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Your change of Khasekhemwy's name from Khasekhem to Khasekhemwy, is incorrect as khasekhemwy was called Khasekhem prior to his reunification of Egypt after the political instability of the 2nd dynasty. [[User:Mrgengar81|Mrgengar81]] ([[User talk:Mrgengar81|talk]]) 2:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]]. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, [[:Temple in Jerusalem]], but you didn't provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]]. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|include a citation]] and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at [[Help:Referencing for beginners|referencing for beginners]]. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on [[User talk:Elizium23|my talk page]]. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-unsourced1 --> [[User:Elizium23|Elizium23]] ([[User talk:Elizium23|talk]]) 20:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:CITELEAD]] allows for such a lack of citations in the opening paragraphs of an article provided that the content in question is thoroughly cited in the body of the article. The Hebrew name of the structure is cited in the very first paragraph of the very first section of the article – next time, try scrolling down. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 20:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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but where you haven't added sources you need to, and note that our articles can't be used as sources. ~See also [[Help:Referencing for beginners]]. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 16:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Oh, alright [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 16:36, 9 March 2020 (UTC) |
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Hi, I see your edits to [[Sodom and Gomorrah]] have been reverted for weak reasons. A number of other people have added the same information to the page, only to have it deleted. I suggest you add your opinion to the discussion at the bottom of [[Talk:Sodom and Gomorrah]], and perhaps a consensus will emerge that the information can remain. [[User:Ar2332|Ar2332]] ([[User talk:Ar2332|talk]]) 21:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:Supporters of Creationism will of course want to use Creationist sources, even conference papers. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC) |
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:: {{ping|Doug_Weller}} Yeah I'm really not interested in making this the hill I die on. I thought something was a peer-reviewed paper, it wasn't, it got removed. I see no reason to try and make a case for it on the page. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 20:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC) |
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: 👍 [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC) |
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I saw some of your edits and you show knowledge of Bible scholarship. But does not mean that you would be exempted from [[WP:CITE|citing your sources]] for each and every claim you make. [[User:Tgeorgescu|Tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:Tgeorgescu|talk]]) 03:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC) |
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{{Ping|Huldra}} I've never even edited the page for this. Also, seriously? That little warning lede isn't fooling me. I put it the history of Nablusi soap and suddenly I'm a disruptor? I'm a propaganda machine? |
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Hello there, I see we share a common interest. It is nice to establish rapport, so if there is any topic we can work on together, let me know. [[User:Elias Ziade|el.ziade]] ([[User talk:Elias Ziade|talkallam]]) 09:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:As the text says: "It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." It is a standard template for anyone showing an interest in the IP-area on en.wp, thank you, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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: Please read [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]]. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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If you do; [[WP:AE]] is next, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 23:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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I noticed the edit summary of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shabbat&diff=next&oldid=1119476489 this revert] of yours, and I get that you have history with this editor, but this is unacceptable. Please becivil in the future, or simple refrain from editing. Thank you. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 23:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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Thank you. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 22:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{Ping|Debresser}} I invite you, then, to intercede on the proceeding matter, as my patience with this editor was exhausted several months ago. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 23:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::If you don't have a source, don't add it. Consider tagging it on the linked page as {{cn}} or if it's a [[WP:DOB]] issue, immediately remove it. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 18:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::: {{Ping|Toddst1}} My point is I ''have'' sources. How am I citing them on a page with no citations [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 18:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Shabbat]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. |
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::::Ah, Just add the source like you would in any other article. All of the DOTY pages have at least a few sources at this point. Here's the background: |
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::::The Days of Years (DOTY) pages were becoming a complete mess with incorrect and unverifiable info so things have changed so that all new entries require a direct source. |
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::::The DOTY project had exempted themselves from [[WP:V|verifiability]]. As a result, almost none of the pages had any sources to back things up, based on the naive (and [[WP:UGC|against Wikipedia policy]]) belief that all entries would be backed by reliable sources in the linked article. It turns out that was not the case and the DOTY pages were filled with incorrect info and even worse, other places started believing the info there and publishing the incorrect info in newspapers, for example on "Today's date in history" type listings. |
