User talk:Taharqa

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Hey!

It's nice to see a new username looking at the articles on Race and intelligence (they need a lot of work!) If you have the change could you look at this new article I created today: Race and health? futurebird 04:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

^Cool, I'll check it out..Taharqa 05:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

PS you should think about joining WP:AFRO futurebird 05:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

^Oooh! That's a great idea! I'll see what I can do, I'll definitely try and see if I can..

Race and intelligence (explanations)‎

I really need some help with this article. I've added a ton of evidence against the genetic explanation, but now WRN is trying to frame the whole thing in terms of "well you never know it might be genetics!" --It's the idea that no matter what you do, I mean, even if there was no test score gap, until you have proven there is NO genetic link you ought to assume that there is one. He's invoking Occam's razor and I think that's ABSURD. Occam's razor says choose the obvious cause: RACISM. duh duh duh. I've just about had it with this article. How many years will it be before people simply realise that (a) Jensen is a nut (b) we ought to have been spending all this time and research money trying to help people live better lives rather than trying to prove that people are inferior because of some 19th century vendetta in some circles of the academic community against africa.

I'm just really angry and sick of going in circles. I need some help. I don't want to just give up and watch as all of my hard work is slowly obliterated. futurebird 05:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Taharqa I'm not trying to cause any trouble editing the pages, with that info I found so I was hoping you could do it for me since you're more active on this page Louisvillian 23:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

^I don't know, I'm sure sure how to present it. I'll see if I can.Taharqa 23:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Great work so far from what I've seen. I don't understand why you deleted the section on the Indo-European expansion in the 2nd millenium BC. It was POV, but needs to be rewritten, not deleted. Anyway, keep up the good work. BTW, do you happen to post at Egyptsearch.com? — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 22:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

^Sup.. The indo-european crap was flat out Aryanistic propoganda with out source, that's why I deleted it. And yea, I pass through Egyptsearch from time to time, very informative site. - Taharqa

Invitation

Belovedfreak 09:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanx for the invite!Taharqa 09:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

About the Sphinx

Taharqa, can you find informations in English about the commentaries of D. Vivant Denon on the Sphinx of Guizeh to be added to the article "Egypt and race"? He was an artist. He took part in the expedition of Bonaparte to Egypt and, once there, made a design of the Sphinx. Here are some informations in French http://www.africamaat.com/article.php3?id_article=155. Hotep! Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka--195.110.156.38 22:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The Black origin of the Greecs

Taharqa, find the full article about the Black African origin of the Greecs here http://www.africamaat.com/article.php3?id_article=914&artsuite=1 or here http://www.africamaat.com/article.php3?id_article=157&artsuite=1. Thank you for the links you suggested to me earlier. Hotep! Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka--195.110.156.38 21:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

The links

Thank you Taharqa for the links on the work of Basil Davidson. I find this man quite objective about Africa. Because of his commitment to truth, Eurocentric scholarship qualifies him as a leftist. Yes, truth is bitter! Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka--195.110.156.38 18:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the sources. I swear some of the crap these ignorant racist post is just sickening to read, again thanks for shutting them up! 74.128.200.135 02:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem...

Okay I'm sick of this crap they are posting on Stormfront [1] Taharqa this debate needs to enter in it. These racist pricks have the habit relentless debating BS without a source to back it, yet more and more just keep eating it up. Please join in this debate as you are much more qualified than myself to argue with them. I will help you in way I can in this debate, just please enter it as soon as possible. I've already presented the info you gave, it's just now they are attempting to twist it with their own logic Louisvillian 02:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again Taharqa for the additional info! I can kind of understand where your coming from, But me just being me I don't like to let ignorant shit like that spread even if it's within their own forum, But again Thanks. Louisvillian 17:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Egypt and race

I have blocked you from editing for 36 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for edit warring at Ancient Egypt and race. [2] [3] [4] [5] You have broken the three revert rule, but even if you had not, the rule is not a license to make three reverts every day. Your recent edits to the article have been nothing but revert after revert after revert, and this is extremely disruptive to the other editors who are involved with the article, as well as to readers. In the future, please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. I strongly suggest a request for comment. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. ··coelacan 22:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

A Request for Mediation to which you are a party has been accepted. You can find more information on the mediation subpage, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Ancient Egypt and race. For the Mediation Committee, ^demon[omg plz] This message delivered by MediationBot, an automated bot account operated by the Mediation Committee to open new mediation cases. If you have questions about this bot, please contact the Mediation Committee directly.

