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Just wanting to say

I edited out the "more often than not, the evidence points to Zorc" thing because in the manga, there's actually more proof that he's a composite of Zorc and Theif Bakura (Ex: Parasite Mind Bakura of the Millenium Puzzle does say he's a part of Zorc, and yet later on he talks about the Dark Bakura of the Millenium Ring and refers to him as "the thief's soul".)

I do agree with "Given how both the anime and the manga give conflicting evidence about his identity and never clearly states with 100% assurance whether the soul in the Ring is Thief King Bakura or Zorc Necrophades, it's impossible to say for certain who Dark Bakura truly is." but I think that it should be left at that rather than saying which argument seems closer to the truth, since that's just an opinion and not fact.

The anime says he's Zorc (or at least a combination of some sort). In the episode where Yami Yugi and Yami Bakura abandon their positions at the diorama table and enter the game world (I believe it was 217), Yami Yugi says something to the effect of, "Kisama... yahari, Zorc!" ("As I thought, you're Zorc!") This is then reinforced by the superimposition of the image of Zorc's face on Yami Bakura's face. -KE

In the English Anime, Yami Bakura actually says "Zorc and I are one and the same!". So, at least in the English version, Yami Bakura is Zorc. Ggctuk 12:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just found this here:

http://www.yu-jyo.net/005/217.html - Episode 217 English/Japanese comparison

Bakura says he doesn't need this body any more. He'll return to his original form. Now doesn't that say something when he combines with Zorc? Ggctuk 11:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of Zorc: think it's worth mentioning that in the manga, the boss in Monster World is named Lord Zorc (at least in the English translation)?

Combine that with the fact that Yugi and Bakura's first battle is an RPG and final battle is an RPG... Ggctuk 14:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can Zorc Necrophades stop leading here? Ggctuk 13:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should go here--Tempest115 00:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

just wanted to say... Ryou's technically not the antagonist. it's Yami Bakura or Dark Bakura that's evil... I feel kind of mean seeing that the little angel's called the bad guy just because his darker side is evil... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catt002 (talk • contribs) 02:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name Dispute?

Isn't his name technically Ryou Bakura and not Ryo Bakura? Since Ryo is actually spelled in the Shounen Jump manga for the purpose that the readers don't pronouce his name "reeyoo". I've mostly seen it spelled Ryou and not Ryo, but I do know for a fact that in the Shounen Jump manga his name is spelled Ryo. Am I wrong?

It seems to be the same in Fruits Basket's character Sohma(sp?) Kyou, in the translation his name is spelled Kyo, but his name is really Kyou.

We use the official Viz translation of the name and nothing else. Geg 15:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Characters should be called what the series officially states their romaji names as. If that does not exist, use what they are named in the most recent or popular English translation, if it exists, isn't egregiously bad, and is the generally-used name (a google test is appropriate here). Otherwise, use a literal transliteration." (from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga) The series (as in the japanese) stats his romaji as Ryou doesn't it? And isn't Ryou also the generally-used name?

What does the anime say? Sometimes there are scenes in the anime where the characters name is spelt out, does the english sub of the YGO anime use either of his names? Or does it just stick to bakura and bakura only? --`/aksha 07:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Different version

The problem with Yami Bakura a.k.a King of Thieves a.k.a Zorc the devil is, that his backround story is very different from the manga to the animated series.

1.MANGA-Version Bakura is an "Innocent"-child in a city that is exclusively governed by thieves. In order to create the Millennium items it needs the souls of 99 dead people. The Pharaoh (Yami Yugi's father) made the statement that all people should be executed in the city to produce the necessary sacrifices on the one hand. On the other, to make Ägytpten sauber from thieves. A bloody massacre! Bakura is the only survivor and swears vengeance! Later, the Pharaoh died of disgust when he hears how the Millennium items was created. Bakura fight again the Pharao's son Atem (Yami Yugi). Both are included in Milleniums item's: Atem in the puzzle, Bakura in the ring. 3,000 years later the story begins...