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::::So about two years ago the DOTY project took the bold step of requiring that all new entries be backed by direct reliable sources. Several of us have gone through and started cleaning things up. [[May 11]] is an example of where we want to be. For details see [[Wikipedia:Days_of_the_year#Direct_citations|the content guideline]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Days_of_the_year#Style|the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide]] or the edit notice on any DOY page. |
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::::We could use your help in: |
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::::#Preventing new entries that don't include direct sources and when they occur, either supplement them with a reliable source or reverting them. |
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::::#Heling us clean up articles. The project members have asked all participants to go through their birthday and clean the entries up by adding reliable sources to each entry, or removing entries where reliable sources aren't readily available. |
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::::I hope this helps. [[User:Toddst1|Toddst1]] <small>([[User talk: Toddst1|talk]])</small> 19:34, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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I did look for one at [[Zoara]] but the map there says possible only. After I reverted you I deleted the problematic text and posted to the talk page. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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: {{ping|Doug Weller}} Aiiie.... my mistake. TFLMK [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 19:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::Ok, some good may have come out of it that wouldn't have otherwise if it can be sourced. And someone who knows more than I do may make sure we spell the city names consistently. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:21, 30 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== [[Cave of the Patriarchs]] historicty == |
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The fact that Abraham, and his immediate relations, have no evidence of being actual people in history means they have no bones and SOMEWHERE in this article it must be mentioned. |
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So where?a |
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The lede would be best. We are not to deceive the readership into thinking the crypt contains bones of people that didn't exist. [[User:Alatari|Alatari]] ([[User talk:Alatari|talk]]) 02:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:'''I don't know what your deal is with the Cave but these edits are unnecessarily callous''' |
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Abraham has been found to be a literary construct after a hundred years of serious archeaology. The truth can be callous but we do not edit Wikipedia to preserve people's feelings. We put in the sourced evidence. There are no bones of Abaraham or Sarah to be found in that cave. |
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== Revision of my edit on the Phoenician Language == |
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Hey. I undid your recent edit because we ''just'' had an exhaustive attempted consensus process on that parenthetical on the Talk page. It raged on for days over the question of whether we should say 'Hebrew/Aramaic' or 'Aramaic/Hebrew'. Because this is such a controversial page, edits to the lead paragraph should generally go thru Talk. That's especially true when it's an edit to a sentence that has only in the past couple days been so contentious. Nothing personal: Those changes might have been unremarkable on a lower profile page. I just wanted to tell you why I reverted. [[User:Pathawi|Pathawi]] ([[User talk:Pathawi|talk]]) 15:40, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Good evening, |
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: It is basic Manual of Style that birth and death dates are parenthesized in the lede sentence following the subject. This applies to all pages regardless of profile and has nothing to do with the content you mention as undergoing “exhaustive” talk page discussion. Dates go in parentheses. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 15:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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would you clarify as to how the addition of northern Palestine as an area in which Phoenician was spoken was inaccurate? If there is aomething wrong with the source, please let me know, since i am still getting better at wikipedia edits. |
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:: Probably no one will object. The edit splash for this page has an Attention section that asks you to go thru the Talk page. You will probably get the outcome you want that way. [[User:Pathawi|Pathawi]] ([[User talk:Pathawi|talk]]) 15:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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Cheers [[User:Haditaha.z|Haditaha.z]] ([[User talk:Haditaha.z|talk]]) 00:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::Hey Zhomron, neither [[MOS:LEAD]] nor [[MOS:OPENPARABIO]] (the more specific guideline on this) says that dates ''must'' under all circumstances be put between parentheses. Rather, the MOS specifies that dates should usually be mentioned in the first sentence. It's common practice to do so by putting them in a parenthetical, but this is not something that is set in stone. In this case, by including the dates as well as the alternate names, the parenthetical would become overlong, rendering the opening sentence much more difficult to read. The current opening sentence was indeed crafted in part with readability in mind (see, e.g., [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jesus&diff=1021745762&oldid=1021742304 this comment]), so that should be taken into account. [[User:Apaugasma|Apaugasma]] ([[User talk:Apaugasma|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Apaugasma|contribs]]) 16:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{unblock reviewed|reason=I fail to see how the insertion of claims with appropriate (and trustworthy) citations is 'original research', nor do I see how correcting/conforming Hebrew transliterations to ISO 8859-8 (which is used across the site without issue) is original research. As for insulting editors, I can concede that calling someone a "genius" in an edit summary is a tad rude, but a 14-day ban for a singular insult seems a bit excessive. Then again, I'm not an admin, I don't know if there's some sort of mandatory minimum with this sort of thing, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 15:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)|decline=I think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hebrew_Bible&diff=prev&oldid=1039986979 this edit summary] might also not be considered [[WP:CIV|quite civil]], either. And I might be sympathetic to your complaint about the length of the block ... had you not already been blocked before. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 20:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)}} |
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I haven't looked at anywhere near all of your edit summaries, but here are some recent ones: |