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Welcome back

Taharqa, things stoped since you have been stoped. Myself I wanted to be honest with you and Urthogie. I did not want to profit from your absence to make edits. So welcome back! Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka--195.110.156.38 13:20, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Archiving

I archived the material you wanted removed for you. To archive, in case you ever want to create a second archive (I have two myself; the first got full]] just create somthing that says [[/archive 2|archive 2]] on the top of your page, then click the red link, and put the old material in there. Thanatosimii 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Ancient Egypt and Race

It's already on my watchlist, but I'm a little busy right now, so I can't really help out for about a week. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 02:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

^Ok - Taharqa

• Wikipedia:Third opinion might help.--Urthogie 02:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Ancient Egypt and race

Hello Urthogie,

I am writing to you because, as a party to this case, your input is required before mediation can begin, to do with an offer by an experienced non-Committee member to mediate. Please see the Parties' agreement to Eagle 101's offer section and provide your input, so that this case can progress. Voting will remain open for seven days, and further elaboration is provided at that link.

For the Mediation Committee, Daniel 06:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Before I revert Dynastic Race again...

I want to know if you have actually read Redford's book. Thanatosimii 20:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm asking you, because you keep asserting what redford does and does not say, and since you just recently asked, "Who's redford?" I have to wonder if you have read it in the interceeding hours since you discovered he existed, such that you have authority to state what he says and does not say. Thanatosimii 22:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes, by the way, I provided the wording for Dynastic Race. I am the author of that article in virtually its totality. If you read the book and wish to contest my summary, we can discuss it, but don't take a vendetta against Urthogie to other pages. Thanatosimii 20:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Warning

With regards to your comments on Talk:Ancient Egypt and race#remove out of context quote: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. NeoFreak 17:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, as you've noted you don't agree with the appropriateness of my warning. That's fine, as long as you do not remove the warning you don't have to like it. I've received warnings that I didn't agree with either, I just take it on the chin and move on. I understand that Urthogie has insulted you in the past, there is a long history of unacceptable behavior on both your parts. I'm not going to go back and archive it all and count out warnings, that't not the point. From this moment on, until you two resolve this issue or an Admin or the ArbComm decides otherwise I'm going to continue to give out warnings to every editor that violates clear policy. If either of you contine with the sort of behaivor that is causing the problems I will have that person blocked. So please, calm down and try to be cool. NeoFreak 17:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I made the warning in specific reference to your insinuation that Urthogie's actions were "incompetent". I understand the point you could make that it was "the edit" and not "the editor" that was incompetent but such semantics largely loose their weight in the context of your tone. I'm not trying to flex any muscles here, the distribution of warning templates is within every editors "power" and I would argue it is also their responsibility. I'm not following up on all of this because I want to send the impression that I'm a "powerful guy" as you've suggested, I'm doing so because I've seen what this conflict with Urthogie is doing to an already fragile article. Don't ever be afraid to hit me up on my talk page, as a matter of fact don't be afraid to seek a third opinion or even request administrator assitance. Also, please sign your comments on my page with four tildes. Thanks.NeoFreak 18:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

My short answer is no. To declare someone or their actions "incompetent" is clear ad hominum and you failed to address the issue at hand, instead going after the editor wit scorn. Again, please sign your posts on my talk page. NeoFreak 18:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. NeoFreak 19:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Factual accuracy and citations

I am sorry, but I am not wrong. I do not know how to deal with you if you simply reject outrightly the most basic statements of Egyptolgical fact without any basis. I have examined the Berlin Dictionary and Faulkner's dictionary and found no such definition or root off of which your definition of pwn.t can be derived.

