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Schlossberg, please read Wikipedia:NPOV. We strictly enforce this policy.

Also I nominated this article KAL 007 and the Russian Ramming Attempt for deletion because it is unreferenced and an NPOV violation. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We do not post eyewitness accounts as separate articles. We are an encyclopedia. Wikisource is used for texts and Wikiquote is used for quotes. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could have the author of the book produce a form of permission and have the text uploaded to Wikisource - BUT make sure the author positively gives permission. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry 'bout that - Wikisource in fact prohibits any copyrighted texts [1] - Well, maybe another Wiki will want to take the KAL007 texts. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, I notice that it prohibits fair use - If you get permission from the copyright holder I think you can upload it to Wikisource after all.. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You are welcome - but make sure that the people on WikiSource know of the author's permission - if you need to have the author contact Wikisource and tell Wikisource that you have his permission :) WhisperToMe (talk) 07:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Just noticed that the article, now in Wikisource has been nominated for deletion. In the request for Comment, I mentioned your name as the one who suggested that it can be done this way - If that's O.K. I have the author's permission letter to use in case requestedBert Schlossberg (talk) 07:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has not been nominated for deletion yet -- the notice says "Warning: This page does not provide license information and may be nominated for deletion." - So, contact this guy Wikisource:User_talk:Jayvdb and he will clarify stuff and will help you prove that you have the author's permission :) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the information mentioned in that book also in the ICAO report? I think the ICAO report would mention the stuff in the Hokkaido beaches. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, the citation is for that last part that hasn't been cited yet. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 20:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sakhalin

So, you made this:

On May 28 1995, an earthquake measuring 7.5 on the Richter scale occurred, killing 2,000 people in the town of Neftegorsk.

Part of the Korean Air Flight 007. Interesting. ~ WikiDon (talk) 05:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So I did, Don. Sorry. Actually I became aware of it but hoped that others could put subtitles like I did to the sections to put more order to it. Can it still be done,leaving my subsection title up and letting that be an encouragement to others?Bert Schlossberg (talk) 05:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If not could you replace the other info of my edit and leave the subtitle off?Bert Schlossberg (talk) 05:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Stalk of KAL 007

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Hello/Shalom

Hello there. Do you also teach Syriac-Aramaic?--Yohanun (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I have written permission from the Photographer and owner Paul Soutar, who took the photo aboard on of the Naval vessels in search operation. He has given me permission to use as I see fit. The Navy Dept. had released these pictures.Bert Schlossberg (talk) 14:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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So....

...I've removed your recent edit. It's no doubt of use but it needs to be neutralised and correctly cited. Feel free to work on it in a sandbox and make sure it complies with our guidelines, notably WP:NPOV and WP:MOS before inserting it into a high-profile article which is bound to be liable to POV edits. I understand where you're coming from but you must work within the policies (including WP:COI) to allow your contributions to stand. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Looking over your contributions, I noticed that there seems to be one KAL 007-related article you haven't edited: Larry McDonald. Do you plan to edit that article anytime soon? was TML (talk) 16:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look soon and see. I had edited a while ago but it was removed. Maybe it's time againBert Schlossberg (talk) 21:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Bert, are you aware that you might be editing Wikipedia whilst accidentally logged out? It's recommended that you choose to edit exclusively with your account so as to minimise things such as the above. If you require any help whatsoever, please don't hesitate to contact me. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 06:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you can tell me exactly what you would like me to do then I can help to the best of my ability :-) - Regards and take care, friend. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 22:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Getting KAL007 to pass GA

Bert, You might ask User:Happyme22 to help with this effort. I don't know if he is willing or available, but Happy has experience getting politically sensitive articles to pass Good Article and Featured Article reviews (I worked with him on Iran Contra scandal, which is a GA). Socrates is right, if this article is to reach GA this go-around it needs lots of experienced, dedicated editors to go back, hunt down the sources, attribute them, scrub the content that was copied, and fast. It looks like all three of us are working on it, but if we're still finding issues, that's a bad sign. I frankly cannot dedicate more time to this article than I am right now.Dave (talk) 07:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O.K. Dave, Thanks!Bert Schlossberg (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bert, You need to click this link: File:Time magazine.jpg and edit the page adding a fair use rational for this image ASAP. It has been flagged for deletion, and will be deleted in a few days if you don't. For some examples see File:Dueltruckfront.jpg or File:Tianasquare.jpg. Basically, a fair use rational is wikipedia speak for a short paragraph on why wikipedia should be allowed to use a specific copyrighted image on a specific wikipedia article because of the fair use doctrine, and why Time magazine shouldn't sue the uploader for copyright infringement. It only takes a few minutes, but is important for legal protection.Dave (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bert, I did not pass the GA for KAL007. Please don't take this personally. I honestly believe this will be a GA in the not too distant future. I would be honored to be the reviewer that passes it. However the fact is, while the article has significantly improved, there is more work to do. While I think Socrates crossed the line of assume good faith when he accused you of using sockpuppets, I hope this does not deter you from continuing to work with him on this article. That is what will make this article great, is when it can survive scrutiny from multiple editors with multiple viewpoints. Good Luck. Dave (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The socket puppetry was my mistake, and I apologise for that (I've dealt with two other controversial articles recently where the primary contributors were socket puppets, so I guess I was on the lookout here too). Let's move on - I'd like to see this reach GA too. Socrates2008 (Talk) 06:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dave, I want to thank you for the quality of your work and your good involvement with me. I will not be deterred and view the experience as a good one, though not easy at times. I do hope that you are the one to be the reviewer for the next try. Socrates, thank you for the apology about the sockpuppetry and I will not be deterred from working with you. Please overlook any crustiness that overlies my persistancy with this issue. The very best to both of you and see you!Bert Schlossberg (talk) 08:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Bert, I moved those images to Commons. If you're not familiar, Wikimedia Commons is a sister project to Wikipedia with the goal to create a free art library, similar to Wikipedia's goal to be a free encyclopedia. It uses the same base software and behaves very similar to Wikipedia, and your wikipedia account _should_ work there too (although there have been problems). Only images known with 100% certainty to be free for all uses should be put on commons, for example the TIME magazine cover could not be moved to Commons.

