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==No Physical Properties or Characteristics provided== |
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Like normal form, specific gravity, ability to withstand heat, melting and boiling points, breakdown temperatures, etc. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2409:4071:220D:7281:3CD0:68FF:FE7F:8333|2409:4071:220D:7281:3CD0:68FF:FE7F:8333]] ([[User talk:2409:4071:220D:7281:3CD0:68FF:FE7F:8333#top|talk]]) 12:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Why no figures for women? == |
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The “norm” for women is absent [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:9603:5401:CC95:34FB:27DF:1942|2A00:23C7:9603:5401:CC95:34FB:27DF:1942]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:9603:5401:CC95:34FB:27DF:1942|talk]]) 12:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Why is there no section on history? == |
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I feel like there could be more information on the history of how we discovered cholesterol and how we came to understand its role in the body. The small description of it feels notably incomplete compared to the length of the rest of the information. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:8280:2260:80FD:B405:167D:8498|2600:1700:8280:2260:80FD:B405:167D:8498]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:8280:2260:80FD:B405:167D:8498|talk]]) 06:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Do you have access to good resources on the subject? Sounds like a good idea! [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]] | [[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 08:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Dietary cholestrol's impact on blood cholesterol == |
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Over the years, studies have shown that dietary cholesterol has little to no impact on blood cholesterol levels. It turns out that high cholesterol foods are usually high saturated fat foods as well, and the latter is the main cause of blood cholesterol levels. Here are some papers that summarize what I've talked about, and provides a small bit of history as well. I'm not well-versed on wikipedia sourcing. |
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== What about this research? == |
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024687/ |
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LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature |
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/dietary-cholesterol-from-physiology-to-cardiovascular-risk/2AD4493E735677B9298CCC17FA790539 |
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Link: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391 [[User:Nemohuman|Nemohuman]] ([[User talk:Nemohuman|talk]]) 08:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Blatant pseudoscience. The authors of the paper work for the [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/THINCS THINCS] organization. The same authors published another review which has been discredited [https://www.cebm.ox.ac.uk/news/views/cebm-response-lack-of-an-association-or-an-inverse-association-between-low-density-lipoprotein-cholesterol-and-mortality-in-the-elderly-a-systematic-review-a-post-publication-peer-review], [https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/cholesterol-and-statins], [https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-systematic-review-reporting-lack-of-an-association-between-ldl-cholesterol-and-mortality-in-the-elderly/]. They basically argue that elderly people with lower LDL-c have an increased mortality risk. This isn't a controversial finding it is well known, it's because the elderly people studied have increased risk of chronic disease like cancer and this is known to lower cholesterol. It is a case of reverse causality. It is not evidence that high LDL-c is beneficial for health. There is strong evidence that LDL-c causes cardiovascular disease [https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/32/2459/3745109]. [[User:Psychologist Guy|Psychologist Guy]] ([[User talk:Psychologist Guy|talk]]) 16:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== This article is jargon. == |
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==Biosynthesis to be contracted== |
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I propose to remove most of the biosynthesis section, which begins with very early, almost generic steps. Instead the biosynthesis can begin with lanosterol.--[[User:Smokefoot|Smokefoot]] ([[User talk:Smokefoot|talk]]) 14:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC) |
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==the claim "Biosynthesis in all cells" to be deleted== |
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This article is ''ridiculously'' technical for the layman to read, and the Simple English article is literally two paragraphs long. |
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In multiple location the page claims that cholesterol is made in all cells, but there is no citation. Furthermore, it is well accepted that neurons do not make cholesterol. And almost all studies show that cholesterol is transported in the blood and then taken up into cells through receptor mediated endocytosis. The mere presence of the enzymes that metabolize cholesterol is not evidence that the cells make cholesterol. Advocates for ubiqitous cholesterol synthesis need to produce evidence that the cholesterol is actually produced in the various cell types rather than taken up. |
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Lastly, given the large amounts of cholesterol that are taken up by cells from the blood. Some rational as to why the cells would be making cholesterol when there enormous quantities made available every day in the blood needs to be addressed. The data suggests most cells in the body don't make appreciable amounts of cholesterol and the uptake of the cholesterol from the blood or astrocytes dictates the important biological function of cholesterol, not individual cellular synthesis. If there is a biological process known, in a non-hepatic cell, where individual cellular synthesis drives a biological function, please indicate. All the known biological functions of cholesterol, including cholesterol related diseases, is driven by uptake from the blood not synthesis within the affected cells. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PhD2005|PhD2005]] ([[User talk:PhD2005#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PhD2005|contribs]]) 03:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Do better. [[Special:Contributions/2600:100B:B108:3D3A:0:C:938D:A901|2600:100B:B108:3D3A:0:C:938D:A901]] ([[User talk:2600:100B:B108:3D3A:0:C:938D:A901|talk]]) 15:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
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[edit]Like normal form, specific gravity, ability to withstand heat, melting and boiling points, breakdown temperatures, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4071:220D:7281:3CD0:68FF:FE7F:8333 (talk) 12:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
What about this research?
[edit]LDL-C does not cause cardiovascular disease: a comprehensive review of the current literature
Link: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391 Nemohuman (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Blatant pseudoscience. The authors of the paper work for the THINCS organization. The same authors published another review which has been discredited [1], [2], [3]. They basically argue that elderly people with lower LDL-c have an increased mortality risk. This isn't a controversial finding it is well known, it's because the elderly people studied have increased risk of chronic disease like cancer and this is known to lower cholesterol. It is a case of reverse causality. It is not evidence that high LDL-c is beneficial for health. There is strong evidence that LDL-c causes cardiovascular disease [4]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Biosynthesis to be contracted
[edit]I propose to remove most of the biosynthesis section, which begins with very early, almost generic steps. Instead the biosynthesis can begin with lanosterol.--Smokefoot (talk) 14:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
the claim "Biosynthesis in all cells" to be deleted
[edit]In multiple location the page claims that cholesterol is made in all cells, but there is no citation. Furthermore, it is well accepted that neurons do not make cholesterol. And almost all studies show that cholesterol is transported in the blood and then taken up into cells through receptor mediated endocytosis. The mere presence of the enzymes that metabolize cholesterol is not evidence that the cells make cholesterol. Advocates for ubiqitous cholesterol synthesis need to produce evidence that the cholesterol is actually produced in the various cell types rather than taken up.
Lastly, given the large amounts of cholesterol that are taken up by cells from the blood. Some rational as to why the cells would be making cholesterol when there enormous quantities made available every day in the blood needs to be addressed. The data suggests most cells in the body don't make appreciable amounts of cholesterol and the uptake of the cholesterol from the blood or astrocytes dictates the important biological function of cholesterol, not individual cellular synthesis. If there is a biological process known, in a non-hepatic cell, where individual cellular synthesis drives a biological function, please indicate. All the known biological functions of cholesterol, including cholesterol related diseases, is driven by uptake from the blood not synthesis within the affected cells. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhD2005 (talk • contribs) 03:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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