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Unsourced biography since its creation in 2005. Unclear notability as a Han dynasty eunuch. Natg 19 (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and China. Natg 19 (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:GNG. No reliable sources (or any source for that matter), and a quick Google and a check on Google scholar doesn't find anything related to the article. i2n 2z 06:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. See Rafe de Crespigny, Fire over Luoyang: A History of the Later Han Dynasty 23-220 AD (2016); and Ulrich Theobald, http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Han/personszhengzhong1.html, in turn citing three secondary or tertiary sources in Chinese. (The last three I have not been personally able to access.) Overall the preponderance of evidence suggests this is notable. Adumbrativus (talk) 09:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Subject has had an illustrious career as senior eunuch, holding sway over the young Emperor He of Han as a power broker in the eunuch faction against the consort kin faction (a familiar theme in Han dynasty politics). He is given a biography in the Book of Later Han, but more relevant to Wikipedia policies, his life is detailed in Rafe de Crespigny's A Biographical Dictionary of Later Han to the Three Kingdoms (23-220 AD) (p. 1130). In de Crespigny's other work Fire Over Luoyang, Zheng Zhong is mentioned no less than 28 times, and is described as having played "a critical role" in the coup against the consort kin Dou clan of Dou Xian, and his involvement sets a precedent as "the first time members of the inner court had been so actively involved in politics," and that "Zheng Zhong and his associates were models for the for the future, [where] palace eunuchs would become major players in the politics of the dynasty." (p. 132). Key political figure of lasting influence with unarguable notability. _dk (talk) 09:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :'''Delete''' as per [[WP:GNG]]. No reliable sources (or any source for that matter), and a quick Google and a check on Google scholar doesn't find anything related to the article. [[User:I2n2z|<span style="color: #fcd62d;">i2n</span>]][[User talk: I2n2z|<span style="color: green;">2z</span>]] 06:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 :'''Keep'''. See Rafe de Crespigny, ''Fire over Luoyang: A History of the Later Han Dynasty 23-220 AD'' (2016); and Ulrich Theobald, http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Han/personszhengzhong1.html, in turn citing three secondary or tertiary sources in Chinese. (The last three I have not been personally able to access.) Overall the preponderance of evidence suggests this is notable. [[User:Adumbrativus|Adumbrativus]] ([[User talk:Adumbrativus|talk]]) 09:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
+:'''Strong Keep''' Subject has had an illustrious career as senior eunuch, holding sway over the young [[Emperor He of Han]] as a power broker in the eunuch faction against the [[consort kin]] faction (a familiar theme in Han dynasty politics). He is given a biography in the ''[[Book of Later Han]]'', but more relevant to Wikipedia policies, his life is detailed in [[Rafe de Crespigny]]'s [https://books.google.ca/books/about/A_Biographical_Dictionary_of_Later_Han_t.html?id=49OvCQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y A Biographical Dictionary of Later Han to the Three Kingdoms (23-220 AD)] (p. 1130). In de Crespigny's other work [https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Fire_over_Luoyang/jSJ4DgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Fire Over Luoyang], Zheng Zhong is mentioned no less than 28 times, and is described as having played "a critical role" in the coup against the consort kin Dou clan of [[Dou Xian]], and his involvement sets a precedent as "the first time members of the inner court had been so actively involved in politics," and that "Zheng Zhong and his associates were models for the for the future, [where] palace eunuchs would become major players in the politics of the dynasty." (p. 132). Key political figure of lasting influence with unarguable notability. [[User:Underbar dk|&#95;dk]] ([[User talk:Underbar dk|talk]]) 09:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)