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"Feck off." |
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"Final he is silent!!!" |
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"So it's not transliterated, super genius" - you weren't calling him a genius, you were insulting him - I'm not clear why you are trying to deny the obvious |
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"If you're going to restore the incorrect and awkward transliteration, the least you can do it make them correct. But no, that's too much, apparently" |
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As for original research, are you saying that the sources in your edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yahwism&diff=1039564925&oldid=1039492823 here] link the Torah to [[Yahwism]]? [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:Yes. To be honest, I thought that was already clear. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 17:31, 5 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::Specifically, you are saying they discuss Yahwism? [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 18:15, 6 September 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{Ping|Doniago}} I'm guessing you didn’t actually look at what was removed? If you did, I legitimately can’t see how you’re in favor of a random, unrelated, and poorly written section being smacked in the middle of an article. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 16:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::If that's your rationale, why not say so in the [[WP:ES|edit summary]]? I don't have an opinion beyond that you shouldn't be deleting substantial text without explanation unless it's obvious vandalism, which this isn't. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 20:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I'm of the opinion that reading is about as easy a thing to do as putting an edit summary. If you're too stubborn to do that much, you patently shouldn't be an editor. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 22:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Generally, that's an attitude which will get you banned. Wikipedia is about collaboration, and anything you do that presumes you can add to someone else's workload (hey, so I didn't tell you why I did it, you should figure it out based on what I changed), is not collaboration. [[User:Tarl_N.|<b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b>]] ([[User talk:Tarl N.#top|<span style="color:teal">discuss</span>]]) 22:45, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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::::More explicitly, you should be looking at every edit you make in terms of "What can I do to make the reviewers (plural) job easier?" If you take the attitude that your time is so much more important than theirs that it's not worth writing the words to justify your change, you are going to be in the perpetual trouble your talk page shows, until someone gets fed up and takes you to [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:Tarl_N.|<b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b>]] ([[User talk:Tarl N.#top|<span style="color:teal">discuss</span>]]) 22:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC) |
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: Reverting a single one of your edits once is not an edit war. If you shut down upon being prompted for evidence, your viewpoint is going to be disregarded. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 22:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::Please read [[WP:BRD]]. When you add text and someone removes it, the next stage is to discuss it on the article's talk page - '''NOT''' to undo the removal. [[User:Tarl_N.|<b style="color:green">Tarl N.</b>]] ([[User talk:Tarl N.#top|<span style="color:teal">discuss</span>]]) 22:52, 24 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Your recent edit at [[Yahweh]] == |
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Hi. On 19 October 2021, you made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yahweh&diff=1050727766&oldid=1050694046 this] edit to the above article, in which you reinserted an assertion which had previously been disputed, and which was subject to an ongoing discussion on the talk page. At the same time (and without any indication in your edit summary) you amended "is" to "resembles". I asked you to revert your edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yahweh&diff=1050750178&oldid=1050552945 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Yahweh&diff=1050754995&oldid=1050750178 here] I explained why I disagreed in particular with the change of "is" to "resembles". You have not replied to these comments. |
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The bulk of your edit (i.e. the previously disputed part) was reverted by [[User:Achar Sva|Achar Sva]]. I reverted the change of "is" to "resembles" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yahweh&diff=1051417672&oldid=1051411939 here]. You have just re-reverted with no edit summary [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yahweh&diff=1051653218&oldid=1051634257 here]. Per [[WP:BRDD]] you should not do this. This is particularly concerning, because I now see you were warned against edit warring on the same article three days ago. The source cited refers to "early biblical evidence for Yahweh as a storm-and warrior-god [sic]." Please now revert the edit and, if you really feel it necessary, take it to the talk page. [[User:Havelock Jones|Havelock Jones]] ([[User talk:Havelock Jones|talk]]) 21:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Edits to "Historicity of Muhammad" == |
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Hello. |
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Can you explain your reasoning as to why you keep undoing my edits to this page that involve the historicity of the Qur'an. I felt that the citations I used showed that my edits were reasonable and that there were flaws with the section as it was before I edited it. The information regarding the historicity of the Qur'an places a disproportionate amount of doubt on the use of the Qur'an as an historical source. For example, Michael Cook and Patricia Crone, two well known members of the Revisionist School of Islamic Studies, are used to argue for doubting the Qur'an as an historical source, yet neither of those two scholars hold those same views anymore (as my citations show). Crone has since died, but both of them have affirmed, more recently, that there isn't any significant level of doubt as to the Qur'an's authenticity in the historical community. Crone's online article titled "What do we actually know about Mohammed," (which can be found on OpenDemocracy.net) shows this fairly clearly as she summarizes the general state of Islamic Studies. Throughout my edits were citations that clearly showed that the general viewpoint of the Qur'an is that it is most likely authentic as to the words of Muhammad. The original writing also included few quotes of scholars discussing the general consensus on the Qur'an and instead selects individual opinions of a few scholars and uses them to portray the scholarly community as being much more divided on the issue of the historicity of the Qur'an than it really is.