2.ANIME-Version In the anime, the evil spirit of Bakura's ring travels in the old Ägyten too, because he has crept hisself into Yugi's puzzle. Here Yami Bakura is Zorc, a devil-like God, who wants to plunge the world into the darkness. He takes possession of a weak thief named Bakura (similar to Ryo Bakura in the Present) to confront the Pharaoh better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.154.128 (talk) 10:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zorc

should zorc be merged into this page because zorcs just in the other Character page and in the english dub yami bakura and zorc are the same (i'm not for one second saying dubs cannon though) ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 19:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is because they are, correct me if I'm wrong, completely different characters in the manga.--Tempest115 03:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

oh I have not got that far yet ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 09:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, but then again, I could be wrong.--Tempest115 20:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

don't worry about it im only up to where jonouchi and kiba duel in duelist and i doubt i can avoid spoolers for that long :P ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 15:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I want to popint out that the entire Thief Bakura article is gone and now redirects here. Why? There's no Thief Bakura material in this article, and Thief Bakura and Ryou Bakura are not the same character. Ggctuk 09:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

mabye there wasnt enough info on thief bakura ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 15:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was. There was just slightly under the amount of info that was in the Ahkenaden article. Ggctuk 11:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sadistic

Is Dark Bakura a sadist? ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He does seem to be.--Tempest115 13:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Puzzle/Ring

Changed "Puzzle" to "Ring" as Bakura does not carry the Millenium Puzzle, but the Ring.

Should the theif king bakura pic be deleted?

It will be on the 28th. Should it be deleted. My answer is no because he is a different character then plan bakura. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.188.23 (talk) 09:51, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Techincally...

...Isn't Dark Bakura the soul of Thief King Bakura taken over by a portion of Zorc's soul? That's how it was like with Akhenaden, he became part of Zorc (The Dark Priest) due to Zorc giving him a portion of his soul. Dark Bakura outright says that the Zorc Necrophades who appeared to Akhenaden is the soul of the true Akhenaden (QUOTE: "His soul is one with Zorc's! & QUOTE: "Akhenaden's soul is animating the Dark Priest, with me as the player.") Not to mention the whole "The thief's soul in my ring" bit that comes quite a while after he talks about the portion of Zorc's soul being sealed in the ring. In conclusion, Zorc's soul is working through the souls of Thief King Bakura and Akhenaden in order to be revived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheReflex68.188.25.139 (talk) 00:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ryou's mom

Does Ryou have a mom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.81.222 (talk) 02:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC) yes, he does(or did), because it's heavily implied she's dead in the series and manga. Yes he does and it says that he got his hair color and eyes from her. This could contribute to his father always leaving him because Ryou reminds him of his deceased wife.(by animeinsanity1850) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animeinsanity1850 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

It's said that this page should be merged with the List of Yu-Gi-Oh! Characters page. I do not approve. What's your thought on this issue? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.198.239.225 (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also do not approve since Bakura is a rather important antagonist in the series.IchiGhost (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Bakura is Thief King in the anime as well

