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::::::@[[User:AG202|AG202]]: The patrollers only need to take action when audio samples are incorrect. And hopefully only a small fraction of these ~12K happens to be incorrect. Yes, you mentioned some the systematic problems with the "super-" prefix, but hopefully the total number of them was not large enough to significantly contaminate the whole set and everything is not so dramatic. --[[User:Ssvb|Ssvb]] ([[User talk:Ssvb|talk]]) 06:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Ssvb|Ssvb]]: It was significant. I am one of the few who's actually taken the time to listen to a significant chunk of them, by going through the contributions list, and there were many issues. There's no way to know which ones are incorrect without listening to all of them. Calling it "dramatic" when you don't know the amount of time and effort I've put into this the past few months is an easy way to have me check out completely. CC: @[[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] [[User:AG202|AG202]] ([[User talk:AG202|talk]]) 14:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:AG202|AG202]]: I understand your frustration. But this topic had been created by a cowardly anonymous IP user, who was up to no good and never intended to suggest anything constructive, thus stirring an unnecessary "drama". It was pretty transparent, especially considering the added sexist insinuations that allegedly only simps would raise objections, etc.
::::::::Wiktionary is a collaborative effort. Both the contributors of audio samples and patrollers need to work together. Patrollers can't assume that all audios are going to be perfect. This is normal, especially when they are contributed by a teenager, who naturally has a smaller vocabulary due to younger age. Of course it would be nice to have more contributors from the older age group, but they tend to be more cynical and less enthusiastic. Some of them already had experience with the "dramas" like this and learned the hard way to avoid being in the spotlight. The current situation is unhealthy. It became so ridiculous, that even foreigners are trying to "help" by recording English audios themselves and even synthetic robotic audio samples are seriously suggested in BP discussions from time to time.
::::::::It's more productive to have a more friendly environment, which attracts more contributors, rather than scares them away. Good tutorials and sane policies help. Some of the commenters here have the same opinion. I think that [[Help:Audio]] can to be extended to mention the usefulness of dictionaries, best practices for the patrollers how to deal with problematic audio, describe the <code>|bad=</code> property of the {{tl|audio}} template and maybe other things. If we don't do this, then this discussion is a yet another nothingburger. Should I post a new topic with concrete proposals and initiate voting?
::::::::And again, I understand that you are fed up with this stuff and don't feel like patrolling audios anymore. And maybe I'm acting out of line proposing policy changes in this domain. I think that it's okay for you to maybe take a break until it becomes clear what works and what doesn't. --[[User:Ssvb|Ssvb]] ([[User talk:Ssvb|talk]]) 02:51, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Wonderfool made a sexual comment about me yesterday. He lost all of my respect. [[User:Flame, not lame|Flame, not lame]] ([[User talk:Flame, not lame|Don't talk to me.]]) 10:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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:From what was brought up in the discussion above, I gather that the insatisfaction towards you is actually due to Wiktionary’s convoluted audio review process. It’s normal to make the mistakes you’ve made, and your readiness to correct them is remarkable!
:Hopefully everyone will realize that the path to take is not by attacking you, but by bettering the project’s policies. [[User:Polomo47|Polomo47]] ([[User talk:Polomo47|talk]]) 16:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:: Agreed with the others above. Valuable contributions. And already improving methods to reduce any occasional flaws. Good work! [[User:Quercus solaris|Quercus solaris]] ([[User talk:Quercus solaris|talk]]) 20:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Audio whitelist ==
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I suggest creating a category for words that show different stress patterns in different didalects, such as ''ballet'' (BrE /ˈbæleɪ/ vs AmE /bæˈleɪ/) or ''peanut butter'' (BrE late-stressed vs AmE early-stressed.) [[User:JMGN|JMGN]] ([[User talk:JMGN|talk]]) 01:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Orthography of Istro-Romanian ==
Should Zvjezdana Vrzić's or August Kovačec's orthography of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istro-Romanian_language Istro-Romanian] be used or should both be employed? The former is modeled after [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian Serbo-Croatian], whereas the latter is modeled after [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language Daco-Romanian]. Native speakers and heritage speakers only use Vrzić's orthography.
Does each variant, based on one of these orthographies, have to be attested in the chosen orthography? [[User:HeliosX|HeliosX]] ([[User talk:HeliosX|talk]]) 03:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
: To search or compare attestations in the respective other othography is too much effort, more importantly would make Wiktionary inconsistent in its headwords. So just pick the Croatian orthography and convert Daco-Romanian spellings to it, you will have to cite the applied references to be accurate anyway. [[User:Fay Freak|Fay Freak]] ([[User talk:Fay Freak|talk]]) 04:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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