[[User:Renegade4dk|Renegade4dk]] ([[User talk:Renegade4dk|talk]]) 21:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello, Zhomron, I am new to Wikipedia editing so I apologize for anything I have done that seems unusual, isn't following some kind of policy, or appeared inconsiderate. That truly was not my intention. You said that I, "show a complete disregard for basic formatting." That may very well be true and, again, I apologize if that is the case. I am still learning. If you have any tips for me on how to improve my editing, feel free to give them to me. I hope that you have not been too annoyed by my editing to have a civil discussion on the talk page of "Historicity of Muhammad" about both of our concerns with the article. If you have any valuable insights to give me, I am open to learning them from you and if I have done something wrong I am more than willing to acknowledge it. I did not intend to cause a fight or any negative sentiments with my editing. Thank you for your time.[[User:Renegade4dk|Renegade4dk]] ([[User talk:Renegade4dk|talk]]) 06:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Renegade4dk}} No worries, and please don't take my comments as a sort of personal attack. While "complete disregard" may sound harsh - at the end of the day we were all new to the site at one point, and no one ever gets anywhere by bashing other users. Plus, having sincere dialogue is important for a collaborative project! |
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: As for the edits you've made, your sources and intentions are well defined, it's just a matter of inserting them properly. As you had them, all they did was restate what was already said in the prior sentences. Find a better way (or place,) to integrate them, and obviously replace things that don't harmonize with your point. As for the formatting, just be sure to preview your edits before you hit publish - everybody makes the mistake of accidentally removing some format text once in a while, but if you preview your edits, you can correct these mistakes before you even really make them! Good luck. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 17:21, 7 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:: Thanks for the tips! [[User:Renegade4dk|Renegade4dk]] ([[User talk:Renegade4dk|talk]]) 00:38, 8 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== 1rr == |
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You've violated the 1RR at [[Gaza City]], please self-revert. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 18:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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: Agh, forgot that page was under arbitration. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 18:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::You still need to self-revert. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 19:11, 11 November 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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::: oop [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 19:13, 11 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Raphael and Hezekiah edit: == |
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The Nīqqud for Raphael has a Shə'wa on the Resh, not a Tsere: |
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https://www.sefaria.org/I_Chronicles.26.7?with=all&lang=bi |
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The Shə'wa on Qoph in "Ḥīz'qīyyāhū" is also silent in accordance with the Tiberian Notation from which this pronounciation comes too. It would only be vocal if it was preceded by a long Chiriq-Yodh (not a short Chiriq) or if the Qoph was marked with Daghesh. Instead it marks the end of a syllable here, not a vowel. |
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I do not say this in an offensive tone so do not take it as such, but a portion of your edits concerning mine seem to stem from ignorance regarding the reasons I made them from what I've seen. [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 17:48, 21 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Brush up on your Hebrew == |
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You continue to change my edits yet can't seem to understand how Niqqudoth even work. Please tell me when has Tsērē ever been pronounced as "ə"? You have changed this in Raphael (which is vowelised with a Shə'wa pronounced as ă in Tiberian) and have yet again incorrectly transliterated the name Sandalphon. You can't seem to grasp the concept of a silent shə'wa either. You have also changed edits which had their source provided in citation. |
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Read up on Tiberian Hebrew too, you clearly have no understanding of it. I'd highly recommend Geoffrey Khan's books on the matter, though the page here on Wikipedia is a wonderful resource too. A peek there would even tell you how wrong you are concerning the Tiberian vocalisation. [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 13:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== You remove my reconstruction yet create your own? == |
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I noticed you provided the Phoenician reconstruction of King Hiram I's name without any source? Where is your source that this was ever 𐤇𐤓𐤌 Ḥirōm? [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 13:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{re|BlackDragonCasimir}} You need some time out. Use it to read [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:OR]] ''thoroughly''. Then read them both again. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 13:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|tgeorgescu}} Much appreciated. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 18:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== I checked your link in citation for the reconstruction 𐤇𐤓𐤌 Ḥirōm. == |
