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==Common Voice main article links back to this page ==
in the section "Common Voice" there is a link to the main article. This article doesn't exist and links right back to this page. The history only shows the creation of the redirect. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Stefangrotz|Stefangrotz]] ([[User talk:Stefangrotz#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stefangrotz|contribs]]) 11:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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:[[Mozilla (disambiguation)]] needs to be redirected to [[Mozilla]], which should remain how it looks now: short summaries of each deinition, with links to the longer articles. [[Mozilla Application Suite]] needs to be created to talk about the suite. --[[User:Taestell|taestell]] 00:11, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
:[[Mozilla (disambiguation)]] needs to be redirected to [[Mozilla]], which should remain how it looks now: short summaries of each deinition, with links to the longer articles. [[Mozilla Application Suite]] needs to be created to talk about the suite. --[[User:Taestell|taestell]] 00:11, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


==Confusing page==
== WebThings ==
I'm a layman and I'm confused. Is there any connection between Netscape and Mozilla-the-makers-of-Firefox? And if Mozilla is a trademark of Netscape, why are Mozilla-the-makers-of-Firefox allowed to use it as the name for a free browser that many people use in preference to buying Netscape Navigator?! I'm sure all the relevant info is in this article, but it's not clearly expressed for ignorant readers like myself. A few sentences in the introduction could make this so much clearer. [[User:The Singing Badger|The Singing Badger]] 23:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
:In looking at the article, the answers to your questions seem obvious. I don't see any reason to put the specific information you mention at the top of the article, other than that seems to be to the information you happened to be looking for while reading the article. The article doesn't say that ''Mozilla'' is a trademark of Netscape &mdash; it clearly states that ''Mozilla is a trademark of the Mozilla Foundation''. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 03:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

: Yeah, you're right. Maybe I shouldn't try to read articles when I'm tired. Thanks for making the effort to reply, and I apologize. <:( [[User:The Singing Badger|The Singing Badger]] 04:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

==Tax Evasion Rumors==
Does anyone know if the Mozilla tax evasion stuff posted on an apparently not-approved-for-wikipedia website is true??? I stumbled upon it and now I am quite curious. The article doesn't mention this at all, are the tax evasion accusations all rot? --JP 4/24/06

:Being a legal matter, wouldn't that be for a court to decide? Until the matter is brought to court, I think we should dismiss any criminal accusations as unfounded. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 00:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

== mozilla foundation and suite work, future tense ==
> Mozilla Foundation will no longer release new versions of the suite, so that developers can focus on Firefox and Thunderbird.

I'm not quite sure how to comment on an article like this, but the Mozilla Foundation made the choice so that *its* developers can focus on Firefox/Thundebird. The sentence to me, as I read it, seems to imply that it was so that all (Mozilla) developers could focus on Firefox and Thunderbird.

Also, if Mozilla Foundation is no longer releasing versions, wouldn't "Mozilla Foundation no longer makes new releases of the suite" (present instead of future tense), be better? Or alternatively, if someone really likes the current construction, perhaps "As of <date/reference>, {sentence}"?

I'm not certain that there will not be another 1.7.x release.

18 June 2006

== Mozilla Application Suite section ==
I was reading a bit in this section of the article, and I notice there's a picture of Firefox 2 RC3 in there. There are two things about this. The first thing is, there's a Firefox screenshot in this section. Should this be removed/relocated somewhere else? The second thing is, It's mislabeled as "Mozilla 2.0". If it fits anywhere else in here, shouldn't it be called "Mozilla Firefox 2.0"? After all, that would mislead someone reading to learn a bit of information about the Mozilla Suite.
[[User:Moronicles|Moronicles]] 20:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

==Mozilla vs Mozzilla==
Surpisingly, entering Mozzilla (2 'z's) into a Wikipedia search, seamlessly sends you to this page (1 'z'). Yet, searching for Mozzilla with 2z in google, cheerfully sends you to http://www.mozzilla.pl/, complete with a firefox 2 download "invitation". I'm not a security expert, but something about the page makes me think that it's malware, masquerading as Mozilla (1z). I was hoping to get confirmation of my gut feel here, (or if it's legit, a good explanation of what's going on). But... there's no inkle here of anything. confused & paranoid. [[User:64.26.147.9|64.26.147.9]] 08:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

