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::rtbu.org.au would be a primary source. [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 03:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::rtbu.org.au would be a primary source. [[User:LibStar|LibStar]] ([[User talk:LibStar|talk]]) 03:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Relisting. It would be helpful to get an assessment on this huge list of links so we know whether or not they are reliable. Tamaraharon, it would be helpful if you made this live, active links.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 02:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Mark Diamond]]</noinclude></p>
:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Relisting. It would be helpful to get an assessment on this huge list of links so we know whether or not they are reliable. Tamaraharon, it would be helpful if you made this live, active links.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 02:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Mark Diamond]]</noinclude></p>
::'''Delete''' I had looked at this article when it was first listed, and found many of the sources identified by @[[User:Tamaraharon|Tamaraharon]] so this was quick work. Aside from the primary sources, these are mostly just Diamond being quoted in an article which I don't think qualifies for notability. {{pb}}I see one source that qualifies for notability in the whole pile -- the Sydney Morning Herald article, #11 below -- which can be seen as significant and independent coverage from a major news outlet. The Guardian article #16 has a bit of editorial independence but it's really short - basically quoting him and then quoting someone reacting to him.{{pb}}
::* [https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rail-unions-given-24-hours-to-call-off-industrial-action-20220901-p5bepf.html] - quoting MD only
::* [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/06/sydney-train-strikes-union-boss-hopes-federal-intervention-puts-go-slow-on-nsw-government-action] - quoting MD only
::* [https://www.rtbu.org.au/mark_diamond_appointed_as_new_rtbu_national_secretary] - primary
::* [https://www.rtbu.org.au/who_s_who] - primary
::* [https://www.actu.org.au/directory/rail-tram-and-bus-union-rtbu-national-office/] - doesn't mention MD
::* [https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/dominic-perrottet-told-to-call-gladys-berejiklian-as-rail-feud-continues/news-story/12176af725b86627d3612ee8ee0a7586] - quoting extensively with some editorial independence (but no independent reporting about Diamond)
::* [https://www.rtbu.org.au/national_council_2023_wrap] - primary
::* [https://rtbuexpress.com.au/rtbu-owned-training-organisation/] - primary
::* [https://www.rtbu.org.au/resignation_of_national_secretary_mark_diamond] - primary
::* [https://www.railexpress.com.au/rtbu-appoints-new-national-secretary/] - all material about him is from RBTU employee, lacks independence
::* [https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/compromise-in-the-jobs-summit-confrontation-in-the-foyer-20220901-p5bemu.html] - independent, significant, about Diamond
::* [https://www.fullyloaded.com.au/rtbu-names-new-national-secretary/] - same as railexpress.com.au article #10, lacks independence
::* [https://www.busnews.com.au/rtbu-says-federal-budget-a-turning-point-in-public-transport-funding/] - quoting MD only
::* [https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/organisations/registered-orgs/139v-r2022-201.pdf] - mention only
::* [https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Hansard/Pages/HansardResult.aspx#/docid/HANSARD-1820781676-96367] - all material about him is from RBTU employee, lacks independence
::* [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/01/dummy-spitting-nsw-government-gives-rail-union-24-hours-to-end-industrial-action] - quoting MD, plus very brief coverage
::* [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/wallan-train-derailment-union-says-track-awaiting-maintenance/11987230] - quoting MD only
:: [[User:Oblivy|Oblivy]] ([[User talk:Oblivy|talk]]) 13:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Questionable notability for Australian bureaucrat. Most sources discuss the RTBU rather than Diamond. Insufficient WP:RS to meet WP:ANYBIO. Cabrils (talk) 02:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Profile is sufficing the WP:BLP and WP:Notability. As per the WRS, here's the link providing his mentions on multiple government official websites as well as on Parliament of New South Wales' official website. Article can be made concise rejecting the poorly sourced information. Here are the links below I have found during research validating his notability.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/rail-unions-given-24-hours-to-call-off-industrial-action-20220901-p5bepf.html
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/06/sydney-train-strikes-union-boss-hopes-federal-intervention-puts-go-slow-on-nsw-government-action
https://www.rtbu.org.au/mark_diamond_appointed_as_new_rtbu_national_secretary
https://www.rtbu.org.au/who_s_who
https://www.actu.org.au/directory/rail-tram-and-bus-union-rtbu-national-office/
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/dominic-perrottet-told-to-call-gladys-berejiklian-as-rail-feud-continues/news-story/12176af725b86627d3612ee8ee0a7586
https://www.rtbu.org.au/national_council_2023_wrap
https://rtbuexpress.com.au/rtbu-owned-training-organisation/
https://www.rtbu.org.au/resignation_of_national_secretary_mark_diamond
https://www.railexpress.com.au/rtbu-appoints-new-national-secretary/
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/compromise-in-the-jobs-summit-confrontation-in-the-foyer-20220901-p5bemu.html
https://www.fullyloaded.com.au/rtbu-names-new-national-secretary/
https://www.busnews.com.au/rtbu-says-federal-budget-a-turning-point-in-public-transport-funding/
https://www.themandarin.com.au/198708-perrottet-and-rtbu-attend-summit-as-industrial-actions-continue/
https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/organisations/registered-orgs/139v-r2022-201.pdf
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Hansard/Pages/HansardResult.aspx#/docid/HANSARD-1820781676-96367
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/01/dummy-spitting-nsw-government-gives-rail-union-24-hours-to-end-industrial-action
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/wallan-train-derailment-union-says-track-awaiting-maintenance/11987230
Tamaraharon (talk) 17:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
rtbu.org.au would be a primary source. LibStar (talk) 03:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. It would be helpful to get an assessment on this huge list of links so we know whether or not they are reliable. Tamaraharon, it would be helpful if you made this live, active links.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I had looked at this article when it was first listed, and found many of the sources identified by @Tamaraharon so this was quick work. Aside from the primary sources, these are mostly just Diamond being quoted in an article which I don't think qualifies for notability.
I see one source that qualifies for notability in the whole pile -- the Sydney Morning Herald article, #11 below -- which can be seen as significant and independent coverage from a major news outlet. The Guardian article #16 has a bit of editorial independence but it's really short - basically quoting him and then quoting someone reacting to him.
  • [1] - quoting MD only
  • [2] - quoting MD only
  • [3] - primary
  • [4] - primary
  • [5] - doesn't mention MD
  • [6] - quoting extensively with some editorial independence (but no independent reporting about Diamond)
  • [7] - primary
  • [8] - primary
  • [9] - primary
  • [10] - all material about him is from RBTU employee, lacks independence
  • [11] - independent, significant, about Diamond
  • [12] - same as railexpress.com.au article #10, lacks independence
  • [13] - quoting MD only
  • [14] - mention only
  • [15] - all material about him is from RBTU employee, lacks independence
  • [16] - quoting MD, plus very brief coverage
  • [17] - quoting MD only
Oblivy (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]