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This provides no source for such a pronounciation either. In neither the MT or Cuneiform transliteration contemporary with the King's Time, no such pronounciation is found. The Phoenician King Hiram II of Tyre (8th Century B.C.E.) is recorded as a tributary to the Assyrian King Tiglath-Pileser III. In this record he is referred to as: 𒄭𒊒𒌝𒈬 Ḥi-ru-um-mu. Showing the root Rūm being preserved in pronounciation. Though you removed my reconstruction of Jeremiah based on actual historical comparison from similar names who's vowelisation was later changed. [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 13:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|BlackDragonCasimir}} Your original research is banned by website policy. Please read [[WP:V]]. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 13:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{re|BlackDragonCasimir}} Though tgeorgescu has already covered this, let me explain this. Hiram is from ''Ahiram'' – my brother is exalted. The word is ''ram'', not ''rum''. This was hypocrised to ''Hiram''. There is evidence, primarily in Akkadian transcriptions, that in later times, Phoenician underwent a similar vowel shift to Hebrew, such that ā became ō. Thus, ''Hirām'' became ''Hirōm'', which was then copied into Akkadian transcription as ''Hirûm(u)''. Akkadian transcriptions have been used to reconstruct a number of phonetic changes in several Semitic languages, like Egyptian, Edomite, and even Philistine. These, have sources behind them. You, on the other hand, just add an <nowiki>{{efn}}</nowiki> which copy-pastes a bunch of unrelated nonsense from God-knows-where. Your intents are noble and I appreciate your wont to improve the pages, but you are not only fundamentally mistaken on how transliteration (as well as the ISO Wikipedia uses) works, but you lack the actual understanding behind these claims. Just take a break. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 18:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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I am well aware of the name's origin and meaning. There are many examples of the word Ram as Rum however, in this form with either a Waw or Yodh acting as Mater lectionis however. The two letters often being interchangeable historically. Hence why we can also see the Babylonian pronounciation of Jeremiah "Yirimyahu". I also referred to the Manuscripts from which this Babylonian Notation can be found, but that was ignored too. Here are some examples of the forms Rum and the word Yarum: |
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https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7311.htm |
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https://biblehub.com/hebrew/yarumu_7311.htm |
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My work and research actually has a reasoning behind it believe it or not. |
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In regards to transliteration however, I find it hilarious that you even try to say this. You can't even read the niqqudoth properly yet say I'm mistaken on transliteration. That seems the case from what I've seen anyway. I mean fair enough when it comes to disputing a reconstruction (everything else had a proper source though), but you continously reverted changes regarding the Tiberian pronounciation when you clearly have no clue about it out of your own ignorance. I referred to my sources and wrote each citation by hand from my own words. In all honesty however I have little interest in further editing, so yes I will take that break. Most of my work will be removed due to ignorance and arrogance anyway. |
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See ya! [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 20:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|BlackDragonCasimir}} {{tq|My work and research actually has a reasoning behind it believe it or not.}} — the problem being that Wikipedia has no respect for your work, or my work, or Zhomron's work. If a full professor has not asserted it as fact, we don't need your own research. As an Wikipedian, you are valued for your ability to [[WP:CITE]] [[WP:SOURCES]] for everything you add to Wikipedia. Your own judgment or your own research won't do: they are banned by the website policy [[WP:NOR]]. [[User:tgeorgescu|tgeorgescu]] ([[User talk:tgeorgescu|talk]]) 21:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{re|BlackDragonCasimir}} My guy. It’s not my fault you can’t tell the difference between a tzere and a shwa. We have a page on each of the niqqud. Read up. Also, ''rām'' has neither a yodh or a waw. It’s just resh and mem. רם. That’s it. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 22:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC) |
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You're making a fool of yourself and showing your ignorance even more. This is רְ with shə'wa (Modern: ə, Tiberian: ă) and this is רֵ with tsere (ē). If you check the edit history on the page for Raphael you can clearly see that it is you who cannot tell the difference. The edit history is a clear witness to this. Perhaps you should read up on those niqqud pages yourself. You also continue to vocalise shə'wa when it should be silent in Tiberian Hebrew as can be seen in the edit history of Hezekiah. If you would even check on the page concerning the Tiberian vocalisation that is also on here, you can see the rules regarding shə'wa and it's proper pronounciation. |
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You should also see Psalms 46:10, 12:8, 21:13, 57:5, 57:11, 108:5, 89:13, 89:17, 89:24, 112:9, 18:46, 13:2, 27:6, 61:2, 66:7, 89:16 & 140:8, Ezekiel 10:16, Deuteronomy 17:20, Proverbs 21:4 & 11:11, 2 Samuel 22:47, Isaiah 38:18, 52:13 & 49:11 for the form רוּם. |
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See Isaiah 14:13 & 49:22, 40:9 & 62:10, Psalm 75:6-7, 110:7 & 113:7 among many other examples I could give yet don't currently have the time to regarding the form רִים. |
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You best get reading. [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 02:19, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Here is some information regarding shə'wa in Tiberian Hebrew specifically: |
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https://www.tiberianhebrew.com/shewa [[User:BlackDragonCasimir|BlackDragonCasimir]] ([[User talk:BlackDragonCasimir|talk]]) 02:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC) |
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== Serpent (symbolism) == |
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You are correct. My mistake. [[User:Editor2020|Editor2020]] ([[User talk:Editor2020|talk]]) 20:32, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Editor2020}} No worries. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 20:33, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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: {{Re|GordonGlottal}} That you fail to grasp basic rules within the Hebrew language is not my problem. That you fail to use your eyes to view the content removed and prefer to simply see the bolded red number next to the edit log and a lack of edit reason is, likewise, not my problem. You have demonstrated you do not understand the ISO system which Wikipedia uses site-wide to romanize and/or transliterate Hebrew words, and it is not my responsibility to bring these things to your attention beyond the first transgressions, these are things you can reasonably be expected to learn on your own. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 00:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::You have never, despite repeated requests, explained your edits as required or pointed to the policy you say demands them. You have repeatedly removed cited content without explanation and personally attacked other editors, including with profanity. You have introduced errors into several pages without explaining your edits. These actions fall under [[WP:VD]]. [[User:GordonGlottal|GordonGlottal]] ([[User talk:GordonGlottal|talk]]) 00:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::If you want me to explain the grammar to you, the place for that is the talk page. [[User:GordonGlottal|GordonGlottal]] ([[User talk:GordonGlottal|talk]]) 00:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Hebrew word for "Tradition" == |
