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== Who actually won? == |
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The muslims won stragetically as since the Romans stopped and couldn't defeat the Romans, the Romans wanted to stop and they stopped the arab-byzanytines war temporarily, the battle of Mutah was a stragetic Muslim victory or a cease [[Special:Contributions/116.204.230.25|116.204.230.25]] ([[User talk:116.204.230.25|talk]]) 12:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC) |
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Change the the powers from 100k romans 100k arab Christians (both exaggerated) to 100k romans 100k arabs (Islamic sources) [[User:Jrdndnnftm|Jrdndnnftm]] ([[User talk:Jrdndnnftm|talk]]) 08:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC) |
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* Please provide reliable sources for any changes you wish to make. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 19:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:According to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], it was a Byzantine victory--[[User:Kansas Bear|Kansas Bear]] ([[User talk:Kansas Bear|talk]]) 12:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::NO [[Special:Contributions/116.204.230.25|116.204.230.25]] ([[User talk:116.204.230.25|talk]]) 05:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::ok but it was all a ceasefire as Khalid Ibn Al walid lured the Roman army into the deserts and the Romans couldn't fight in the deserts as well the Romans knew they would lose if they fought there so they ceasefire, it was a Muslim stragetic victory [[Special:Contributions/116.204.230.25|116.204.230.25]] ([[User talk:116.204.230.25|talk]]) 05:41, 13 September 2023 (UTC) |
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The second paragraph paints a vague description of the causes for the battle and there is no source for the following sentence: "According to Byzantine sources, the Muslims planned to launch their attack on a feast day". I think this should be clarified by combining it with the paragraph in "Background" to mention a slightly longer account of the emissary that was sent by the Muslims (Al-Harith bin Umair Al-Azdi) and to where (Busra) who was killed by Shurhabil who was the governor of Al-Balqa'a - and close ally to Ceasar. |
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:::Wrong. Reliable secondary sources, which is what are used to write Wikipedia, state it was a Byzantine victory. Your personal opinions and/or interpretations of this event are meaningless here.--[[User:Kansas Bear|Kansas Bear]] ([[User talk:Kansas Bear|talk]]) 15:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::::If Rashidun Caliphate lost then why is Khalid Bin Walid considered undefeated by Wikipedia? Wikipedia is created with help of reliable secondary sources like you said so in your comment that means reliable secondary sources claim Khalid Bin Waleed is undefeated so it does not make sense if Khalid Bin Walid lost then why he undefeated?Also the battle is devided many sources claim it as Rashidun victory many as Byzantine victory but as much as I know the Hadith,Chatgpt,and other sources claim it was Rashidun victory plus his comments makes sense unlike yours |
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::::He is right it isn't a opinion it is fact which you don't want to believe [[Special:Contributions/103.180.55.224|103.180.55.224]] ([[User talk:103.180.55.224|talk]]) 15:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Furthermore, Power's book "Muhammad Is Not the Father of Any of Your Men" is cited several times. The motive of the author is malicious, he paints a negative and unfounded claims to the losses suffered. [[User:Zakster31|Zakster31]] ([[User talk:Zakster31|talk]]) 12:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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This legendary battle has been mentioned in the Qur'an, in which the Qur'an says that the Muslims won this battle, pls let me edit it, Muslims were actually victorious in this battle. I have provided you the proof now please let me edit this article. [[User:I'm the best ever|I'm the best ever]] ([[User talk:I'm the best ever|talk]]) 12:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Change the the powers from 100k romans 100k arab Christians (both exaggerated) to 100k romans 100k arabs (Islamic sources) Jrdndnnftm (talk) 08:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please provide reliable sources for any changes you wish to make. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]The second paragraph paints a vague description of the causes for the battle and there is no source for the following sentence: "According to Byzantine sources, the Muslims planned to launch their attack on a feast day". I think this should be clarified by combining it with the paragraph in "Background" to mention a slightly longer account of the emissary that was sent by the Muslims (Al-Harith bin Umair Al-Azdi) and to where (Busra) who was killed by Shurhabil who was the governor of Al-Balqa'a - and close ally to Ceasar.
Furthermore, Power's book "Muhammad Is Not the Father of Any of Your Men" is cited several times. The motive of the author is malicious, he paints a negative and unfounded claims to the losses suffered. Zakster31 (talk) 12:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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