There is much proof in the anime that Dark/Yami Bakura is Thief King Bakura as well. Proof of this is here on the official website. If Yami Bakura wasn't thief Bakura, then it wouldn't have said that he (Dark Bakura) was once king of the bandits/thieves. Also, he has memories of the Thief King which Zorc couldn't have known since it was before he was even released. One example is when he possessed the Thief King and said "I remember this day in the past quite clearly". In the anime he even said that he was a graverobber and a stealer of souls, and Zorc was never that before. Also, Shadi told yugi and his friends that he was killed by one named Bakura and Bakura's spirit followed the Pharaoh into the tablet. If he wasn't Thief Bakura, then why did he say that Thief bakura's spirit follow the Pharaoh into the tablet and Yami Bakura really entered the tablet. With this evidence I conclude that Yami Bakura is Thief King Bakura AND Zorc are Yami Bakura in the manga and anime. 104.236.89.93 (talk) 17:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 It should go [[Yu-Gi-Oh%21 anime and manga characters#The Great Evil God Zorc Necrophades|here]]--[[User:Tempest115|Tempest115]] 00:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
+just wanted to say... Ryou's technically not the antagonist. it's Yami Bakura or Dark Bakura that's evil... I feel kind of mean seeing that the little angel's called the bad guy just because his darker side is evil...  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Catt002|Catt002]] ([[User talk:Catt002|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catt002|contribs]]) 02:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 == Name Dispute? ==
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 ::''"Characters should be called what the series officially states their romaji names as. If that does not exist, use what they are named in the most recent or popular English translation, if it exists, isn't egregiously bad, and is the generally-used name (a google test is appropriate here). Otherwise, use a literal transliteration."'' (from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga]]) The series (as in the japanese) stats his romaji as Ryou doesn't it? And isn't Ryou also the generally-used name?
-::What does the anime say? Sometimes there are scenes in the anime where the characters name is spelt out, does the english sub of the YGO anime use either of his names? Or does it just stick to bakura and bakura only? --[[User talk:Yaksha|<font color="purple">`/aksha</font>]] 07:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
+::What does the anime say? Sometimes there are scenes in the anime where the characters name is spelt out, does the english sub of the YGO anime use either of his names? Or does it just stick to bakura and bakura only? --[[User talk:Yaksha|<span style="color:purple;">`/aksha</span>]] 07:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
-== New Dark Bakura Theory ==
-Having recently seen Capsule Monsters in its entirety, I have a new theory to put forth about Dark Bakura: He isn't the Spirit of the Millennium Ring, and in fact, he never was the Spirit. Dark Bakura is Bakura himself.
+== Different version ==
-In Capsule Monsters, Alexander the Great is shown to have owned the Millennium Ring. He claims it brought him many victories, but also corrupted his mind, and his soul was eventually split into two halves: naturally, good and evil.
+The problem with Yami Bakura a.k.a King of Thieves a.k.a Zorc the devil is, that his backround story is very different from the manga to the animated series.
+.MANGA-Version
-Now, suppose the same thing happened with Bakura. He got the Ring, and poof, he gets split into Bakura and Dark Bakura as a result of the Ring's influence. Now, to support this, look at the evidence: Dark Bakura not only manages to possess Bakura when he does not have the Ring (Season 5, episode 199, I believe), but has shown concern over his host's health (Episode 85). Such evidence appears to indicate that Dark Bakura has a deeper connection to Regular Bakura than just the Ring. There is evidence to show his existence is dependant on Bakura, and really, if Dark Bakura is just a spirit, the host shouldn't matter, right? So wouldn't it make sense if Dark Bakura was dependant on Bakura because, in part, he IS Bakrua?
+Bakura is an "Innocent"-child in a city that is exclusively governed by thieves. In order to create the Millennium items it needs the souls of 99 dead people. The Pharaoh (Yami Yugi's father) made the statement that all people should be executed in the city to produce the necessary sacrifices on the one hand. On the other, to make Ägytpten sauber from thieves. A bloody massacre! Bakura is the only survivor and swears vengeance! Later, the Pharaoh died of disgust when he hears '''how''' the Millennium items was created. Bakura fight again the Pharao's son Atem (Yami Yugi). Both are included in Milleniums item's: Atem in the puzzle, Bakura in the ring. 3,000 years later the story begins...
+.ANIME-Version
-Dark Bakura is merely the evil half of Bakura, split apart from him via the Ring. And, for the Spirit matter, the Spirit is Zorc himself, who used the Ring to create evil versions of Alexander and Bakura to do his dirty work. Dark Bakura and Dark Alexander both demonstrate similar goals: world destruction/domination. Dark Alexander merely did it differently because, 2000 years ago, the world was a lot easier to destroy with a simple army, compare to the large-scale world of today, that would be much more difficult to destroy (thus requiring the Millennium Items in their entirety).
+In the anime, the evil spirit of Bakura's ring travels in the old Ägyten too, because he has crept hisself into Yugi's puzzle. Here Yami Bakura is Zorc, a devil-like God, who wants to plunge the world into the darkness. He takes possession of a weak thief named Bakura (similar to Ryo Bakura in the Present) to confront the Pharaoh better.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.141.154.128|80.141.154.128]] ([[User talk:80.141.154.128|talk]]) 10:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-So, in closing: Dark Bakura is Bakura, split apart by Zorc, Spirit of the Millennium Ring. However, Dark Bakura and Zorc are not the same being.
-Any comments?[[User: Drake Clawfang]]
-:Now, '''there's''' an interesting thought.  It might even be true!  One never knows. -- [[User:K-9 LVR|K-9 LVR]] 04:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
-::Great ideas, yes. But sadly original research does not go into articles. --[[User talk:Yaksha|<font color="#330066"><b>`/aksha</b></font>]] 12:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