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Do you know the Hebrew word for "tradition"? As in the Sephardic tradition or Yemeni tradition. I think there is a Wikipedia article but can't remember it. Thanks! [[User:Editor2020|Editor2020]] ([[User talk:Editor2020|talk]]) 02:31, 24 January 2022 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Editor2020}} [[Minhag]] has subpages for Sephardic textual tradition, at least, and also linked there is one page for Yemenite prayer custom, albeit only prayer custom. Is that what you were looking for? [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 13:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC) |
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::Thanks!! Thats the one. [[User:Editor2020|Editor2020]] ([[User talk:Editor2020|talk]]) 14:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC) |
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==Prophets in Mandaeism== |
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Adam, Abel, Seth, Enos, Noah, Shem, Aram, and John the Baptist are revered but only Adam, Seth, Noah, Shem and John the Baptist are considered prophets in [[Mandaeism]]. [[Template:Mandaeism]] in the prophets section clearly shows this. Abel and Enos are [[Abel#Mandaean_interpretation|Hibil Ziwa]] and [[Enos_(biblical_figure)#In_Mandaeism|Anush Uthra]] in Mandaeism and are [[uthra]]s meaning angels or guardians, but not prophets. Aram is an ancestor for Mandaeans and is revered since he is Shem's son, but he is not considered a prophet. Hope this clears things up. [[User:Mcvti|Mcvti]] ([[User talk:Mcvti|talk]]) 23:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC) |
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==Phoenician vocalizations== |
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I think it’s cool that you’re attempting to vocalize Phoenician inscriptions, but original research doesn’t belong on Wikipedia. Because such reconstructions are always hypothetical, it’s better to stick to a transliteration of the consonantal text as it appears in the inscription. I’m also not sure how you’re arriving at your vocalizations. You seem to be directly lifting from transliterations of arbitrarily selected Tiberian Hebrew forms more often than not, and others just seem like guesses. With regards to the Ahiram sarcophagus, note that the spelling of 3ms perfect verbs such as ʿly with final -y is usually taken as evidence that word-final short vowels were preserved in Old Byblian. This would also imply a retention of case vowels on nouns, perhaps with the exception of bound forms. A plausible reconstruction would look something like: |
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::ʾarōnu zū paʿala ʾittubaʿlu bin ʾaḥīramu milk gubla li-ʾaḥīrami ʾabīhū ka-šatihū bi-ʿōlami |
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::wa-ʾillū milku bi-milakīma wa-sōkinu bi-sōkinīma wa-tōmiʾ maḥnūti ʿalaya |
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::gubla wa-yiglē ʾarōna zīna tiḥtasip ḥuṭr mišpaṭihū tihtapik |
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::kissiʾ mulkihū wa-nūḥatu tibraḥ ʿalē gubla wa-hūʾa yamḥē siprahū [ . . . ] |
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I won't go over the entire Pyrgi Tablets, but here are a few corrections: |
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::li-rabbāt li-ʿaštart ''not'' lerabat līʿAštart |
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::ʾašār qadōš ʾazū ʾiš pāʿal ''not'' ʿašer qadōš ʾeze, ʾeš pōʿal |
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::bi-yarḥ zabḥ šamš ''not'' bīyīraḥ Zībōḥ Šamš |
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::šanōt kamō hakkōkabīm ''not'' šant kem hakokūbīm |
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::bi-yōm qabr ʾilīm ''not'' bīyōm qabr ʿīlēm |
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I’d stress that even if we can identify the etymologically correct forms, the vocalization is still entirely hypothetical. It’s possible, for instance, that ō and ā would have been realized as ū and ō in the dialect underlying the Pyrgi Tablets, as they were in later Punic. Anyways, you should probably acquaint yourself with the literature and work on gaining a better understanding of Semitic historical linguistics before attempting to do something like this yourself. I’d recommend checking out Holger Gzella’s work on Phoenician. [[User:Rhemmiel|Rhemmiel]] ([[User talk:Rhemmiel|talk]]) 17:52, 10 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:: {{re|Rhemmiel}} Yeah I'll admit the Pyrgi page I was just completely out of it and for some reason I didn't just remove myself from the situation. Thanks. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 17:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::: {{re|Zhomron}} We’ve all been there. Good luck in your studies. [[User:Rhemmiel|Rhemmiel]] ([[User talk:Rhemmiel|talk]]) 18:08, 10 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== ''Usur'' vs. ''uṣṣur'' == |
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Hi. I don't dispute your linguistic knowledge but I think we need another source than the one currently used at [[Belshazzar]] if we're going with ''uṣṣur'' rather than ''usur''. There is also no going around that ''usur'' is more common in [[WP:RS]]. This also has broader implications since I assume this holds for other figures like [[Nebuchadnezzar II]] as well? [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 15:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC) |
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: {{Re|Ichthyovenator}} I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is ''ṣ'' vs. ''s''. With that said the doubling of the fricative seems to be... vague. Some sources do it, others don't - and likely because most sources simply transliterate the individual signs which comprise the word, as opposed to attempting to replicate the vocalized pronunciation of the terms, i.e. think [[Sennacherib]] being glossed as ''Sîn-ahhī-erība'' instead of ''Zu.en-ah-eri-ba'', yet both being technically correct. I'll look for some more sources. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 15:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:: From personal experience while writing Mesopotamian articles I've seen both ''usur'' and ''uṣur'' but I can't recall seeing ''uṣṣur''. In any case I think we should go with the most common transliteration (whichever that ends up being) and that it's applied consistently. Let me know if you find more sources. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 16:03, 15 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Interesting discussion -- grammatically it should be spelled with one ṣ. My guess is some use two just to match up with the [[Biblical Hebrew|BH]] spelling. [[User:GordonGlottal|GordonGlottal]] ([[User talk:GordonGlottal|talk]]) 20:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Caution: re your attitude == |