: Uh, download what you ''know'' you can trust and stay on the official website. That's the wisest thing to do pretty much always. There's no need to be paranoid. [[User:Womanhood|Womanhood]] 06:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

== Mascot ==
There is nothing about the use of the mascot for the Mozilla Suite. Please also add caption for the two pictures.
{| style="float:center;"
| [[:Image:Mozilla logo.gif|thumb|right|200px|Mozilla logo (yes but more precisely old/alternative logo of the Mozilla Foundation?)]]
| [[:Image:Mozilla Mascot.svg|165px|right|thumb|author? date? which usage?]]
|} <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:16@r|16@r]] ([[User talk:16@r|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/16@r|contribs]]) 18:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== Section - A collective name for all Mozilla-based browsers ==
I was just wondering if a comprehensive table of version numbers of all related browsers might be drawn up? Looking at the release history in the SeaMonkey article, there are columns that tell you which branch version each version is built from (for example, SeaMonkey v 1.1.5 comes from rv 1.8.1). I think that if we had something which listed Firefox, Netscape, SeaMonkey, Camino, Flock, K-Meleon etc, all together, then this might help people to know which product has the latest additions to the layout engine, security, etc (considering that release dates do not always indicate this) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.232.19.118|62.232.19.118]] ([[User talk:62.232.19.118|talk]]) 11:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Mascot ==
Can someone please add the original Mozilla? [[User:Helpsloose|Helpsloose]] 03:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Air Mozilla ==
Will anything be listed about this?
http://air.mozilla.com/ <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ConradKilroy|ConradKilroy]] ([[User talk:ConradKilroy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ConradKilroy|contribs]]) 05:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The Mozilla in ''Air Mozilla'' is the same as the Mozilla Corporation, so it's already described in this article. You can [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Air_Mozilla&redirect=no create a new article for Air Mozilla] if you like. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] 12:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== mascott ==
For some reason I thought the mozilla mascott for netscape was different then the mozilla mascott for the mozilla foundation. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] 21:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== reorder? ==
IMHO: all this history, name and logo stuff is interesting but secondary. IMHO: the Mozilla s/w suites should be primary info, and thus have a central place in the initial introductory paragraphs, and come early in the article. ''Then'', such a strange name as "Mozilla" and the use of a T. Rexxy logo must obviously be explained. Other IxHO:s? <span style="color: #800000; background-color: #FFFFA0; padding: 1px 2px 3px 2px">''Said: [[User:Rursus|Rursus]] [[User talk:Rursus|☻]]''</span> 09:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== mozilla.org ==
mozilla.org redirects to here. The article should document the project during the pre-Foundation days, when it was led by [[jwz]] and afterwards, especially the aspect of community-authored essays and whatnot. [[Special:Contributions/129.15.131.246|129.15.131.246]] ([[User talk:129.15.131.246|talk]]) 08:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:That was intended for the [[Mozilla Foundation]] page, although I think what I'm describing would fit in better here. [[Special:Contributions/129.15.131.246|129.15.131.246]] ([[User talk:129.15.131.246|talk]]) 08:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== XML and blog ==
What about include information about managing of XML file (i.e. metalink files or RSS files) in SeaMonkey and Firefox (latest versions)?. --[[Special:Contributions/77.210.125.202|77.210.125.202]] ([[User talk:77.210.125.202|talk]]) 08:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

==What's with the British Spellings?==
This is an entirely American page, and there should be no British spellings on this page. I'll let you use behaviour or organisation on the Beatles page, but there is no reason for that here. USA! USA! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/132.236.150.198|132.236.150.198]] ([[User talk:132.236.150.198|talk]]) 14:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The reason is given in Wikipedia's [[MOS:RETAIN|Manual of Style]]. —DIV ([[Special:Contributions/137.111.13.4|137.111.13.4]] ([[User talk:137.111.13.4|talk]]) 05:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC))