-:::As I just stated above, in the English version, Yami Bakura states quite clearly that he is Zorc. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 12:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
-::::Yes, true. But considering all the other edits made during the dubbing, can we really trust the English anime? I wouldn't. [[User: Drake Clawfang|Drake]]
-:::::Unless I'm totally mistaken, Capsule Monsters is hardly canonical. Also, Zorc's plans seem to directly require the Millenium Items, which does not prove anything but doesn't help your argument. These points in conjunction with the fact that the Dark Bakura knows things that the normal Bakura couldn't know, such as some of the mysteries of ancient Egypt, I think we can assume that this is probably not the case. Hate to rain on your parade, it's nice to hear someone thinking about this stuff, i just think there are some holes in your argument. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/69.117.57.73|69.117.57.73]] ([[User talk:69.117.57.73|talk]]) 00:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
-Here's a thought that might meet both criteria...  If the Spirit within the Ring can remove fragments of himself and fuse them into other hosts, human as well as objects, isn't it possible that the darker half of Bakura is reflected by the Thief King, (his prior incarnation, as Ryou is apparently the incarnation whose purpose is to atone for the sins of his predecessor,) who is released when Bakura donned the Ring, but at the same time simultaneously Zorc, whose taint was upon the very ceremony at Kul Elna which forged the items (of which the Thief King was the only survivor), who saw  this mortal as a suitable host to ensure that the future would play itself out according to his plans, and therefore fused himself or at least a fragment thereof, into the boy, gradually shaping him as Zorc deemed fit?  This explanation blends the Capsule monsters theory in quite well.
-*This is all very interesting, but doesn't help the article at all. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] 19:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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 mabye there wasnt enough info on thief bakura [[User:Eternal Pink|♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥]] 15:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 : There was. There was just slightly under the amount of info that was in the Ahkenaden article. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 11:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
+== Sadistic ==
+Is Dark Bakura a sadist? [[User:Eternal Pink|♥Fighting for charming Love♥]] 17:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
+:He does seem to be.--[[User:Tempest115|Tempest115]] 13:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
+== Puzzle/Ring ==
+Changed "Puzzle" to "Ring" as Bakura does not carry the Millenium Puzzle, but the Ring.
+== Should the theif king bakura pic be deleted? ==
+It will be on the 28th. Should it be deleted. My answer is no because he is a different character then plan bakura.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|71.63.188.23}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|71.63.188.23}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|71.63.188.23}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|09:51, August 24, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Techincally... ==
+...Isn't Dark Bakura the soul of Thief King Bakura taken over by a portion of Zorc's soul?  That's how it was like with Akhenaden, he became part of Zorc (The Dark Priest) due to Zorc giving him a portion of his soul.  Dark Bakura outright says that the Zorc Necrophades who appeared to Akhenaden is the soul of the true Akhenaden (QUOTE: "His soul is one with Zorc's! & QUOTE: "Akhenaden's soul is animating the Dark Priest, with me as the player.")  Not to mention the whole "The thief's soul in my ring" bit that comes quite a while after he talks about the portion of Zorc's soul being sealed in the ring.  In conclusion, Zorc's soul is working through the souls of Thief King Bakura and Akhenaden in order to be revived. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by TheReflex[[Special:Contributions/68.188.25.139|68.188.25.139]] ([[User talk:68.188.25.139|talk]]) 00:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Ryou's mom ==
+Does Ryou have a mom?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.117.81.222|24.117.81.222]] ([[User talk:24.117.81.222|talk]]) 02:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+yes, he does(or did), because it's heavily implied she's dead in the series and manga.
+Yes he does and it says that he got his hair color and eyes from her.  This could contribute to his father always leaving him because Ryou reminds him of his deceased wife.(by animeinsanity1850)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Animeinsanity1850|Animeinsanity1850]] ([[User talk:Animeinsanity1850|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Animeinsanity1850|contribs]]) 19:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Merging ==
+It's said that this page should be merged with the List of Yu-Gi-Oh! Characters page. I do not approve. What's your thought on this issue?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.198.239.225|75.198.239.225]] ([[User talk:75.198.239.225|talk]]) 05:11, 13 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Also do not approve since Bakura is a rather important antagonist in the series.[[User:IchiGhost|IchiGhost]] ([[User talk:IchiGhost|talk]]) 20:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
+== Dark Bakura is Thief King in the anime as well ==
+There is much proof in the anime that Dark/Yami Bakura is Thief King Bakura as well. Proof of this is [http://www.yugioh.com/characters/bandit-king-bakura here on the official website.] If Yami Bakura wasn't thief Bakura, then it wouldn't have said that he (Dark Bakura) was once king of the bandits/thieves. Also, he has memories of the Thief King which Zorc couldn't have known since it was before he was even released. One example is when he possessed the Thief King and said "I remember this day in the past quite clearly". In the anime he even said that he was a graverobber and a stealer of souls, and Zorc was never that before. Also, Shadi told yugi and his friends that he was killed by one named Bakura and Bakura's spirit followed the Pharaoh into the tablet. If he wasn't Thief Bakura, then why did he say that Thief bakura's spirit follow the Pharaoh into the tablet and Yami Bakura really entered the tablet. With this evidence I conclude that Yami Bakura is Thief King Bakura AND Zorc are Yami Bakura in the manga and anime. [[Special:Contributions/104.236.89.93|104.236.89.93]] ([[User talk:104.236.89.93|talk]]) 17:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)