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In the past few months, along with many constructive edits, you've introduced errors into [[Hallelujah]], into [[Kol Nidre]], into [[Hazael]], into [[Jeroboam]], into [[Belshazzar]], into [[Chedorlaomer]], into [[Athaliah]], and more. I and other editors have spent a lot of time trying to explain to you the various rules of which you were ignorant (schwa between two of the same letter, qre/ktiv, schwa following a short vowel, etc.). What bothers me is that your confidence has never faltered. You've never realized that you aren't actually an expert, that your amateurism means you will occasionally make mistakes and be corrected, and that when I revert you, it isn't because I'm on a personal crusade. Keep an open mind and you can learn a lot on here (I have). If a more knowledgeable editor reverts you and you don't understand their summary, try tagging them on the talk page and asking for a more detailed explanation. You won't (and shouldn't want to) win by force. I and many other editors have told you this before. I hope you keep editing boldly. [[User:GordonGlottal|GordonGlottal]] ([[User talk:GordonGlottal|talk]]) 01:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Response concerning [[Rʻuth-Assor]] == |
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Hi. As I've said many times before I do not doubt that you are knowledgeable about ancient languages and I respect the work you put in. This being said, I think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R%CA%BButh-Assor&diff=1074703429&oldid=1074688866 this] edit summary was unnecessarily rude ("all you need to do is look at the actual name", "it's using eyes"). Only a small amount of people are proficient in a language as specific as ancient Hatran Aramaic. Also re "all you need is a font", most people won't have an extra font installed and it will just look like a bunch of boxes, why have both the text and an image when the image does the trick? |
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I also think your persistent edits introducing uncited names to various articles, something this talk page attests to having been brought up against you several times, is not really in-line with Wikipedia policy. The names you add may well be correct but given that most Wikipedia editors are not proficient in these ancient languages they are impossible to verify. Taking [[Rʻuth-Assor]] as an example, Aggoula (1985) is an academic source which gives the rendition ''rḥt’sr''. You claiming this is wrong and adding ''r‘wt’sr'' needs a source that confirms that transliteration - the source you added does not (it includes the Aramaic characters and the page cited renders the name as the full ''Rʻūṯ’assor''). This ''is'' [[WP:OR]] because you've either added your ''own'' reading of the Aramaic characters or your ''own'' shortened version of ''Rʻūṯ’assor''. Consequently, I have reverted you again. I respect your knowledge of the subject but I trust an academic source over you saying that it's wrong and I am not interested in edit-warring concerning this - if this persists I will raise this issue and the past issues at [[WP:ANI]] for arbitration. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 18:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:To add on to this: what is your source for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arda-Mulissu&diff=next&oldid=1073961390 this]? The unicode version of Akkadian also uses archaic cuneiform signs that would not have been in use during Arda-Mulissu's lifetime, which is the reason why a lot of the articles use image files instead of text for the cuneiform renditions. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 19:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:: {{re|Ichthyovenator}} [http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/saao/saa06/P335148/ 694-VII-12/ADD 0201/SAAO/SAA06 103; line 4.] [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 19:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::: {{re|Zhomron}} Yes, but this only gives the signs (not how they looked like). These signs would not have been written in this way 𒀴𒊩𒌆𒆤 in Arda-Mulissu's time. The addition should also have been sourced. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 19:56, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Article [[Yahwism]] - transition from Yahwism to 2nd temple Judaism == |
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Zhomron,I'm sorry that I keep reverting your attempts to add information on this, but it's simply from concern for a good article, not because I'm innately hostile. I started a section on the Talk page but so far you haven't responded. Let's have a discussion, and draw in other editors.[[User:Achar Sva|Achar Sva]] ([[User talk:Achar Sva|talk]]) 06:03, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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: {{re|Achar Sva}} I appreciate your concern – and don't worry, I never for a second believed there was any kind of ulterior motive behind your edits. I hadn't even noticed the undos or the talk page, if you give me a little while I'll jump on and we can have that discussion. Thanks for your courtesies. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 16:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Hanunu == |
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Hello Zhomron, I just wanted to let you know concerning [[Hanunu]] that you can't use AD/BC and CE/BCE together in an article per [[WP:BCE]]. The era-style must be consistent within an article. I would recommend CE/BCE since the subject predates the existence of Christianity. Also, could you add a citation to the final paragraph. Thank you, cheers! [[User:Jerm|Jerm]] ([[User talk:Jerm|talk]]) 01:33, 19 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Hi. It's easy. Cf. {{lang-mdf|белек|belek}} and [[Belyak (unit)]] + [[:wiktionary:ـجی|chi]] = kind of [[Governor]]. The same way as [[:wiktionary:ایل|el]] + [[:wiktionary:ـجی|chi]] = ''envoy, ambassdor''. Cf. [[Mari El]]. I know more. I need help with [[Burtas]], [[Mokshas]].----[[User:Numulunj pilgae|Numulunj pilgae]] ([[User talk:Numulunj pilgae|talk]]) 14:51, 29 March 2022 (UTC) |
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== Misunderstandings == |
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With all due respect, please read more on Mesopotamian deities before embarking on an edit spree in the deity list article. For example, KA.DI is not a name, it's a logogram whose reading is Ishtaran, not a name in its own right. Nintinugga, Ninkarrak and Ninisina are separate deities, not some sort of triple name. Also, nobody spells Nanaya as Nana'a, you will generally find "Nanaya" in English and "Nanaja" in German in the overwhelming majority of credible publications from the past 30 years or so, such as [[Reallexikon der Assyriologie und Vorderasiatischen Archäologie|Reallexikon der Assyriologie]]. [[User:HaniwaEnthusiast|HaniwaEnthusiast]] ([[User talk:HaniwaEnthusiast|talk]]) 20:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== Books published by [[AuthorHouse]] == |
