Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Merseyside

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Time to make a start!

OK, we'd better think about articles to include within the scope of the project, and their priority level. Off the top of my (outsider's) head, I suppose these would be a high or top priority:

• Boroughs/Districts: Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley, City of Liverpool, Metropolitan Borough of St Helens, Metropolitan Borough of Sefton, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral
• Places: Liverpool, Birkenhead, St Helens, Crosby, Formby, Wallasey
• Geographical: River Mersey, Wirral Peninsula
• Transport: Liverpool John Lennon Airport, Merseyside Passenger Transport Executive, Merseyrail.
• Sport: Liverpool F.C., Everton F.C., Tranmere Rovers F.C.

Just some initial suggestions to get us going. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Stuff like parly constituencies, listed buildings, main churches and smaller settlements would probably be the next level down, I imagine ("High"-priority?). What about "iconic" buildings—the Royal Liver Building, the two cathedrals and so on—High or Top? Important historical features such as the Overhead Railway should probably be High. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Those suggestions seem good, although St Helens RLFC is missing ;-) I'll start tagging these as top priority. I'm not sure about the "iconic" buildings, I think they should be high but I could be easily persuaded they're top-importance. I'll hold off on tagging them until we get some other opinions. Nev1 (talk) 21:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Other articles to consider

• Media: City Talk 105.9, Radio City 96.7, Liverpool Echo, Wirral Globe, Liverpool Daily Post
• Buildings: Liver Buildings, Liverpool Echo Arena, Liverpool One
• Art: The Super Lamb Banana

I'm unsure of how many we should be tagging at an early stage, but these seem to strike me as things important to the local community. [[::User:Byeitical|Byeitical]] ([[::User talk:Byeitical|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Byeitical|contribs]]) 11:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Agree with these. Other lower-importance articles (probably "High"):

• Transport: all open and closed stations listed at List of railway stations in Merseyside (and that list itself), and the individual routes (Borderlands Line, Wirral Line, Northern Line (Merseyrail), City Line (Merseyrail)). Manchester to Southport Line only has a small section within Merseyside, but is worth including for its wider context. A case could be made for British Rail Class 507 and British Rail Class 508, which are used exclusively by Merseyrail. M53 motorway, M57 motorway, M58 motorway and M62 motorway.
• Education: University of Liverpool, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool Hope University.
• Sport: Anfield, Goodison Park, Prenton Park, Stanley Park Stadium, Grand National, Aintree Racecourse, Haydock Park Racecourse, Royal Liverpool Golf Club, Hoylake, Royal Birkdale Golf Club. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:56, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Some more:

• Media: Radio Merseyside
• Buildings: Cunard Building, Port of Liverpool Building, St. John's Beacon, St. George's Hall
• Transport: The River itself and the two tunnels underneath it, Merseytram, the Port of Liverpool, Albert Dock
• Other: The two cathedrals, Merseybeat

Paypwip (talk) 12:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Tagging articles

We have a template for adding article to the project: {{WikiProject Merseyside}} or {{WPMERSEY}} (they produce the same thing). Just add either of these templates to an article's talk page. For example: {{WikiProject Merseyside|class=B|importance=high}} The parameters of class and importance don't have to be filled in, but it would help the project get an idea of the quality of the articles we're working on. The "class" of articles should be measured against Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment and can be list, stub, start, C, B, GA, A, or FA. The "importance" is either low, mid, high, or top. Nev1 (talk) 12:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

List of railway stations in Merseyside

I'm going to make a start at bringing this list up to the standard of the West Midlands and Greater Manchester equivalents. I'll work on it in one of my user subpages here (ignore the misleading title!). Feel free to drop by and help. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 14:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Small jobs

Hey, I joined this project to help with the small, gnome-like tasks (categories, templates, etc). What needs doing? —PolishName 19:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

At the moment tagging any articles would be helpful. A good place to start would by . Nev1 (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Tagging articles

When tagging articles for this WikiProject, should we also be removing banners for the parent projects such as WikiProject UK geography and WikiProject England? I have done in the few articles I've tagged, as such repetition seems silly, but I would like to know if this is correct before I go any further. Small-town hero (talk) 13:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

We should be keeping any other projects tags, and placing ours alongside them. The "mother" projects still need to generate national statistics for progress, and the extra support doesn't do any harm either. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  13:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Going forwards

