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==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment==
The article had been moved to [[Environmental movement in the United States]]. See [[Talk:Environmental movement in the United States]] for the past history. I have moved and cut'n'pasted relevent info back to this page ([[Environmentalism]]). I feel there is justifiction for an [[Environmentalism]] page and an [[Environmental movement]] page. Along with [[Environmentalist]] it divides the subject up neatly and avoids a cluttered [[Environmental movement]] article. It seem to me that moving a page on the international environmental movement with some stuff about the US to [[Environmental movement in the United States]] was a little geographically blinkered. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 07:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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==File under Religion?==
== Moving content from Environmental justice page to this page ==
Should this article be filed under [[Religion]]. From a neutral POV, the following quote indicates to me that environmentalism is just another religion.


Hi! I am planning to move content currently in the "Critique of environmentalism" section of [[Environmental justice]] to the criticism and alternative views part of this page without much revision of the content. If anyone has any thoughts or concerns, please let me know. [[User:Zaelzo|Zaelzo]] ([[User talk:Zaelzo|talk]]) 17:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
"Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths. There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe. Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday---these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain, for all I know. I certainly don't want to talk anybody out of them, as I don't want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don't want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can't talk anybody out of them. These are not facts that can be argued. These are issues of faith. And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren't necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It's about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them."


:::[[User:Njh|Njh]] 10:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
:Planning to move forward with this shortly. [[User:Zaelzo|Zaelzo]] ([[User talk:Zaelzo|talk]]) 05:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
::Done, if anyone has any thoughts feel free to share them here. I kind of think the See also section is like a less helpful version of the Green politics template so I'm not really sure what purpose it serves. The Michael Chricton paragraph seems like potentially undue weight since it is only about his opinion. [[User:Zaelzo|Zaelzo]] ([[User talk:Zaelzo|talk]]) 05:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


:::Good move but the section is weak. I agree with you on Chricton. A wider problem seems to me due to the fact that the page fails to provide an interpretation of the broad catalogue of environmentalists' ideas and the criticism section adds to the catalogue rather than an interpretation. It tends to portray criticism directed to a (non existing) single or main perspective. I have recently rewritten the Italian page ([[:it:Ambientalismo|ambientalismo]], hopefully you may machine translate it) drawing extensively from solid textbooks. The criticism is not yet covered but the fundamental threads of E. are, attempting to go beyond the catalogue approach. Perhaps it may offer some ideas. [[User:Tytire|Tytire]] ([[User talk:Tytire|talk]]) 21:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:njh. Dont be absurd. Environmentalism is not a religion! (Well only in the sense that capitalism is).. Unsigned comment by 81.137.168.249

:The quotation (which you did not reference) comes from a [[Michael Crichton]] speech. Environmentalism is no more a religion than is say sport or shopping etc. One can have a passion for environmentalism (or sport, or shopping) with a religios zeal but is does not make it a religion. Like many words religion has more than one meaning. In his speech Crichton tries to write off the environmental movement as if it were a fringe religion. It is an oft quoted speech on Wikipedia but the central tenet of the speech is not widely held. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 08:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

== religion ? ==

hello
sorry, my english isnt good, but I can object something : from an encyclopedian point of view there are '''different''' streams of environmentalism, including some very materialistic, economical-driven streams (some speak of green capitalism). others point out the spiritual aspects perhaps but from an ethical point of view. And others pragmatic, including a lot of NGO, reformists want to apply precaution principle, international conventions protecting flora and fauna because they only "see" the pollution, the decline of biodiversity, the deforestation, the climate change ... and there are lots of reports, counterreports made by scientifics, they try to analyse the reality of the impact, not just "believe". the United nations (with de world bank) is also alarmed : they create a lot of initiatives, voluntary, non volontary : UNEP, protocole, conventions, global impact ...
another metaphor ; if i'm living like diane fossey, seing how they kills gorillas, i didn't need to be in a religious mood : poacher kills and destroys the country; collectively it would be ok to obtain collective consensus to solve the problems. --[[User:Ayanoa|Ayanoa]] 17:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

i think that at least a connection with religion should be mentioned - or a "criticism" section added with an excerpt and reference to http://www.maxeiner-miersch.de/new_piety_e.htm ? gregor

== Suggested merges: [[environmentalism]] and [[ecologism]] ==

This article should be merged with [[environmentalism]]. -- [[User:Centrx|Centrx]] 19:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC) <small>Comment moved from [[talk:environmentalist]] by habj</small>
::That is, [[environmentalist]] should be merged with this article. -- [[User:Centrx|Centrx]] 21:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