== Songbird ==
Songbird is mentioned as a mozilla product, but I doubt it is actually one. It's made by Pioneers of the Inevitable. Check the website, it uses XUL so it's POWERED by mozilla. No more. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.179.53.57|76.179.53.57]] ([[User talk:76.179.53.57|talk]]) 21:13, 4 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Mozilla Labs ==
"Mozilla Labs" redirects here, but is not explained in the article. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] ([[User talk:Beland|talk]]) 16:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I have an error message when launching Mozilla Firefox states chrome <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.79.56.152|71.79.56.152]] ([[User talk:71.79.56.152|talk]]) 10:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Name origin ==
According to this page, "The name was created as a contraction of the words 'Mosaic killer', hinting that Netscape would be the end to the (then only) competitor browser, Mosaic." Yet according to [[-zilla (suffix)]], the name illustrates "a back-formation derived from the Japanese movie character Godzilla," and provides two sources to that effect. Should this inconsistency be mentioned on the page? The citations on -zilla suggest that, regardless of what Mozilla's creators had in mind, contemporary hearers relate the word to Godzilla. There should be some source added for the historical 'Mosaic killer' etymology. [[User:Cnilep|Cnilep]] ([[User talk:Cnilep|talk]]) 16:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

: My guess is that it's both - it started off as "Mosaic killer", became the portmanteau "Mosiller", which someone realised almost rhymes with "Godzilla", and so the spelling was changed to match. But that's only a guess. However, the list on [[-zilla (suffix)]] looks to me like a mishmash of entities named after Mozilla and entities named directly after Godzilla. -- [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 19:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

: I was there when we came up with the nickname Mozilla, and I can tell you categorically that it does not stand for "Mosaic Killer". Mozilla is a blending of "Mosaic" and "Godzilla". The "Mosaic Killer" meaning would have made no sense at that time since the name of our company was "Mosaic Communications". Mozilla was what we called our browser since we didn't have any other name at the time. Zawinski was a huge fan of Gozilla at the time and had Gozilla toys and posters around the office. Eventually Greg Sands named the product Netscape and then we ended up changing our company name to Netscape a few months later. Here is a Quora reference, but it is from me, so it isnt' a great citation. http://www.quora.com/User-Agents/Why-do-non-Mozilla-browsers-include-Mozilla-in-their-user-agent-strings What kind of citation would you want for this? [[User:Montulli|Montulli]] ([[User talk:Montulli|talk]]) 19:48, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Still needs to be fixed! Other mozilla-related pages on wikipedia all follow the "Mosaic Killer" word origin, but this still sticks to the origin being Mosaic Godzilla.
[[Special:Contributions/2001:569:7D77:E700:E15F:EF44:CCD1:5A80|2001:569:7D77:E700:E15F:EF44:CCD1:5A80]] ([[User talk:2001:569:7D77:E700:E15F:EF44:CCD1:5A80|talk]]) 20:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==
How is the name Mozilla meant to be pronounced? In my time I seem to have come across /məʊ'zɪlə/, /mɒ'zɪlə/, /mə'zɪlə/, /mɒt'sɪlə/ and /mɒd'zɪlə/. Can anyone find any statement of the official pronunciation anywhere? -- [[User:Smjg|Smjg]] ([[User talk:Smjg|talk]]) 19:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Working at Mozilla ==

I nwork at Mozilla. It is a happy enviroment, I help out on live Firefox support aswel helping troubled users. Though, some can get abit buggy!

[[User:Wjack2010|Wjack2010]] ([[User talk:Wjack2010|talk]]) 16:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'm glad to hear it, but keep in mind that [[WP:NOT#FORUM|Wikipedia is not a forum]]. This discussion page is for discussing the encyclopedia article for ''Mozilla''. Thanks. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 16:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Part of the "user agent string" of many browsers ==

Hi I hope I can remove non-proved informarion (especulative or opinion) from the article, in bold I selected exactly what I hope to get removed:
"Because the Netscape browser '''initially implemented many features not available in other browsers and''' quickly came to dominate the market, a number of web sites were designed to work, or work fully, only when they detected an appropriate version of <tt>Mozilla</tt> in the user agent string."