From my experience with other projects, to make this project a success, and not dormant, I believe we need to make the following things happen:

1. Set up the project page and develop all the tools, pages and templates that we will need to get things rolling.
2. Make our own "brand", by which I mean identify a logo (or two) that will be the project logo, for use on our templates and user boxes. This may involve choosing some kind of coroporate colours.
3. Ask WP:BOTR to tag all our articles for us. This would mean somebody may need to check that everything in the Category:Merseyside is as it should be prior to the request.
4. Spend some time at Commonscat:Merseyside, bringing it upto scratch to help us with our articles.
5. Ensure all our members have the project page watchlisted, and try to seek our any potential members that might not yet know about the project.
6. Identify what the project wants to (realistically?) achieve in the short, mid and long term.
7. Identify a space where we can pool together and share the resources which we can refer to that can aid our articles.

In addition to the above, there are a couple of things we need to agree on fairly early:

1. Do we use "in Merseyside" or "on Merseyside"? Should we be open to either or perhaps we need a criteria when each may be used?
2. Do we agree to work in partnership with WP:GM and WP:CHES on some issues, like a newsletter and noticeboard (they are both also in North West England)?
3. Does anybody have any reservations, concerns, aims, comments, ideas or anything else they think will be important to the project?

--Jza84 |  Talk  17:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

With regard to a "logo" for the WikiProject, I feel that Image:EnglandMerseyside.png (currently used in the project banner and user box) is somewhat inadequate. I would like to suggest using either Image:MerseysideNumbered.png (as used at the top of this page, though the numbers are meaningless without context), or perhaps the Merseyside CoA. Small-town hero (talk) 22:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, User:pbroks13 has kindly offered to redraw the coa's for us, so that might be an option. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  22:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Is a coat of arms going to look rather crowded as a logo? How about just a liver bird? Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn't the Liver Bird specific to Liverpool, and not Merseyside as a whole? Small-town hero (talk) 11:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

What about something like Image:UK Legislatures.png, where we use the town halls of the 5 metropolitan districts? --Jza84 |  Talk  19:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

In a project banner, that would look even more crowded. I like the idea of the coat of arms, it's distincitve, covers the whole of Merseyside, I'd like to see what pbroks13 produces. Nev1 (talk) 19:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Think how such an image would look when reduced to 60px! :) It needs to be something that will be easily recognisable even at small sizes. Small-town hero (talk) 22:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okies... prob best to hang back for pbroks13.... :)

Any problems, issues or other observations about the other issues? --Jza84 |  Talk  22:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The sooner we get a bot to tag all our articles, the better. Has a request been made yet? I don't know how familiar members are with articles covered by the project, but it's likely at some point that someone will insist that places in Merseyside are in Lancashire. This has already happened at St Helens, Merseyside. If anyone sees an article saying somewhere in Merseyside is in Lancashire, it should be changed immediately. Nev1 (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This is adequately covered in our naming convention WP:PLACE, as well as multiple guidelines, such as WP:UKCITIES. Historic and former can be mentioned, but in context.

I will take a look at the bot request and try to make it happen for us. Is there anything I need to be aware of? Is the assessment system set up and functioning for example? --Jza84 |  Talk  21:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

(<-) I've made a request for a bot to tag our articles ([1]). Please ammend the request if there are any issues. --Jza84 |  Talk  21:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Merseyside CoA

Free-to-use Merseyside coat of arms

Hi guys,

The new, redrawn version of the Merseyside County Council coat of arms is to the right here. How would it be as a logo? --Jza84 |  Talk  22:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool coat of arms

I've just noticed Liverpool doesn't have an image of the City Council's coat of arms. Can anybody help find a good copy? No need to upload it - I might be able to redraw it so we can avoid fair-use issues. Jza84 |  Talk  16:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Merseyside article tagging?

Jza84 |  Talk  had made a Bot request for tagging articles in Category:Merseyside for this project .. But since running recursively to all sub categories is very dangaerous, I have made a list of entire sub cats at Wikipedia:WikiProject Merseyside/Cats. I request the project members to have a serious look on each cats and remove all possibly wrong categories. Once it is throughly checked and all the false positive categories are hopefully removed, , the bot will work on it soon. Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 05:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's ready. With the help of Mr Vardy, I've removed any offending categories from the list. --Jza84 |  Talk  12:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)