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Dear colleague ^[1] I do not understand the arguments behind replacing the article on Syngenta Group with a redirect. In both discussions on the subject that I know (Talk:Syngenta#Requested move 9 July 2021 and Talk:Syngenta#Separating pages) participants clearly stated that a separate Syngenta Group article is desired assuming good sources exist. I have added one such source that in details describes both Syngenta Group and Syngenta ([1]). This document clearly separates the two entities (title of one of the sections is "Financials and profile – Syngenta AG and Syngenta Group") and describes them in reasonable detail. As stated in these discussions, common sense is also on the side of two separate articles, as Syngenta Group assets are not limited to two branches forming Syngenta AG. The only references to WP:INHERIT (that you mentioned in the comment to the deletion of text) that I could find were (underlining is mine):

"Per the consensus, either we have to go for small mention of Syngenta group here in its own section (which is perfectly fine, Adama doesn't need mention here), or start a new page and establish notability for Syngenta Group on it's own without WP:INHERIT issues."
(yours) "Anything about Syngenta Group likely needs to be written from scratch, otherwise it seems like WP:INHERIT"
"Good point on the WP:INHERIT. Probably best just to add a separate paragraph to this article about Syngenta Group. Right now all I can find in RSs is launch date, comprising companies, a new logo (which is already in this article - probably a mistake) and a press release about an IPO on China's STAR stock exchange. That doesn't seem enough to create, or justify, a separate article."

Obviously in 2021 there was a lack of sources about the group. Since then the situation clearly have changed (not surprising given the group being the largest company in the world in the plant protection market). I have added one such very detailed source, commissioned by a non-profit. While not a peer-reviewed publication, this one is clearly of good quality and is most definitely non-flattering. If you would like to see more sources or have a quality bar for these future sources to clear, just let me know (for the avoidance of doubt, I did not create the article, just added the source and expanded the stub). Thank you in advance! Викидим (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+Dear colleague {{sfn|KoA}} I do not understand the arguments behind replacing the article on Syngenta Group with a redirect. In both discussions on the subject that I know ([[Talk:Syngenta#Requested move 9 July 2021]] and [[Talk:Syngenta#Separating pages]]) participants clearly stated that a separate [[Syngenta Group]] article is desired assuming good sources exist. I have added one such source that in details describes both Syngenta Group and Syngenta ([https://www.publiceye.ch/fileadmin/doc/Pestizide/2022_Profundo_Syngentas_IPO_Report.pdf]). This document clearly separates the two entities (title of one of the sections is "Financials and profile – Syngenta AG and Syngenta Group") and describes them in reasonable detail. As stated in these discussions, common sense is also on the side of two separate articles, as Syngenta Group assets are not limited to two branches forming Syngenta AG. The only references to [[WP:INHERIT]] (that you mentioned in the comment to the deletion of text) that I could find were (underlining is mine):
+* "Per the consensus, either we have to go for small mention of Syngenta group here in its own section (which is perfectly fine, Adama doesn't need mention here), or <u>start a new page</u> and establish notability for Syngenta Group on it's own without WP:INHERIT issues."
+* (yours) "Anything about Syngenta Group <u>likely needs to be written from scratch</u>, otherwise it seems like WP:INHERIT"
+* "Good point on the WP:INHERIT. Probably best just to add a separate paragraph to this article about Syngenta Group. <u>Right now all I can find</u> in RSs is launch date, comprising companies, a new logo (which is already in this article - probably a mistake) and a press release about an IPO on China's STAR stock exchange. That doesn't seem enough to create, or justify, a separate article."
+Obviously in 2021 there was a lack of sources about the group. Since then the situation clearly have changed (not surprising given the group being the largest company in the world in the plant protection market). I have added one such very detailed source, commissioned by a non-profit. While not a peer-reviewed publication, this one is clearly of good quality and is most definitely non-flattering. If you would like to see more sources or have a quality bar for these future sources to clear, just let me know (for the avoidance of doubt, I did not create the article, just added the source and expanded the stub). Thank you in advance! [[User:Викидим|Викидим]] ([[User talk:Викидим|talk]]) 17:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)