Placing it on Commons has two advantages. One, the Commons is connected to wikipedia and all of wikipedia's sister projects, so this image can now be used by the spanish language wikipedia, russian language wikipedia, etc. Two, even if editors delete it because they feel it's not appropriate for an encyclopedia article, it IS appropriate for a free art library and will still be available via this link at the bottom of the page:

.Dave (talk) 05:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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KAL 007 GA

Bert, if it's agreeable with you, I'd like to focus efforts from this point on stabilising the article and fixing the remaining unresolved references, with a view to submitting to GA in the next week. How does that sound? Socrates2008 (Talk) 06:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Socrates, sounds good. All I've got is a couple of entries into the Time Table of Attack. I will be home in a couple of days and will do it. You are doing good work! BertBert Schlossberg (talk) 13:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff?

I knew him, but mostly just by name. It was also a few years ago. — BQZip01 — ^talk 15:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Small world, as they say. Could you do a favor? I see that besides being interested in KAL 007, you are an Electronic Warfare Officer. Would you read these two pieces and get back to me with your opinion? Please email it to this address: webmaster@rescue007.org Thanks!Bert Schlossberg (talk) 15:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC) http://www.rescue007.org/RC_135.htm http://www.rescue007.org/RC_135_cont.htm[reply]

KAL 007=GA

Well done, this is now a good article. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Socrates, you are a good manBert Schlossberg (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure working with you! Socrates2008 (Talk) 05:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Citation now inBert Schlossberg (talk) 03:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your prompt response. Dolphin51 (talk) 03:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Bert. I noticed your comment on the talk page of the article, in which you claimed that the text was copied from your book. While this would solve the copyright issue, it would be classed as original research. Original research is not considered encyclopaedic and is hence considered unsuitable for Wikipedia. Judging by your comments, you may also have a conflict of interest in the Korean Airlines Crash. Please read those two pages, as they will provide information about what the appropriate editing practices in relation to this is. As a side, you may wish to read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials if you still wish to use your copyrighted materials on Wikipedia. Hope to hear from you. :) \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 09:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bert, two additional points. (1) Anyone can post anything on Wikipedia and claim that they were the original author of it and that they authorize redistribution of it. If you want to establish this as a fact, please see WP:Donating copyrighted materials. (2) Even if you do this, the material you submitted is not in the nature of an encyclopedia article and is likely to be deleted anyway. I encourage you to review the five pillars of Wikipedia so that you can understand what kind of material we are looking for. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 09:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We'll keep discussion on this page shall we? :)

Your connection with the aircrash does constitute a conflict of interest, but it is nice to see you are making a conscious effort to avoid bias. There are many other issues that need to be addressed, such as the confirmation of your identity. I'm not going to be of much help to you, so I'm starting a thread on WP:ANI to help you out and get some input from some administrators who are experienced in this area. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 12:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your efforts. I will help out in my identity question. I have a number of means of identity, through various websites aside from my own, photographs, documents. Let me know. Yes, I do, and will, make conscious effort to avoid bias, and of course, will work (with others, I am sure) to make article more encyclopaedic.Bert Schlossberg (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem to me that, based on your evident knowledge about this incident, you could make some valuable contributions to our existing article, Korean Air Lines Flight 007, rather than simply reposting material from your book. Any such contributions should include references to secondary sources, since, as Backslash Forwardslash noted above, Wikipedia is not meant as a publisher of original research. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming you are who you say you are, is it really your intention to relinquish your copyright and make your work public domain? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots 12:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

R'n'B, I am the major contributing editor of Korean Air Lines Flight 007. The present article is an expansion of one aspect of that article - how it went astray

Basebakk Bugs, Is it required that I give an answer to that question to proceed with the issues at hand? For a long time I've thought about this issue and it may be the way to go in order bring this matter to the greater number of peopleBert Schlossberg (talk) 12:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Assuming you are who you say you are, is it really your intention to relinquish your copyright and make your work public domain? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]] 12:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
+R'n'B, I am the major contributing editor of [[Korean Air Lines Flight 007]]. The present article is an expansion of one aspect of that article - how it went astray
+Basebakk Bugs, Is it required that I give an answer to that question to proceed with the issues at hand? For a long time I've thought about this issue and it may be the way to go in order bring this matter to the greater number of people[[User:Bert Schlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] ([[User talk:Bert Schlossberg#top|talk]]) 12:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)