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Pending tasks for [[Template:Articlespace:David Beckham]]:

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Opening comments

He is a "meterosexual"????

The front page of USA Today on Friday May 9th stated that Beckham is the most famous athlete in the world, except in the USA. I had seen the movie Bend It Like Beckham a few weeks ago, so I had heard of him, but I had not realized that he was not a fictional character until I saw that story three days ago. So USA Today was probably right. Michael Hardy 22:34 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Should "World Club Championship" be "World Cup Championship"?

No, he was sent off in the World Club Championship. January 7, 2000 in the game against Necaxa for a thigh-high challenge against Jose Milan in the 42nd minute, if you care.

"They have two sons, Brooklyn ... and Romeo". Isn't "Romeo" an unusual name for a boy?
S. 

  Everything about Beckham is unusual.. webkid 14:25 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Is it FC Barcelona, or Real Madrid??

Antonio High Life Martin Real Madrid! not Barca. Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 19:43 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)


BBC news confirm he *will* sign for Real Madrid. He is in Japan at the moment (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2999514.stm) so hasn't yet done so. Muppet 09:57 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)

POV ALERT

Mr Beckham, is without a doubt the most overated human being/footballer on the planet. -fonzy

END OF POV ALERT

Good thing you warned me. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise ;-) Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick

Well, I don't think his football ability is rated highly anyway. -- whkoh 09:44 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

IMHO, Beckham is a good player but there are many more better footballers than him! webkid 14:25 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

TEXT FROM DELETED PAGE IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO MERGE IT:

Romeo Beckham (born September 1, 2002) is the second son of footballer David Beckham and former Spice Girl Victoria Beckham.

The pregnancy was covered intensely by the British press. Bold text

Penalty Misses

Somebody's added the penalty miss v Portugal t'other day. Am I right in saying that was his 3rd international penalty miss in a row?

Also, for the future benefit of talk page readers wishing to know the underground history of our heroes. I saw the England v Croatia Euro 2004 game, and people might be interested to know that every time Victoria Beckham appeared on the screen the whole of the very large, very packed South East London pub crowd booed their heads off. --bodnotbod 20:34, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)

Possible wikispam?

I am uncertain how everyone will feel about this, but the news article link that was just added to entertainment dash news dot org was added by somebody going through and linking to his (minimally useful) site on several celebrity articles. In most cases he provided a link to an alleged general news site for the celebrity in question, sites which basically give the equivalent of a Google news search with a bunch of additional articles that also claim to be related but are not. I'm removing these links, but since the link on this page actually goes to a real article, I'm going to leave it. Jdavidb 20:36, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

His affair with Rebecca Loos

I don't see it mentioned a single bit in the article. There was a big ruckus back then. Anyone care to contribute?

Was there ever any evidence, apart from Loos' claim, that there was any truth in it? -- Arwel 21:35, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Why did someone edit this page to a page on obesity? --82.42.151.164 11:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

The page was vandalized... does anyone know how to link to the original picture?

How come the page has no photo?

Negative comments

This article is wholly positive and comment must be made of

His extramarital affairs (not necessarily bad in themselves) - but coupled with a media-promoted image of family wholesomness.

His rank unprofessionalism - his frequent arrogent dissent against officals, his undue influence on the England team tactical plans, the kick in '98, the "clever" foul in '03, his consistent refusal to play on the right of midfield. Generally, the negative effect of his ego on the performance of the England team as a whole.

The merit of his OBE - he has never lifted a trophy as England captain.

As far as I know, it has never been proven that he has had any extramarital affairs. I would not believe anything published in the likes of the News of the World unless it had a certificate of authenticity signed by the Pope and the Dalai Lama, especially since his accusers seem to be making the allegations for what they can get from the papers. As to the WC '98 foul and the sending off against Wales in '03, have you tried reading the article? Both incidents are fully described in it. -- Arwel 10:11, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no fan of the NOTW. However, the standard of "proof" you require is unclear. I propose a simple test to any tabloid allegation, namely this: did the impugned celebrity sue for libel? Beckham has not sued the NOTW or any other paper for libel even though they have openly alleged his extramartial affairs. And the camera does not lie - he has been photographed kissing an unnamed female (or "saying hello to a fan" as he explained it) - it looked pretty unequivocal. I suspect an unreconstructed Beckham-worshipper wrote this article and it is an abomination.