This information doesn't even add a specific info to the real topic of information '''"Part of the "user agent string" of many browsers"'''.
The fact is Netscape didn't came to dominate the market because it "implemented many features not available in other browsers", if the editor didn't forgot there were/are many other browsers than Internet Explorer that implemented features before Netscape... that's fanboy's lie.
Maybe other browsers didn't implemented these features the fanboy wanted us to believe, but implemented other fetures... My question: who defines which features does people wants in their browsers? A Wikipedian?

Marketing and cost + AOL's hands, that's the reason Netscape dominated the marketing. --[[User:Rafaelluik|Rafaelluik]] ([[User talk:Rafaelluik|talk]]) 19:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

:The article does not say why Netscape came to dominate the market. It says ''Because the Netscape browser initially implemented many features not available in other browsers and quickly came to dominate the market'', making no mention of a cause-effect relationship between the statement ''the Netscape browser initially implemented many features not available in other browsers'' and the statement ''Netscape quickly came to dominate the market''. It simply states that both of those things occurred. You've created a [[strawman argument]]. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 19:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::You still have no proof of "Netscape browser initially implemented many features not available in other browsers". --[[User:Rafaelluik|Rafaelluik]] ([[User talk:Rafaelluik|talk]]) 21:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:::The current wording is OK, Schapel explanation is solid. [[User:AgadaUrbanit|AgadaUrbanit]] ([[User talk:AgadaUrbanit|talk]]) 00:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Netscape was the first to implement [[JavaScript]], [[HTTP cookie|Cookies]], and [[NPAPI|Plugins]]. They didn't just implement those features first; they invented the features. Those are major browser features still in wide use today. How you can say I have "no proof" is bewildering. Is it your contention that Netscape did not implement these features first? -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 02:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Ah! Now I get it... You meant web page features, not today's web browser "features"... You consider the "support for JS features" a feature while I'm used to consider "tabs" as a feature, hm the web was really different back in the time, I really get it now thanks. --[[User:Rafaelluik|Rafaelluik]] ([[User talk:Rafaelluik|talk]]) 23:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sandbox ==

I'm with a group of Mozillans and Wikipedians and after a lot of discussions, we think this page needs a really fundamental rewrite. We've put up a sandbox page at Talk:Mozilla/Sandbox<!--page no longer exist - histmerged into Mozilla-->. Input welcome. —[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] ([[User talk:Tom Morris|talk]]) 13:20, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
:The draft is now complete and histmerged into the article! Thanks everyone! [[User:Deryck Chan|Der]][[User talk:Deryck Chan|yck C.]] 14:32, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

== How to mention the CISCO proprietary compromise? ==

The intro presents Mozilla from Mozilla's point of view. Using their manifesto as a reference is far from optimal. A reader of the manifesto would think that Mozilla wouldn't install proprietary video codecs on your computer, but that's what they've recently decided to do: [http://gigaom.com/2013/10/30/mozilla-will-add-h-264-to-firefox-as-cisco-makes-eleventh-hour-push-for-webrtcs-future/] [http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/australian-technology/cisco-to-release-open-source-h264-codec-mozilla-makes-tactical-retreat/]

I'm not looking to discuss whether they did the right thing or not, but the article should note that Mozilla's values can be interpreted in various ways depending on the circumstances.

A free software supporter reading the Mozilla Manifesto could think it's great and that Mozilla will therefore reject all non-free software. A Microsoft or Apple employee could read it and think it applies equally to their work and could argue that the Manifesto ''requires'' installing non-free software because it's necessary for providing people with the technical/physical possibilities to enjoy what's available on the internet.

Mozilla's actions show that they are much much much closer to the free software interpretation. But, their recent move shows they can interpret their manifesto in the non-free sense when they think it's beneficial.

It's important to note that Mozilla's compromise was done to maintain their market share so that they would be in a position to act as a conduit for a free format when the next format battle erupts. So they really do have free software values at heart, but still, the link to their manifesto is misleading without context.