: Agreed, having one article on the ideology and another of those who share it makes no sense. The article [[ecologism]] was also labelled as a possible merge, and I agree on that one two although not equally strong. Ecologism might be a slightly different thing than environmentalism, but the concepts are close enough to probably be better explained in the same article. // [[User:Habj|Habj]] 19:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::I don't know about it to say, but if, in fact, "ecologism" is nothing more than what is stated in the [[ecologism]] article, then it should be merged here. Even if it is somewhat different, if it is just a subset or branch of environmentalism, but still falls into the class "environmentalism", then it should be included here unless and until it becomes so massive that it wouldn't fit. -- [[User:Centrx|Centrx]] 21:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:I agree that ecologism and environmentalism should be merged. Ecologism is not a commonly used term at present so a seperate article for it is not justified. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 09:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

:Environmentalism and environmentalist should have seperate articles. Both articles are hardly stubs and I am also in the "small article is beautiful" camp. Both articles may well grow in time. The environmentalist article is also a suitable place for those who end up at [[:Category:Environmentalists]]. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 09:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
:: How is an environmentalist anything other than someone who believes in or supports environmentalism? -- [[User:Centrx|Centrx]] 02:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I am not claiming that envionmentalist and environmentalism are not linked by my stance of having seperate articles. Having the environmental movement (environmentalism) seperate from the people (environmentalists) allows for two neatly packaged pages rather than one cluttered one. The pages also do not have any overlap. I am quite sure that the two pages will grow with time especially given that it is a contentious subject. There is a recommendation that pages are kept under a certain size. At some point these pages may reach that point and will have to be split. Keeping them as seperate pages for the start is a cleaner way of allowing the pages to evolve. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 02:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

::What belongs in [[environmentalist]] that does not more properly belong in [[environmentalism]]? Right now, the only thing that would belong in [[environmentalist]] is the last sentence about derogatory names, which, being simply a dictionary definition and slang at that, hardly deserves its own article. -- [[User:Centrx|Centrx]] 04:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

:I agree that [[Environmentalist]] and [[Environmental movement]] should be merged into this article. [[User:Sunray|Sunray]] 18:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

==Text from [[Ecologism]]==
:'''''Ecologism''', is the ideology of caring for nature, environment. There are different streams in ecologism, some emphasing, caring more for nature than men (directly) because the initial thought is that nature will sort things out and help mankind itself if we devoted more energy to it than ourselves, others emphasizing the responsability of human beings (The Imperative of Responsibility).''

:''People with this [[ideology]] are often called [[environmentalist]]s, and an example of that is [[Green Peace]].''

===Copy of the old text ===
I don't know about administration of article "history", but just in case i copy the definition, perhaps something come up for the final result. --[[User:Ayanoa|Ayanoa]] 21:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

:WIkipedia never forgets! The old version of the page is still available. Incidently, the word "ecologism" is not listed on a couple of the more comprehensive online dictionaries the I checked. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 01:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
::but I can forget, juste to help (copying), and if we don't use the definition, we clean. for ecologism and environmentalism, I can't help; I'm french speaker and we use more ''environnementalisme'' than ''ecologisme'', and sometimes as simple synonym (so it is in french wikipedia,(except that [[:fr:ecologisme]] is the name of the article) some authors (but I 've no references) use ecologism for the radical wing. --[[User:Ayanoa|Ayanoa]] 12:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

== Michael Crichton and environmental religion ==

[[Michael Crichton]]s speech to the Commonwealth Club, where he compares religion to environmentalism, seems to crop up quite often on this page. I have removed from the article the word "Some" linked to his speech. '''One''' opinion is not the same as '''some'''. [[User:Alan Liefting|Alan Liefting]] 07:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

== Environmentalism as a distinct political ideology ==

A question: should there be some discussion of Environmentalism as a political ideology? I have found this listed in Wikibooks on .[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Political_Theory]Political Theory.
If so, there is a case for not merging this article. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Adamasao|Adamasao]] ([[User talk:Adamasao|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adamasao|contribs]]) 08:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

:If this is an important political theory—though apparently never attempted and with no major philosophers as adherents—then it would likely belong in its own article and is irrelevant to the mergers. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']]&nbsp;&bull; 05:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

==Wikipedia for Environmental Education==

What about creating a page about local environmental problems and easy, practical solution for each countries using local language? This will turn wikipedia into education tool for the younger generations. The environmental problems in one country is different from other country. The solution is not demonstration on the street, "extreme actions" (like greenpeace, ecoterrorism), but simple everyday action: energy and water conservation, recycling, using alternative energy etc.
:Why the "environmental concern" is put inside Geography page of every country? Is it better to put "Environmental Concern" of each country in a separate page, complete with possible practical solution?

== Analogous movements ==

Would it be appropriate to mention in this article those movements that are starting to emerge that can be understood as analogous to environmentalism? As an example, the term [[Cultural environmentalism]] might be appropriate.

