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Kirkpatrick Sales' 1996 book "Rebels Against the Future: The Luddites and their War on the Industrial Revolution" London: Quartet Books is worth a read. It concentrates on Luddites and touches on Neo-Luddites. For the insights of scientist looking at his work and the potential harm it may hold (esp. nanotechnology) take a look at: Joy, Bill (2001): "Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us" URL www.aaas.org/spp/rd/ch3.pdf (as printed in 'Wired' magazine). To examine other views on nanotechnology see ch4,5, and 6 within same site address. |
Kirkpatrick Sales' 1996 book "Rebels Against the Future: The Luddites and their War on the Industrial Revolution" London: Quartet Books is worth a read. It concentrates on Luddites and touches on Neo-Luddites. For the insights of scientist looking at his work and the potential harm it may hold (esp. nanotechnology) take a look at: Joy, Bill (2001): "Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us" URL www.aaas.org/spp/rd/ch3.pdf (as printed in 'Wired' magazine). To examine other views on nanotechnology see ch4,5, and 6 within same site address. |
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--RichardSeabury |
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The statement "Luddites objected primarily to the rising popularity of automated textile equipment, threatening the jobs and livelihoods of skilled workers as this technology allowed them to be replaced by cheaper and less skilled workers." does not seem to be supported by the source cited and if anything seems to contradict the source. [[User:Aramintywhitesell|Aramintywhitesell]] ([[User talk:Aramintywhitesell|talk]]) 13:28, 15 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== Rename to "Luddism (movement)"? == |
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved''' to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 13:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC) |
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[[:Luddite]] → {{no redirect|Luddism}} – For consistency with other Wikipedia articles, naming the movement rather than a term for adherents. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 13:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
[[:Luddite]] → {{no redirect|Luddism}} – For consistency with other Wikipedia articles, naming the movement rather than a term for adherents. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 13:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Opposed''': The current title is a much more frequently used term. See [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=luddite%2Cluddism&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true Ngram]. — [[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 17:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
* '''Opposed''': The current title is a much more frequently used term. See [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=luddite%2Cluddism&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true Ngram]. — [[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 17:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Opposed''': The current title is more frequently used. See above.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 01:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Opposed''': The current title is more frequently used. See above.--[[User:Jack Upland|Jack Upland]] ([[User talk:Jack Upland|talk]]) 01:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Opposed''': Why mess with a good thing? The current title is what everyone knows and searches for. [[User:Iwaqarhashmi|'''<span style="background:#FF0000;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 lightgray">Waqar</span>''']][[User talk:Iwaqarhashmi|<span style="background:#0000FF;padding:2px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">💬</span>]] 09:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Clear [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 13:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], ngram view reference above <span style="color:#ef5224">[[User:BrigadierG|BrigadierG]]</span> ([[User talk:BrigadierG|talk]]) 23:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''': just adding to the clear COMMONNAME consensus. About 75000 results for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22luddism%22&sca_esv=80a930aee8f476b4&sca_upv=1&ei=rDXBZoyRDP_fkPIPwc2NkQ0&ved=0ahUKEwiMl-upmv2HAxX_L0QIHcFmI9IQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=%22luddism%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiCSJsdWRkaXNtIjILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBhAAGAcYHjIGEAAYBxgeSMYKUJIEWLsJcAJ4AZABAJgBaKABywSqAQM2LjG4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgagAuICwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICDhAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAggQLhiABBixA8ICCBAuGAcYChgemAMAiAYBkAYIkgcDNS4xoAfbKw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp luddism] vs about 1.4 million results for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22luddite%22&sca_esv=80a930aee8f476b4&sca_upv=1&ei=tDXBZrfAK_PUkPIP3qKOsQo&ved=0ahUKEwi36vKtmv2HAxVzKkQIHV6RI6YQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=%22luddite%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiCSJsdWRkaXRlIjILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyDhAAGIAEGJECGLEDGIoFMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIGEAAYBxgeMgYQABgHGB4yBRAAGIAEMgYQABgHGB5IigZQ-gFYuARwBXgAkAEAmAE1oAE1qgEBMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCBaACF8ICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAggQLhgHGAoYHpgDAIgGAZAGCJIHATWgB6UE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp luddite]. That's an 18x difference. [[User:Bait30|<span style='color: #ffffff;background-color: #bf5700;'><b> Bait30 </b></span>]] [[User Talk:Bait30|<sup><span style='color: #ffffff;background-color: #bf5700;'><b>''Talk 2 me pls''?</b></span></sup>]] 23:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]To get one modern perspective, try to find a book called Sabotage in the American Workplace, I think from AK Press. It's just about a hundred stories summarized from interviews with real people about why they had (and in only one case, had not) done things at workk that they weren't "supposed" to do, everything from breaking equipment to get a break, to stealing supplies, to spitting in the soup. --JohnAbbe
Kirkpatrick Sales' 1996 book "Rebels Against the Future: The Luddites and their War on the Industrial Revolution" London: Quartet Books is worth a read. It concentrates on Luddites and touches on Neo-Luddites. For the insights of scientist looking at his work and the potential harm it may hold (esp. nanotechnology) take a look at: Joy, Bill (2001): "Why the Future Doesn’t Need Us" URL www.aaas.org/spp/rd/ch3.pdf (as printed in 'Wired' magazine). To examine other views on nanotechnology see ch4,5, and 6 within same site address. --RichardSeabury
Rename to "Luddism (movement)"?
[edit]The introductory sentence and the article focus on the movement and not on the individuals or the label, so maybe the article should be renamed accordingly. I could imagine reasons to keep the title as it is of course, for example "Luddite" is the most common word form in which we might see references to this movement. Adamw (talk) 11:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think for that reason it's best left as it is.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 12 August 2024
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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 13:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Luddite → Luddism – For consistency with other Wikipedia articles, naming the movement rather than a term for adherents. Jruderman (talk) 13:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment by nominator: "Luddite" can be used as an insult, which arguably makes the article title "Luddite" non-neutral for some readers. Jruderman (talk) 13:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed: The current title is a much more frequently used term. See Ngram. — BarrelProof (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed: The current title is more frequently used. See above.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed: Why mess with a good thing? The current title is what everyone knows and searches for. Waqar💬 09:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Clear WP:COMMONNAME. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, ngram view reference above BrigadierG (talk) 23:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: just adding to the clear COMMONNAME consensus. About 75000 results for luddism vs about 1.4 million results for luddite. That's an 18x difference. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 23:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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