Talk:Avengers: Endgame

The Blip

@Jasca Ducato: I disagree. As I wrote earlier, "the Blip" is never uttered in this film, as it was only coined in Far From Home. Film plot summaries should only describe what is explicitly shown and said onscreen. Secondly, while the Blip is indeed linked earlier in the plot summary, it's a piped link (as it should be). Readers who know nothing about the MCU would not be able to decipher the meaning of "the Blip" if we provide no explanation for what that term even means. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

My apologies for the delayed response. Whilst the term "the Blip" is indeed only coined in Far From Home, any of the alternative wording included in the article reads as if Thanos personally killed Barton's family (à la Vision in Infinity War), or is unsuitably awkward and inevitably changed. Upon consideration, this Plot section makes liberal use of notes to explain where this film sits in relation to previous MCU adventures, so I would like to raise the possibility of including such a note to explain that the term in question is coined in a later film. (WP:FILM states "Complicated plots may occasionally require clarifications from secondary sources; so cite these sources in the section" which to my mind would allow us to make use of the term in question, if suitably sourced.) -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 10:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you give an example wording of an explantory footnote? Even if we clarify that "the Blip" was coined in Far From Home, we can't just introduce a new term (WP:JARGON) to the plot summary without explaining what it means. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Perhaps something along the lines of: "The Blip" is the name later given in ''Far From Home'' to Thanos' erasure of half of all life. GoneIn60's suggestion below is also an option, though I am not particularly inclined to remove the piped link. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 13:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Wouldn't be the end of the world if the link remained. Only mentioned it, since that sentence is in WP:SEAOFBLUE territory (and verging on MOS:OL). -- GoneIn60 (talk) 13:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I would remove the current Blip link around the phrase, "erased half of all life in the universe", and modify the footnote to read, "Known as The Blip that was depicted in Avengers: Infinity War (2018)". There are plenty of blue links in the plot summary as it is, and linking an 8-word statement is too much IMO. Then I would use that same explanatory footnote for the text about Barton losing his family. So after the changes, it would look something like:

In 2018, twenty-three days after Thanos erased half of all life in the universe, Carol Danvers rescues Tony Stark...

...

In Tokyo, Romanoff recruits Clint Barton, who became a vigilante after his family was erased during the execution of Thanos' plan.

My 2¢. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

That wording works for me. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Sweet, I'll add it in. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 09:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Jasca Ducato: Glad that wording worked out, but your recent changes don't appear to have used it. Minor tweaks are fine, but I think the main point of everything was to get "The Blip" out of running text and into the efn. --GoneIn60 (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

I went ahead and did the full implementation as discussed above. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Respectfully, GoneIn60, I don't believe InfiniteNexus was agreeing to your suggestion. (Please correct me if I'm wrong @InfiniteNexus:?) The main point, for me at last, was to retain use of the phrase "the Blip" in the plot section, not to remove it entirely. To my mind, your wording has effectively made the sentence needlessly complex again, hence the purpose of this discussion. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 15:00, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

That may indeed be the case, but from the indenting above responding to my post, I took it as a response to my suggestion. While we wait for clarification, is there any reason why you believe "The Blip" linked within the efn isn't sufficient? A few additional words were added to remove it from running text, but it doesn't appear complex to me. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I was agreeing to GoneIn60's suggestion, which I assumed you were fine with judging by your comment GoneIn60's suggestion below is also an option. As I wrote above, my primary concern is that we're not using a new term ("The Blip") not used in the film without an explanation. Both GoneIn60's and your changes adequately address that concern, so it's not that big of a deal to me as to whose version to use, though I do have a slight preference for GoneIn60's given that plot summaries should normally stick to terms actually uttered in the film (or previous films). InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Notes

Notes

Orphaned references in Avengers: Endgame

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Avengers: Endgame's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Jun2023Delays":

• From Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Six: McClintock, Pamela; Couch, Aaron (June 13, 2023). "'Avatar 3' Pushed a Year to 2025, Two 'Star Wars' Movies Head for 2026 and 'Avengers' Films Delayed". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on June 13, 2023. Retrieved June 13, 2023.
• From Marvel Cinematic Universe: McClintock, Pamela (June 13, 2023). "'Avatar 3' Pushed a Year to 2025, Two 'Star Wars' Movies Head for 2026 and 'Avengers' Films Delayed". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on June 13, 2023. Retrieved June 13, 2023.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done - adamstom97 (talk) 04:06, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Potential FAC nom

I requested a peer review as the first step in prepping the article for FAC. I don't have experience with working with FA vs GA standards if anyone would like to work with me or help out in any way. I'm hoping to get it to FA in time to nominate it as Today's Featured Article April 26, 2024 for the 5th anniversary. -- ZooBlazer^talk 02:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Okoye

There is a dispute at Talk:Avengers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Addition of Okoye in the team roster on whether Okoye (and Captain Marvel) qualify as members of the Avengers, given their level of participation. Editors are invited to weigh in. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)