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I don't believe she meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:BIO more broadly. 1 hit in google news and nothing in google books which is surprising for a writer. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Women, Ireland, and Australia. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alison ^talk 04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Google Books actually does have quite a few hits, BTW - Alison ^talk 05:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Which of the google books hits would be WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not seeing sufficient independent RS to show that the notability criteria have been met. JMWt (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [1], and some analysis here [2] and here [3]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This also seems to be a RS [4], hosted on a WordPress site, but it's an online magazine with an editorial board and such. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oaktree b I ran into that one as well but it turns out that she is part of the "Editorial collective" so it may not be considered independent. Then again, I can't imagine that there are many Gaelic speakers in Australia who aren't part of that collective. This is a tough one due to the minority language. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. Colin Ryan (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep The RTE and Irish Times are reliable sources. With a bit more sleuthing, we could find a third good source for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. At one point I attempted to create a page for an author whose book An Edge of the Forest won a few significant awards in the 1960s. The page was rejected on the basis that although there was notable coverage of the book, any coverage of the author was incidental and thus failed WP:AUTHOR. In this case, applying the same rationale, I can not see that the author meets WP:AUTHOR. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 03:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I still am seeing No consensus here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per User:Colin Ryan with hopes that they can locate some independent sources, perhaps through the Irish press. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''weak keep''': Her works have been included in anthologies [https://www.poetryireland.ie/content/pir/Contents_PIR_137.pdf], and some analysis here [https://shop.thebookcentre.ie/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=9772737726003WL236] and here [https://smashingtimes.ie/smashing-times-bilingual-march-newsletter-mna-agus-an-ghaeilge-women-and-the-irish-language/]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language.  [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|talk]]) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC) <!--VCB Oaktree b-->
 * '''Comment''': This also seems to be a RS [https://tintean.org.au/2024/02/10/a-book-review-cnamha-scoilte-split-bones-julie-breathnach-banwait/], hosted on a WordPress site, but it's an online magazine with an editorial board and such.  [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|talk]]) 15:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
+:* [[User:Oaktree b]] I ran into that one as well but it turns out that she is part of the [https://tintean.org.au/2024/10/10/agallaimh-le-scribhneoiri-gaeilge-interviews-with-irish-language-writers/ "Editorial collective"] so it may not be considered independent. Then again, I can't imagine that there are many Gaelic speakers in Australia who aren't part of that collective. This is a tough one due to the minority language. [[User:Lamona|Lamona]] ([[User talk:Lamona|talk]]) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
 * '''Comment''': I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. [[User:Colin Ryan|Colin Ryan]] ([[User talk:Colin Ryan|talk]]) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
 *'''Weak keep''' The RTE and Irish Times are [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. With a bit more sleuthing, we could find a [[WP:SIGCOV|third good source for significant coverage]]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 05:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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 * '''Delete'''. At one point I attempted to create a page for an author whose book [[An Edge of the Forest]] won a few significant awards in the 1960s. The page was rejected on the basis that although there was notable coverage of the book, any coverage of the author was incidental and thus failed [[WP:AUTHOR]]. In this case, applying the same rationale, I can not see that the author meets [[WP:AUTHOR]]. [[User:Spinifex&#38;Sand|Spinifex&#38;Sand]] ([[User talk:Spinifex&#38;Sand|talk]]) 03:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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+*'''Draftify''' per [[User:Colin Ryan]] with hopes that they can locate some independent sources, perhaps through the Irish press. [[User:Lamona|Lamona]] ([[User talk:Lamona|talk]]) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)