Any ideas for how to mention this in the article? --[[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 09:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

:How about find a secondary source that says what you want to say, summarize what it says in your own words, and cite it in the article? That's basically the same procedure as adding any material to Wikipedia. If you want to say that Mozilla can interpret their manifesto in the non-free sense, find a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] that says that and [[WP:CITE|cite]] it. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 23:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

::The two links I gave should do for sources, but the difficulty is finding a fair wording. I don't have a source saying "Mozilla interprets their manifesto as it suits them", but the article would just be misleading if it said "Mozilla is committed to openness", and then in the next sentence "Mozilla installs non-free software". There's currently no secondary source for the former, but I do have one for the latter, so I'll delete the part that says Mozilla is committed to openness (until someone digs up a secondary source). I wanted to ask here first because I think it's a bit harsh. Mozilla ''is'' committed to free software. I just don't have a reference for that right now. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 09:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mozilla&diff=584667726&oldid=582871498 Done.] It's possible that putting this in the intro is giving it undue weight. Given the years long contributions of Mozilla to free software and open standards. I've no objection to it being moved to a lower section, but the old intro "Mozilla follows its manifesto" simply had to be changed. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 09:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:::One problem: "This was justified..." We should avoid passive voice, and worse, it doesn't explain who did the justifying. All opinions stated in Wikipedia should be attributed to some person or group. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 16:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Quite correct. I've added to refs now, and moved it out of the intro. Mozilla really is a good member of the free software community, so their compromises (should be noted but) shouldn't be exaggerated. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 21:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::I think in the same vein we might want to mention the fact that Mozilla stopped supporting [[MNG]], a web standard for animated graphics, and introduced [[APNG]], a non-standard extension for animated graphics. Mozilla does fight for use of standardized technology and free software, but they do indeed make compromises. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 15:20, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::I don't know the details, but the [[MNG]] article says that none of the major browsers supported it. It was supposed to replace GIFs on web pages, so major browser support is important. It looks like Mozilla tried to promote it, but it didn't take off, and then tried a different format, and that was a success. Seems like a technical or tactical decision - I don't see how it explains or contradicts their values.
::::::I'm not even sure that APNG is non-standard (compared to MNG). PNG is standardised by IESG, and it's a ''de facto'' standard because everyone implements it. APNG isn't approved by any standards body, but it's widely supported so it's at least a ''de facto'' standard. (And the spec is published and there's a free software reference implementation, so it's "open".) As for MNG, I searched the ietf.org site for "multiple-image network graphics" and got no hits. I don't think dropping MNG support contradicts their claims to support open standards. They can't support ''every'' open standard - that would make the software too big - so they have to choose. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 17:06, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Mozilla supported MNG, but they yanked support back when their usage share was under 2%. APNG is popular because Mozilla threw their weight behind it and not long afterwards had an order of magnitude more usage share. If they would have done the same for MNG, it would be popular instead of APNG. In essence, Mozilla did what IE and Netscape did in the early days -- made up their own proprietary technology and push it rather than the standards, which contradicts the manifesto again. They may or may not have had a valid justification for doing so, but they did do it. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 19:13, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Was MNG a standard? How is APNG more proprietary than MNG?
::::::::Microsoft's actions are nasty because they invent a format, keep it secret, and then free software browsers are at a disadvantage. It's a way to attack others. Mozilla's format was publicly documented and they published a free software implementation, so it couldn't have been used the way Microsoft (and maybe Netscape, I can't remember) did.