Please, cleanup

This article doesn't have a single pic, no mention of his extramarital affairs, his negative aspects as mentioned above. It seems to be totally focussing on his positive side and is somewhat POV. PLEASE HELP!!!!!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 05:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

such an incredibly inaccurate article ... sadly i dont have sufficient knowledge of Beckham to edit this page. Someone (preferably someone who doesnt hate Beckham) needs to edit it.

What do you mean saying that Beckham is a good father and a supporter of good causes "despite is gauche lifestyle"? Left-wing persons are good, right-wing are ususally closed, bad persons, oppressive parents and enemies of poor people! Your ideas seem a little confused!

POV notes

No use pretending that there can be NPOV on Beckham, more accurate to report the differing POV.

1. Teenage girls, team-mates and sycophantic journalists (Henry Winter) unconditionally love Beckham. They overlook his bad points and elevate him to the status of a God among men.

2. ManYoo / Real / (some) England fans, some commentators - think he is basically an OK bloke, a bit thick, but a world class player

3. Old-fashioned football purists - dislike his substitution of celebrity for talent. Regard him as an excellent crosser of the ball, and probably a nice personable chap, but NOT genuinely world class due to his many faults: temperament, inability to tackle, poor one-touch short passing, weak leadership, rank indiscipline - just to name his faults in football.

4. Those who hate him without condition - jealously or something else.

Major edit

I'd like to get this article up to featured status, but there's a lot of work to do. I'd like to merge the England stuff in with his club career and create new sections, but thought I'd mention it here first and see if anyone had any objections. If I've not heard anything in a few days I'll go ahead. CTOAGN 12:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looking at it again, I'd like to merge all the sections, including the celebrity stuff, chronologically. The reason is that they often need to refer to each other. For example, you can't write about his deteriorating relationship with Ferguson in detail without mentioning his marriage (and allegedly missing a match to babysit while his wife went shopping) or write about the stick he got at United matches in '99 without mentioning his sending off against Argentina. CTOAGN 01:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Haha, I was just thinking that myself when doing some cleanup just now, I should have checked here first. Go for it. Qwghlm 18:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done. It's shown up a few gaps in the article - there are seasons where he won the league and no football is mentioned. This article's going to be huge by the time it's ready for FAC (if it ever gets there.) CTOAGN 01:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's too long, and contains too much gossip column materials and speculations. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Mandel 09:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think this page seriously needs to go back to the old format of having headings like "Personal Life" etc, instead of chronological headings. Every other article uses the former setup although everyone's life has events from different sections that refer to each other, Beckham is no different. The other format is standardized through Wikipedia and much easier to find specific information ("I want to read about his marriage to Victoria. Now when did that happend again? 2000? 2001? Dammit.") Canthony 15:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to go back to separate sections - in Beckham's case they're all too closely linked. I'll put a few more sub-headings in though - should make it easy to find what you're looking for. The wedding needs expanding into at least a paragraph anyway. CTOAGN 13:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I totally disagree. I agree with Canthony. As of now, a season-by-season structure is too football-centric for people who knows nuts about football (the very people this encyclopedia is supposed to benefit). I took one good look at the article and decided not to go through it in detail. Merely glimpsing through it gives me headaches. Must I wield through all those garbage before I find something about his personal life, like his marriage with Victoria and Rebecca Loos. Who on earth remembers which season he marries Victoria Adams except die-hard soccer fans? Structurally if this stays like this I'll never support the feature article status. Mandel 10:32, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Useful site for editors

Timeline of Beckham's career on BBC website

David Beckham's fame and popularity reached the very top in Japan during the 2002 FIFA World Cup. Maybe someone can expand on this and maybe can take it further by showing the impact that is Beckham to the rest of the World.

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