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Why can't I use a link of a movie which is uploaded by original producer on YouTube as a reference?

You removed some of my work from Wikipedia page Jai Shri Ram, by giving a reason that I cannot use YouTube video link as a reference.

But according to WP:VIDEOREF, it was a fair use.

Was the video uploaded to internet by the original producer? -yes

Is it used for information? -yes

Is it to be used as a reference? -yes

Is it original producer a reliable source? -well absolutely,as they themselves made that movie.

Will it improve the article? -Ofcourse

Information I added: In 1957 movie named Ram Hanuman Yuddhaa "Jai Shri Ram" is clearly audible.

Reference i gave: [[1]]

The video in the YouTube link is the movie Ram Hanuman Yuddhaa (1954) uploaded by it's original producer (i.e Ultra Films).

What else would be the better citation than giving the link to original movie with timestamp where the given word "Jai Shri Ram" is spoken.

Moreover, the movie is older than 60 year, hence now in public domain would it be okay if just trim that part from movie and upload on Wikimedia and then cite here? AbhishekSaini1910 (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with everything that has already been said in the article's talk page discussion on this, re use of a primary source (versus a reliable secondary/independent source). That video provided I actually don't have access to (it may be geo-restricted - I'm in Australia - but I don't know that for sure). It's good that you're discussing your edits. Regards, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 10:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi MelbourneStar,

sorry for contacting you here but I am currently trying to create an article about Jo Lindner. I read about your discussion to keep Aziz/Zyzz on the platform and I see myself getting into the same issues of notability or being accused of being a fan boy.

Would you have a look at my article whether you have an idea what would break notability - any help is appreciated. Thank you for your time and help! MarvDj (talk) 11:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+Was the video uploaded to internet by the original producer? -yes
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-== My editing is NOT disruptive ==
+Is it used for information? -yes
-These are reliable edits and if you search online, these are accurate. Please stop reversing my changes now. [[User:Rafin12345|Rafin12345]] ([[User talk:Rafin12345|talk]]) 15:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-:Hi {{ping|Rafin12345}} your editing '''is''' disruptive and I'll explain why. My warning to you was the <u>third</u> in a row about you needing to [[wp:cite|cite]] [[wp:rs|reliable sources]] when you edit/change content as you did not do at [[The One (Toronto)|The One]], and other articles prior. Wikipedia relies on its content to be reliable and [[wp:v|verifiable]] — so far, the changes you've made are ''not'' verifiable, as they are [[wp:or|unreferenced]], and hence: not reliable.
-:Given ''you'' are the one making the changes, ''you'' (and only you) are responsible for adding these sources, per [[WP:ONUS]]. It is ''not'' for me or anyone to verify the content changes you make or to "search online" – that is for you to do. If you continue to add unreferenced content, despite these warnings, you may [[WP:BLOCK|lose your editing privileges]].
-:Furthermore, the [[Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat|The Skyscraper Center]] is a verifiable and up-to-date skyscraper database that is used on hundreds if not thousands of articles on Wikipedia. It is now in use on The One article (through its [https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/the-one/18879 entry on the subject]), and its data is very different to the unsourced data you have been adding. If you need help in how to reference, you're welcome to ask me. Kind regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 01:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
+Is it to be used as a reference? -yes
-Hello! Úrsula Corberó she is in an relationship with Spanish actor Miguel Herrán, since 2017.
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-:{{ping|Anna Pask}} they're not. You're probably going to get [[wp:block|blocked]] for adding deliberate factual errors. Thanks, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 11:55, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
-::But please, leave my edit as it was. [[User:Anna Pask|Anna Pask]] ([[User talk:Anna Pask|talk]]) 12:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::No. Wikipedia isn't here for you to make unconstructive edits. —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 12:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
-:::Miguel Herrán he is an relationship with Úrsula Corberó, please leave my edit as it was, thanks, i´m begin you. [[User:Anna Pask|Anna Pask]] ([[User talk:Anna Pask|talk]]) 12:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
-::::They're not, a simple Google search confirms that. I think you know this too. You're wasting your time, it takes one second to revert your edit. —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 12:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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-:::::google from where does google get the data for the original page of some data? Not wikipedia [[User:Anna Pask|Anna Pask]] ([[User talk:Anna Pask|talk]]) 12:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
-::::::And also look how cute they´re together and i think that they are together.. their eye contacts... [[User:Anna Pask|Anna Pask]] ([[User talk:Anna Pask|talk]]) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
+Is it original producer a reliable source? -well absolutely,as they themselves made that movie.
-== Why my edit had been reversed ==
+Will it improve the article? -Ofcourse
-Can u please explain why my edit got reverse [[User:Anshul Srivastava.21|Anshul Srivastava.21]] ([[User talk:Anshul Srivastava.21|talk]]) 12:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
-I was editing that article before the reply but the Wikipedia told me someone has edited please try after sometime
+Information I added: In 1957 movie named Ram Hanuman Yuddhaa "Jai Shri Ram" is clearly audible.
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-:{{ping|Anshul Srivastava.21}} I've self-reverted, given you probably did encounter an [[wp:edit conflict|edit conflict]]. In future though, if you're going to edit your previous comments to remove statements/meaning (inline with [[WP:TALK#REPLIED]]) that you [[wp:strikeout|strikeout]] the content -- so others are aware of the changes you've made to your comments, especially if someone else has already responded to the original comment.
+Reference i gave: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoZutn_kwMA&t=7977s]]
-:Having followed that discussion from afar, I'd also encourage you to re-read {{U|331dot}}'s [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ASushant_Singh_Rajput&type=revision&diff=1093721714&oldid=1093720489 comment] which is a really fitting way to end the topic of discussion once and for all.  Thanks, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 13:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
+The video in the YouTube link is the movie Ram Hanuman Yuddhaa (1954) uploaded by it's original producer (i.e Ultra Films).
+What else would be the better citation than giving the link to original movie with timestamp where the given word "Jai Shri Ram" is spoken.
+Moreover, the movie is older than 60 year, hence now in public domain would it be okay if just trim that part from movie and upload on Wikimedia and then cite here? [[User:AbhishekSaini1910|AbhishekSaini1910]] ([[User talk:AbhishekSaini1910|talk]]) 17:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
+:I concur with everything that has already been said in the article's talk page discussion on this, re use of a primary source (versus a reliable secondary/independent source). That video provided I actually don't have access to (it may be geo-restricted - I'm in Australia - but I don't know that for sure). It's good that you're discussing your edits. Regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 10:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
+== Pleading for help ==
+Hi MelbourneStar,
+sorry for contacting you here but I am currently trying to create an article about [[Draft:Jo Lindner|Jo Lindner]]. I read about your discussion to keep Aziz/Zyzz on the platform and I see myself getting into the same issues of notability or being accused of being a fan boy.
+Would you have a look at my article whether you have an idea what would break notability - any help is appreciated. Thank you for your time and help! [[User:MarvDj|MarvDj]] ([[User talk:MarvDj|talk]]) 11:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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