::::::::Microsoft was trying to replace open formats with closed formats. But where's the harm in what Mozilla did with APNG? What's the contradiction with their manifesto? They stopped supporting one particular open format/standard, but they didn't harm open standards in general, they just replaced open format A with open format B. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 20:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::The harm Mozilla did was not supporting web standards, as they claim they do. MNG is a web standard, as part of PNG. APNG is a proprietary format invented by Mozilla; they then submitted it to a standards body and it was rejected, so my understanding is that it is still non-standard to this day, as explained in the Wikipedia article on PNG. The problem with what IE and Netscape did was not to make the technologies "open", but created their own proprietary tags instead of following what the standards dictated or waiting for standard to be developed. Mozilla is supposed to stand for supporting existing web standards, not having browser makers create their own non-standard technogolies, as they themselves did with APNG. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 22:59, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::MNG isn't part of the PNG standard, [https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2083#page-39 section 8.4 of the standard] says it was explicitly decided not to include any support for animation. So in terms of being open or proprietary, MNG and APNG are in the exact same position. Mozilla supported one, it wasn't a success, so they (wrote and) supported the other, and it was a partial success (much broader support, but still very little usage). It looks like Mozilla is just doing their best to promote and support an open format to replace GIF. Nothing nasty or harmful. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 00:06, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::I never said anything about being nasty or harmful. I'm just saying that Mozilla developed their own proprietary format and dropped support for a web standard, which is contrary to their stated mission. MNG wasn't a success because Mozilla dropped it in favor of APNG. If they had just supported the already existing MNG, there never would have been any APNG. In any case, I'll add the facts to the article -- this quibbling over details is pointless. -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 14:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ok, but APNG and MNG are in the exact same position in terms of being "proprietary" or "a web standard". Neither are published by a recognised standards body, but both have a public spec and a free software reference implementation. I can't see how a link can be made to their values. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 14:24, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I found another example of Mozilla creating and supporting propritary technologies, as described here: [https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming:Web_Standards_Support]. Again, someone is pointing out that Mozilla added something proprietary (the spellcheck attribute) and began supporting it without getting it approved by a standards body. It looks like a Mozilla employee asks '''How are we any better, then, than Microsoft and all its superfluous DOM extensions?''' Indeed! -- [[User:Schapel|Schapel]] ([[User talk:Schapel|talk]]) 14:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Their [http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ Shumway] project is a bigger example of displaying content written in non-standardised formats, but where's the contradiction with their values? They never said they'd only support things published by standards bodies. I just noticed that [https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/ their manifesto] doesn't include the word "standard" anywhere. They only mention "format" once, and it's just to say that they value interoperability.
::::::::::::::(This is partly because their manifesto contains almost no commitments to anything. Shame on them for publishing a vague marketing document and calling it a "manifesto". But that's beside the point.)
::::::::::::::As for the spellchecker comment. It seems it was made by someone called "Error792", in 2006[https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming:Web_Standards_Support&diff=prev&oldid=39200], and it was his/her only contribution to the wiki. Anyone can make an account on that wiki.[https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup] Are you sure it's a Mozilla employee? But even if it was an employee, I don't think that that comment proves anything about their values.
::::::::::::::But we could add something to say "''Mozilla has done a lot of work to promote open formats, but they also include code to display web pages written in non-standard and even proprietary technlogies, such as Flash and ...''". Do you have any reliable sources for major criticism of Mozilla regarding stanards? For a project with millions of users, comments from individual users aren't indicative of much. [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 21:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