--[[User:Cgranade|Cgranade]] 02:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
==[[Evangelical environmentalism]]==
On 10/12/06, PBS aired ''[[Is God Green?]]'', a look at a growing subset of American Evangelical Christians who are embracing, in their own way, the environmental movement/lifestyle etc. After searching around Wikipedia, I found nothing. Does anyone know of any article on Wikipedia which address this? If not, I'd like to create an article and would like suggestions on article names, proper categorization, what to include etc. Any ideas?-- Feel free to respond at my talk page'''[[User:Hraefen|Hraefen]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Hraefen|Talk]]</sup> 17:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

== Environmental Determinism ==

Could someone add a link to environmental determinism at the top of this page? I would but I have not figured out how to do such.

In the field of geography Environmentalism is the common word for Environmental Determinism, and I was very confused in looking for the article on Environmentalism in the Geographic contex. Thank you.

:Done.[[User:Kitler005|Sup dudes?&#91;&#91;User:Kitler005]]]] 19:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== WWV vs US content ==

I think this is a great page on [[Environmentalism in the US]], and before we start hacking at it to make it more WWV-compatable, perhaps we should copy its contents into a US specific page, and then start cutting and altering to make it more WWV. [[User:Gomm|The Gomm]] 23:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:How about incorporating facts from the [[Kyoto_Treaty]] to the article? The [[United States]] and [[Australia]] are the only two countries that have not signed the protocol. <b><font color="FF9999">[[User:Bearly541|Bearly541]]</font> <small><font color="A6F591">[[User talk:Bearly541|talk]]</font></small></b> 01:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

== Biodiversity - I need a reminder ==

Before I write a bit on biodiversity and breeding programs, can anyone remind me of the proper name for that white Arabian deer or related creature that went extinct in the wild before breeding of captive ones before being released back? Thank you. [[User:Wiki-newbie|Wiki-newbie]] 19:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Could you be thinking of the [[Arabian Oryx]]? It was successfully bred in captivety and reintroduced back into Arabia in 1962. [[User:S.dedalus|S.dedalus]] 05:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

==[[An Inconvenient Truth]]==

Has anyone thought of incorporating this to the article? <b><font color="FF9999">[[User:Bearly541|Bearly541]]</font> <small><font color="A6F591">[[User talk:Bearly541|talk]]</font></small></b> 01:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

==[[Greenpeace]]?==

Shouldn’t there be something about Greenpeace in this article? Under the heading Environmental Organizations maybe, and also a link to the Greenpeace page at the bottom. They defiantly have been one of the most influential environmental groups and my be the biggest. [[User:S.dedalus|S.dedalus]] 05:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

:It looks like all environmental organizations have been broken out to a separate article, [[List of environmental organizations]]. -- [[User:Jim Douglas|Jim Douglas]] [[User talk:Jim Douglas|<sup><font color="green">(talk)</font></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jim Douglas|<sub><font color="gray">(contribs)</font></sub>]] 05:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

::Wouldn’t it be best to ether expand the “Environmental organizations” section in this article or else remove this section and simply have a link at the bottom? It seems sort of redundant when there already is an “Environmental organizations and conferences” section near the top of the page. Is this heading really necessary? [[User:S.dedalus|S.dedalus]] 05:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

:The article certainly seems to be in an "under construction" state at the moment; if you see something that you think should be changed, [[WP:BOLD|take a shot]]! I haven't paid much attention to the article myself...it got added to my watchlist as a side effect of clearing up vandalism. -- [[User:Jim Douglas|Jim Douglas]] [[User talk:Jim Douglas|<sup><font color="green">(talk)</font></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Jim Douglas|<sub><font color="gray">(contribs)</font></sub>]] 06:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hi! I am planning to move content currently in the "Critique of environmentalism" section of Environmental justice to the criticism and alternative views part of this page without much revision of the content. If anyone has any thoughts or concerns, please let me know. Zaelzo (talk) 17:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Planning to move forward with this shortly. Zaelzo (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done, if anyone has any thoughts feel free to share them here. I kind of think the See also section is like a less helpful version of the Green politics template so I'm not really sure what purpose it serves. The Michael Chricton paragraph seems like potentially undue weight since it is only about his opinion. Zaelzo (talk) 05:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good move but the section is weak. I agree with you on Chricton. A wider problem seems to me due to the fact that the page fails to provide an interpretation of the broad catalogue of environmentalists' ideas and the criticism section adds to the catalogue rather than an interpretation. It tends to portray criticism directed to a (non existing) single or main perspective. I have recently rewritten the Italian page (ambientalismo, hopefully you may machine translate it) drawing extensively from solid textbooks. The criticism is not yet covered but the fundamental threads of E. are, attempting to go beyond the catalogue approach. Perhaps it may offer some ideas. Tytire (talk) 21:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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