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I've moved this article to draftspace as it's not ready for the mainspace and can't be worked on by the creator due to a contentious topics restriction. CoconutOctopus talk 22:32, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title?

I am not enamored with the title of this article. Perhaps something a bit more encyclopedic like Middle East Crisis of 2023-2024? Suggestions welcome. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Using the word Spillover would be an obvious propaganda, overtly politcal, OR, and bias magnet par excellence. It would open the article up to anyone's published opinions about cause and effect.

It reminds me of the name options when the China–United States trade war article was started. There were fewer non-tobloid stories that referred to it as a "war." In fact, most U.S. political leaders, including then President Trump, Peter Navarro, Jamie Dimon or China's President Xi Jinping, said it was not a war, but a dispute. For the same reason, I question the purpose of WP prematurely promoting it as a "Crisis," for the entire Middle East.

It's worth noting that soon after N. Korea started testing missiles in 2017, UK tabloids (i.e., Express, The Sun, Daily Star, Mirror, Independent, etc.) published multiple news stories about it with "World War 3" in their headlines. Light show (talk) 21:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Light show in saying that, if we consider "spillover" to be too presumptive or unsubstantiated, than we would reach that same conclusion for replacing spillover with "crisis". I might support something more along the lines of "Middle East conflicts of 2023-2024". 2G0o2De0l (talk) 02:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going too deep into posting citations here to avoid falling foul of any rules, but I notice that news outlets across the political spectrum and throughout all the major geopolitical actors are using terms such as "Middle East war" or "Middle East crisis" or "Middle East conflict". Biden himself used the term "Middle East conflict" according to AlJazeera. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 08:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I've seen the term "Middle East crisis" or variations in multiple reputable sources which I will link herefore. As Light show said, "Spillover" makes a judgement necessarily connecting these disparate events to the war in Gaza. Yes you could construe it that way, but in my opinion if one were to have any opinion regarding the relations it would moreso be "opportunism" than direct "spillover of an existing war" into newer areas.

Sources using the term "Middle East crisis":

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/04/middle-east-crisis-live-us-and-uk-hit-dozens-of-houthi-targets-across-yemen-in-new-wave-of-strikes

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/03/world/us-strikes-israel-hamas-news

https://www.npr.org/series/1205445976/middle-east-crisis

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-middle-east-is-bidens-worst-crisis-jordan-strike-iran-red-sea-war-9b2e473b

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/03/how-joe-biden-plans-counter-iran-solve-middle-east/

https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/01/iran-is-at-the-centre-of-middle-east-crisis/

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/world/first-american-troops-killed-in-middle-east-crisis/clrxud4do002j0jmoxyalszd8

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145487

And so on and so on. I think it's quite definitive from the evidence that the title should be changed. AsyarSaronen (talk) 11:42, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :I agree with Light show in saying that, if we consider "spillover" to be too presumptive or unsubstantiated, than we would reach that same conclusion for replacing spillover with "crisis". I might support something more along the lines of "Middle East conflicts of 2023-2024". [[User:2G0o2De0l|2G0o2De0l]] ([[User talk:2G0o2De0l|talk]]) 02:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 :I am not going too deep into posting citations here to avoid falling foul of any rules, but I notice that news outlets across the political spectrum and throughout all the major geopolitical actors are using terms such as "Middle East war" or "Middle East crisis" or "Middle East conflict". Biden himself used the term "Middle East conflict" according to AlJazeera. [[User:CollationoftheWilling|CollationoftheWilling]] ([[User talk:CollationoftheWilling|talk]]) 08:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
+:'''Agree.''' I've seen the term "Middle East crisis" or variations in multiple reputable sources which I will link herefore. As Light show said, "Spillover" makes a judgement necessarily connecting these disparate events to the war in Gaza. Yes you could construe it that way, but in my opinion if one were to have any opinion regarding the relations it would moreso be "opportunism" than direct "spillover of an existing war" into newer areas.
+:Sources using the term "Middle East crisis":
+:https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/feb/04/middle-east-crisis-live-us-and-uk-hit-dozens-of-houthi-targets-across-yemen-in-new-wave-of-strikes
+:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/03/world/us-strikes-israel-hamas-news
+:https://www.npr.org/series/1205445976/middle-east-crisis
+:https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-middle-east-is-bidens-worst-crisis-jordan-strike-iran-red-sea-war-9b2e473b
+:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/03/how-joe-biden-plans-counter-iran-solve-middle-east/
+:https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/01/iran-is-at-the-centre-of-middle-east-crisis/
+:https://www.9news.com.au/videos/world/first-american-troops-killed-in-middle-east-crisis/clrxud4do002j0jmoxyalszd8
+:https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145487
+:And so on and so on. I think it's quite definitive from the evidence that the title should be changed. [[User:AsyarSaronen|AsyarSaronen]] ([[User talk:AsyarSaronen|talk]]) 11:42, 4 February 2024 (UTC)