== Red Panda or Red Fox? ==

:The Firefox logo features a red panda, also known as a Firefox.

Mozilla have officially said that it is a Red Panda [http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/firefox-name-faq.html]. But the artists specifically said he ignored what a Red Panda looked like [http://hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/branding-firefox] and that the logo was based on a image of a Red Fox. [http://idsgn.org/posts/firefox-refreshes-logo/]

[[Firefox OS]] uses a Red Fox as the mascot.

So while it makes sense to say Mozilla refer to it as a Red Panda, it's clear the people who actually drew the logo had something else is mind. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/202.7.39.57|202.7.39.57]] ([[User talk:202.7.39.57|talk]]) 04:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Removal of values documenting CEO ==

{{strikethrough|I consider it a non-scandal. This was in 2008, and suddenly, just because he's Firefox's new CEO, it all of a sudden deserves a mention? [[WP:DUE]] is my main concern. [[User:Ging287|Ging287]] ([[User talk:Ging287|talk]]) 15:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)}}

:A non-scandal?, [[WP:DUE]]? You can’t be serious! A story reported by every major news network. AP characterized it as an anti-gay marriage campaign that is prompting concerns about how Silicon Valley's strongly liberal culture might quash the very openness that is at the region's foundation. Much more later. Cheers. [[User:Grahamboat|Grahamboat]] ([[User talk:Grahamboat|talk]]) 04:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
:: I've since rescinded my proposal and even built upon this section. [[User:Ging287|Ging287]] ([[User talk:Ging287|talk]]) 18:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

:::There was a lot of information in Values that really belonged in the History section – I moved it. Cheers. [[User:Grahamboat|Grahamboat]] ([[User talk:Grahamboat|talk]]) 18:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

== So IP editor... ==

{{ping|67.6.110.59}}, care to explain why you added those tags and what your conflict is with this article? [[User:Ging287|Ging287]] ([[User talk:Ging287|talk]]) 03:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

:I agree the tags are not needed. Let’s wait a bit for others to chime-in before removing. Cheers. [[User:Grahamboat|Grahamboat]] ([[User talk:Grahamboat|talk]]) 21:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

::Removed tags - no consensus. Cheers. [[User:Grahamboat|Grahamboat]] ([[User talk:Grahamboat|talk]]) 17:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

== Shift Eich from Values to Controversy? ==

At present the info about Eich is listed under Values. I suggest a new section be created for it given the ongoing furore and apparently plummeting market share. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.38.231|118.208.38.231]] ([[User talk:118.208.38.231|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 18:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I agree. {{done}} Cheers. [[User:Grahamboat|Grahamboat]] ([[User talk:Grahamboat|talk]]) 21:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

::I'm all for a good controversy ( or a bad one. whatever. ) That said, even when tempers are high, we still need to use this language in such a way that most English-speakers comprehend easily. Rather than being accused of some sort of bigotry, I would prefer that someone familiar with the subject make the correction. The last sentence in the last paragraph of the Eich controversy is AT THE VERY LEAST a run-on sentence. Please, someone, take a crack at it, or I will be forced to "be bold" where i have no dog in the fight. [[User:Ragityman|Rags]] ([[User talk:Ragityman|talk]]) 23:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

== Marketplace ==

It is looking for a citation that Marketplace is mainly Firefox OS.
This blog indicates that policy shift <ref> https://blog.mozilla.org/labs/2012/10/update-on-firefox-marketplace/ </ref> https://blog.mozilla.org/labs/2012/10/update-on-firefox-marketplace/

However note the marketplace itself has filters for Desktop products on some tabs and there is specifically a Desktop Firefox help article: <ref> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/marketplace-apps-firefox-desktop. </ref>.https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/marketplace-apps-firefox-desktop

IIRC there have been recent changes focussing on Desktop Marketplace, & I am fairly certain they are country specific and not global but I am unable to track down where I read that.
I should have a login for the wiki but can't find it at present [[Special:Contributions/2.122.207.52|2.122.207.52]] ([[User talk:2.122.207.52|talk]]) 09:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I guess that counts as Original Research and not a third party reference, but at least it highlights the situation and so the likelihood proper suitable references exist. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.122.207.52|2.122.207.52]] ([[User talk:2.122.207.52|talk]]) 09:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Divide History ==

Any objections to dividing the "History" section where it starts talking about the CEO controversy? Could make that a new section and call it "Controversy"

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== Paperstorm ==

Did anyone hear about [[Paperstorm]]? It's a project Mozilla just put out that fights copyright reform in the EU. One of the proposed measures that Mozilla is fighting against is mandatory content filtering that could affect Wikipedians not just in the EU, but globally. Over 22 million leaflets have been dropped so far, making this a huge petition, yet it got very little media coverage. This is why the Internet in the EU and globally must get loud on this issue. --[[User:Mrs. Jan Cola|Mrs. Jan Cola]] ([[User talk:Mrs. Jan Cola|talk]]), 03:25, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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== On Fx, I discovered a shortcut to Mozilla blog. ==

Type <pre>moz://a</pre> in the Fx address bar. This is a redirect to blog.mozilla.org. [[User:Alfa-ketosav|Alfa-ketosav]] ([[User talk:Alfa-ketosav|talk]]) 17:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