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should never be used as a source as it is a self-publisher. Thanks. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 15:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:Ah, understood. I saw the warning prior to publishing the edit, but I thought it was a false positive when I saw the sources were all Google Books citations. I guess I need to actually go to the cited work itself to see. Thanks! [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 15:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC) |
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::Google books and Google scholar both contain a lot of rubbish. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 16:01, 23 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Fair enough! [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 16:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== IRR breach == |
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You are in breach of 1RR restriction at [[Sebastia, Nablus]], kindly self revert and discuss at the talk page as you were asked to do. Thank you. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 14:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC) |
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: The undo is on [[Samaria (ancient city)]], not the page for Sebastia. No such ruling regarding 1RR exists for a redirect page – especially not a redirect which was the result of a malformed, improper merge. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 14:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::A redundant fork at Samaria (ancient city) has been created, all the content of any importance there is already present in Sebastia Nablus. An uncontroversial merge that took place without any objection 6 months ago has been undone, a merge that has implied consensus anyway. Afaics, that is nothing but disruptive and I think I will perhaps take it to AE in any case based on that as well as the failure to follow [[WP:BRD]] and regardless whether that is technically a 1RR or not. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 15:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Feel free to take this to Arbitration, I'm the one following the proper procedure here. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 15:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC) |
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::::I have proposed the merge formally. Thank you for your attention. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 15:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Translation error on [[Maimonides]] == |
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Hey, I noticed that you translated "Abu Imran" as "Father of Amram" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maimonides&diff=1114651225&oldid=1113255606&diffmode=source here], when it should be "whose father was Amram". This is an odd sort of nickname/kunya which references the Biblical Moses' father Amram, very commonly applied to people named Moses with no regard to the actual names of their fathers or sons. [[User:GordonGlottal|GordonGlottal]] ([[User talk:GordonGlottal|talk]]) 04:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC) |
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:I don't doubt your accuracy but, do you have any source to back that up? ''Abu'' literally means "Father of", there's no translation of the term which can be read "whose father is", and I'm unfamiliar with any trend of the Arabic name Moses being prefaced like that. The only other one I can find on Wikipedia is [[Abu Imran al-Fasi]], but I have no idea who that is or what his children were named. Like I said, I'm sure you're correct, but I just wanna be able to back that up with a source. [[User:Zhomron|Zhomron]] ([[User talk:Zhomron#top|talk]]) 22:32, 29 December 2022 (UTC) |
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October 2022
[edit]Your change of Khasekhemwy's name from Khasekhem to Khasekhemwy, is incorrect as khasekhemwy was called Khasekhem prior to his reunification of Egypt after the political instability of the 2nd dynasty. Mrgengar81 (talk) 2:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
September 2022
[edit]Hello, I'm Elizium23. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Temple in Jerusalem, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 20:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- WP:CITELEAD allows for such a lack of citations in the opening paragraphs of an article provided that the content in question is thoroughly cited in the body of the article. The Hebrew name of the structure is cited in the very first paragraph of the very first section of the article – next time, try scrolling down. Zhomron (talk) 20:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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Be civil
[edit]I noticed the edit summary of this revert of yours, and I get that you have history with this editor, but this is unacceptable. Please becivil in the future, or simple refrain from editing. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 23:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Debresser: I invite you, then, to intercede on the proceeding matter, as my patience with this editor was exhausted several months ago. Zhomron (talk) 23:41, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
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Samaritan Torah
[edit]See Talk page for a possible solution to the reference to this in the Torah article.Pngeditor (talk) 20:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Revision of my edit on the Phoenician Language
[edit]Good evening, would you clarify as to how the addition of northern Palestine as an area in which Phoenician was spoken was inaccurate? If there is aomething wrong with the source, please let me know, since i am still getting better at wikipedia edits. Cheers Haditaha.z (talk) 00:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
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. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Translation error on Maimonides
[edit]Hey, I noticed that you translated "Abu Imran" as "Father of Amram" here, when it should be "whose father was Amram". This is an odd sort of nickname/kunya which references the Biblical Moses' father Amram, very commonly applied to people named Moses with no regard to the actual names of their fathers or sons. GordonGlottal (talk) 04:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- I don't doubt your accuracy but, do you have any source to back that up? Abu literally means "Father of", there's no translation of the term which can be read "whose father is", and I'm unfamiliar with any trend of the Arabic name Moses being prefaced like that. The only other one I can find on Wikipedia is Abu Imran al-Fasi, but I have no idea who that is or what his children were named. Like I said, I'm sure you're correct, but I just wanna be able to back that up with a source. Zhomron (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2022 (UTC)