If you want to contest that the statements I make are baseless, find a reputable citation for your own statements first.

(Oh, "personal attack" covers a lot of bad behavior on wikipedia, and both your friend and you have perpetrated numerous said attacks. Read WP:CIVL and Wikipedia:No personal attacks) Thanatosimii 20:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 5 days in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule on Ancient Egypt and race. In the future, please solve editing disputes through discussion rather than edit warring. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

This is reasonable, and I'll accept that.. I do admit that I was a little unaware of exactly what a revert was, I thought that people meant "reverting" as in blanking and restoring, my ignorance is no excuse though since this type of thing is disruptive regardless.. Thank you for answering our concerns! - Taharqa

If you want a better approach to editing for when the block ends, I advise you to read about edit warring and dispute resolution. Continuing to edit war will get you nowhere; if you seek dispute resolution, you may see better results. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Sphinx

Taharqa, look at this information about the testimony of D. Vivant Denon on the Sphinx. Can you put it in good english and bring it to the article. Let go off the letter to the editor. Somebody removed it again. Thank you for the link you provided me. I am going to look into it. "Le Témoignage de D. Vivant Denon à propos du Sphinx de Guizeh.

UN CÉLÈBRE DESSINATEUR FRANÇAIS, MEMBRE DE L’EXPÉDITION D’EGYPTE DE BONAPARTE, NOUS LÈGUE SES IMPRESSIONS SUR LE SPHINX DE GUIZEH.

L’Egyptologie doit au français Dominique Vivant Denon, un formidable dessin du Sphinx de Guizeh intitulé : "Le Sphinx près des Pyramides".

D. VIVANT DENON (1747 - 1825) Toile de Pierre-Paul Prud’hon

1 -Un artiste français renommé pour son talent :

Dessinateur, graveur et artiste de talent, Dominique Vivant DENON était aussi très apprécié en France pour son érudition. C’est donc en raison de toutes ces qualités artistiques, que Napoléon Bonaparte fit appel à lui dans le cadre de son expédition en Égypte (1798-1799).

Sa mission fut de recueillir par le biais de nombreux croquis et dessins, tout le patrimoine (faune, flore, objets, stèles, statuts, monuments, barques, etc...) de l’Egypte ancienne afin de mieux faire connaître cette civilisation dans l’hexagone. La photographie n’existant pas à l’époque, c’est dire le caractère précieux des dessins de V. Denon.

Pour ses bons et loyaux services, il devint officiellement membre de "l’Institut d’Égypte" créé par BONAPARTE et fut même nommé directeur du Musée du Louvre dont l’une des entrées porte encore aujourd’hui son nom.

2- Un témoignage précieux pour l’histoire africaine :

Naturellement, Denon ne pouvait manquer l’occasion de dessiner le célèbre Sphinx de Guizeh, dans le cadre de l’expédition de Bonaparte. Son dessin du visage du Sphinx, il l’a lui-meme commenté. Voici textuellement ses propos :

"Je n’eus que le temps d’observer le Sphinx qui mérite d’être dessiné avec le soin le plus scrupuleux, et qui ne l’a jamais été de cette manière. Quoique ses proportions soient colossales, les contours qui en sont conservés sont aussi souples que purs : l’expression de la tête est douce, grâcieuse et tranquille ; le caractère en est africain : mais la bouche, dont les lèvres sont épaisses, a une mollesse dans le mouvement et une finesse d’exécution vraiment admirables ; c’est de la chair et de la vie."

DESSIN DU SPHINX REALISE PAR D. VIVANT DENON Plus loin commentant l’art égyptien, il écrit :

"Quant au caractère de leur figure humaine, n’empruntant rien des autres nations, ils ont copié leur propre nature, qui était plus gracieuse que belle. ... en tout, le caractère africain, dont le Nègre est la charge, et peut-être le principe". [1]

Références bibliographiques:

[1] Vivant DENON, Voyage dans la Basse et le Haute Égypte pendant les campagnes du Général BONAPARTE, Paris, 1ere édition Didot l’Aîné, 1802 ; réédition, Pygmalion/Gérard Watelet, 1990, p. 109." Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka--195.110.156.38 16:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

dangerous edit

hi, bruh. thnx for keepin an eye on the Mali Empire page. I think I'm gonna request protection on it. what was the dangerous edit rv, by the way? Scott Free 14:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

egypt and race talk page

I think we've come to a stand still on that talk page. How about we agree to devote sorting out our disagreements to the mediation page, which is a lot more organized/distracting, until the page is renamed? Thanks, --Urthogie 01:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggested compromise

Hey, you're blocked and I don't see any reason to halt mediation for 5 days because of this. Tell me what you think of my most recent suggestion on mediation:

""Sociological topics of ancient Egypt" refers to every social phenomenon that occurred in ancient Egypt. "Biogeography of ancient Egypt" or "Biogeographical relationships of ancient Egypt" don't seem to be sensical titles, either-- are we to discuss the biogeography of the lizards and the ants and the bacteria? Perhaps Taharqa means to suggest we call the article Human biogeography of ancient Egypt. This would be a nice big article, yes, but it would still not have any discussion of the appearance of the ancient Egyptians. So, Taharqa, in an effort to make a compromise, here is my new suggested split:

• Human biogeography of ancient Egypt (Taharqa's suggestion, basically... we would have the current title we have now redirect to it)

This would include all of section 3 (Research) with the exception of section 3.4 (Appearence) and all of section 6 (discarded hypotheses)

• Appearance of the ancient Egyptians

This would include all of section 2 (ancient writers), section 3.4 (appearence), section 4 (mummy reconstructions), and section 5 (art and architecture)

• Afrocentrism and ancient Egypt

This would include the content we currently have in section 1 (defining race) and section 7 (Afrocentrism)

• Myths about ancient Egypt

This would include not only section 8 (myths) but also tons of myths about ancient Egypt that don't relate to race. It would follow HIV and AIDS misconceptions in style.

This is a nice concise list, and we could merge the remaining stuff to existing articles. What do you think of this, Taharqa?--Urthogie 22:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)"

Please do not drastically change anything until I'm able to edit, your edits tend to misrepresent the data and undermine it to fit your POV imo. As I've stated before, you're obscuring the main objective of the article imo with all of these extra titles that are either trivial, or express the same thing. The peopling and biogegraphic relationships of ancient Egypt, or something similar to that will due imo.. - Taharqa

Bagnall in Walker

Hey, a few days ago, you added some info that was very close to the Britannica article's summary on the portraits and attributed to Bagnall in Walker (2000). See here. There was no page number associated, however. Did you mean to attribute this to Britannica or part of the sentence to Bagnall, and other parts to Britannica? Please clear this up so that I can re-insert the citation where it belongs (I've removed it for now, since it didn't have a page number). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 19:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually the entire book elaborates on this and clearly identifies these portraits as Roman Egyptian Fayyum representatives. I simply used the source to support the assertion made by Britannica. - Taharqa

Okay, well, be sure to bring it up and elaborate on the talk page when your block expires tomorrow. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 21:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hullo Taharqa

I hope you will be back soon. Truth, nobody can block it anyway! People know well on which side do you stand. Hotep! Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka--195.110.156.38 22:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

^Fasho. Thanx Luka.. - Taharqa

Taharqa

I saw your message. My goodness I was so upset, I wasn't finished so reverted as I was trying to find you the proof that I did not write those rotten words. Thank you for your messsage and apology. :) Sheesh, I got so flustered I'm shaking. Please fix your signature because I couldn't click on a link to get here quickly enough. - Jeeny ^Talk 15:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! :) My stomach has been in knots the last couple of days and I've been unable to eat (unrelated to any of this). But, I think your last message to me made me well again. Now I'm having hunger pangs! LOL. :) Ummm, now what should I eat? - Jeeny ^Talk 16:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

^Haha, I'm glad to here that.. I don't know what time it is where you are but I recommend a round table, pepperoni Pizza.. LOL.. - Taharqa

WP:NPA

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for making personal attacks. Please stop. You're welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. ··coelacan 17:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)