The text, under the section "WebThings", reads as follows: "It was spinner of as independent project during 2020 layoff of 250 employees". This is not English—so what is the intended meaning? That it was a spin-off from an independent project? Please correct if you know. [[User:Humboles|Humboles]] ([[User talk:Humboles|talk]]) 09:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:OK, but that information probably doesn't need to appear in the Wikipedia article though. —DIV ([[Special:Contributions/137.111.13.4|137.111.13.4]] ([[User talk:137.111.13.4|talk]]) 05:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC))


== Mozilla Rally ==
== Factually wrong description ==


Mozilla is actually a billion dollar lobbying foundation-corporation-corporation triple, that invests less and less into development and focuses on “Rally Citizens. Connect Leaders. Shape the Agenda.”.<br/>
I suggest adding some information on [https://rally.mozilla.org/how-rally-works/faqs/#who-is-eligible-to-participate Mozilla Rally].
See: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla<br/>
—DIV ([[Special:Contributions/137.111.13.4|137.111.13.4]] ([[User talk:137.111.13.4|talk]]) 05:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC))
Not that any of that is a secret. It’s right there on their homepages.<br/>
P.S.: Note that I am not necessarily for or against any of that. I am a scientist, and consider side-taking a mental disability. I just prefer this thing called ''reality''. :)
— [[Special:Contributions/109.42.176.242|109.42.176.242]] ([[User talk:109.42.176.242|talk]]) 22:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


(I’m also pretty certain that Google only keeps them around as a front to keep the antitrust investigators away from their otherwise obvious monopoly. But that is only a interesting hypothesis based on their behavioral patterns, so we’d need a leak to see.) [[Special:Contributions/109.42.176.242|109.42.176.242]] ([[User talk:109.42.176.242|talk]]) 22:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
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I have merged the histories of the article Mozilla and the article Mozilla Application Suite which was created as a clone without history from the entire contents of this article as it stood two weeks ago, the original contents being replaced by a clone of the contents at that time of the article Mozilla (disambiguation). I do not understand why the decision was taken to split the original article off and replace it by another which is somewhat parallel to the existing article Mozilla (disambiguation), but doing so was contrary to the GFDL.

This has been a stupid and unnecessary event, which may take some time to disentangle. The article could have been moved to Mozilla Appplication Suite and the disambig moved here (Mozilla) without losing the integrity of the article history and without compromising the GFDL. This is what we mean when we say don't do cut-and-paste copies. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:24, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the old Mozilla should have been moved to Mozilla Application Suite, and the old Mozilla (disambiguation) should have been moved to Mozilla. I don't know if it was a good idea to merge their histories, though... Mozilla is basicly a disambiguation page, while Mozilla Application Suite is specificly about the browser suite. --taestell 23:50, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Mozilla was originally about the latter, and the vastness of its history is of that article. The more recent edits will perhaps have to be moved to replace the current content of Mozilla (disambiguation) if that can be done without contravening the GFDL. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mozilla (disambiguation) needs to be redirected to Mozilla, which should remain how it looks now: short summaries of each deinition, with links to the longer articles. Mozilla Application Suite needs to be created to talk about the suite. --taestell 00:11, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

WebThings

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The text, under the section "WebThings", reads as follows: "It was spinner of as independent project during 2020 layoff of 250 employees". This is not English—so what is the intended meaning? That it was a spin-off from an independent project? Please correct if you know. Humboles (talk) 09:07, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Factually wrong description

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Mozilla is actually a billion dollar lobbying foundation-corporation-corporation triple, that invests less and less into development and focuses on “Rally Citizens. Connect Leaders. Shape the Agenda.”.
See: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla
Not that any of that is a secret. It’s right there on their homepages.
P.S.: Note that I am not necessarily for or against any of that. I am a scientist, and consider side-taking a mental disability. I just prefer this thing called reality. :) — 109.42.176.242 (talk) 22:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(I’m also pretty certain that Google only keeps them around as a front to keep the antitrust investigators away from their otherwise obvious monopoly. But that is only a interesting hypothesis based on their behavioral patterns, so we’d need a leak to see.) 109.42.176.242 (talk) 22:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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