of-attrition type conflict is rarely reported. this attack is significant, why else would heads of state not refer to it? Clearly this has a place on wikipedia. Wikifan12345 (talk) 08:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is an interesting one. It would appear that the criteria for establishing notability at Wikipedia:Notability (events) isn't met but the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (criminal acts) is. There seen to be little coverage of the event beyond the initial burst shortly afterwards but WP:N/CA only seems to require coverage of criminal acts to be from national/global sources which is the case here. It has been suggested by Shuki and others that the identify of the perpetrator is significant here but I would question that since the article itself says "Most of the fatal attacks in the West Bank in the years preceding the stabbing were carried out by members of Palestinian security forces" so that he was such an individual would seem less significant. I think Wikifan12345 's comparison with Rachel Corrie is a very poor one. The list of sources, both in terms of its extent and the period of time which is involved, in my view suggests it is a very different case. Adambro (talk) 08:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it is notable when a police chief murders a random citizen because of ethnic hatred. In answer to User:adambro's quesiton, the pbest comp is probably Yaakov Teitel. As someone says above, stuff that happens in Israel gets noticed.AMuseo (talk) 02:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Random citizen? A soldier in occupied territory is a random citizen? nableezy - 03:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. I see now that the man driving the car was a soldier. I thought he was a civilian driver. Nevertheless, this was not combat. It was an unprovoked attack on a man who was driving his car. By a police chief. That is unusual, notable, and shocking.AMuseo (talk) 04:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the soldier was killed in a battle, raid, of operation - it is unlikely it would be considered a terrorist attack. But murdering sleeping Israeli soldiers manning a negotiated check point is more than consistent with the long history of Palestinian terror exploits. One who is familiar with the history of terrorism knows what I'm talking about. Wikifan12345 (talk) 03:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Brewcrewer, Shuki. Notable regarding relationship between Israel and PA, terror attack, Druze soldiers, etc. Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Shuki.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - while Wikipedia is not news, this event is exceptional, demonstrated by coverage in reliable sources. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 15:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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