Talk:Kamen Rider Decade

DCD

DCD also stands for DataCarDass, the new Rider card game which ties in with Decade. 220.255.7.194 (talk) 10:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

This has not appeared in anything other than rumor-filled posts. As such, it's not gonna show up here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Seems like Decade scans the cards by slotting them into his buckle, somewhat like the Blade series henshinbelts... 220.255.7.187 (talk) 13:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Not important.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

DecaDriver

A page tells about the 'Deca Driver (ディケイドライバー, Dikei Doraiba). Fractyl (talk) 00:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

This isn't important at this stage of the article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it now, as the 2-moded Raidoscar (ライドコッカー, Raidoskā) is shown in both Gun and Sword Modes? We do need to set up the Rider arsenal.

• Deca Driver and Raidoscar
• Deca Driver and Cards

Fractyl (talk) 22:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

None of this is important when the show has not aired yet, Fractyl.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, wrong katakana. It's RideBooker, not RideScar. Haftorang 00:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haftorang (talk • contribs)

Decade Series Info Finally revealed

New info from thr Asahi Site..."To meet all the Riders and battle them to the death....that is Decade's fate...The nine Kamen Rider worlds that used to exist in parallel to each other have begun to merge, throwing the dimensional balance in chaos as all enemies from each of these worlds begin appearing simultaneously in the world of Tsukasa Kadoya, who is of a group that must begin on a journey to the 9 other worlds for a myterious reasons.

The opening theme is to be sung by Gackt

Decade Cast

• Masahiro Inoue: Tsukasa Kadoya/Kamen Rider Decade
• Mori Anna: "heroine"
• Murai Ryouta: "Yuusuke Godai"/Kamen Rider Kuuga
• Ishibashi Renzi: "villain"

Fractyl (talk) 23:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

-So Kuuga will be portrayed by a different actor... 220.255.7.167 (talk) 03:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Stop adding this stuff to the article, Fractyl. We don't have any textual sources that say this. Or at least you don't source them directly.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

And I especially cannot find the lead character's name. I did, however, find more important production information that you neglected.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Not neglected, per say. Just didn't find. Fractyl (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I believe you meant "per se". =P 220.255.7.211 (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Why the name change?

In Kamen Rider Kuuga the man who became Kuuga was called Yuusuke Godai but in Kamen Rider Decade the man who became Kuuga is called Yuusuke Onodera. Why the name change? If it is something revealed in the Kuuga series, I haven't seen it and shouldn't it be mentioned on the Kuuga character article? --The Virginian (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

You're not the only one wondering this, I'm baffled at that as well. Let's see if Ryulong can help the both of us out. --Burai (talk) 16:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

This is information directly related to the subject of the article and not improving this particular article (necessarily). As there is nothing extensive concerning the plot of Decade we have no idea why (storywise) Kuuga is Yuusuke Onodera (with "Yuusuke" written in katakana) instead of Yuusuke Godai (with "Yuusuke" in kanji). However, the reason for the casting change is very likely because Joe Odagiri did not want to be part of the Decade production and there will probably be a full explanation for the story in the coming weeks.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, it maybe that the Kuga storyline maybe rebooted in Decade. But we'll know for certain once the series airs or the magazines provide new info. Fractyl (talk) 02:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Profiles

Here are the main character profiles.

• Eijoro Hikari: The mysterious owner of the Portrait Studio, its collection of potraits modeled after the Parallel Worlds are key items to allow the Portrait Studio and its occupants to cross into other worlds.

• Natsumi Hikari: Eijiro's grandaughter and only worker in the Portrait Studio. Though seeing a vision of end of the world, Natsumi's very positive in doing her part to save it, able to make even the most hard-hearted of people laugh.

Fractyl (talk) 07:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Kuuga

Set up the profile for use on the article.

• Rider height: 200cm
• Rider weight: 90kg
• Ability perimeters
  • Punching power: 3t
  • Normal kicking power: 10t
  • Maximum jump height: 15m
  • Maximum running speed: 100m/5.2s

A young man who fights the Grongi with the aid of female inspector Ai Yashiro of the "Unidentified-Lifeform Prevention Group", Yuusuke transforms into Kamen Rider Kuuga through the use of the Arcle powered by the Amadam Stone which allows him can transform from his Mighty Form (マイテフォーム, Maite Fōmu) into any one of his three other forms that each suited for a range of combat. While in either of the three forms, Kuuga can alter any item he has into the form's respective weapon by temporary changing its atomic structure.

Fractyl (talk) 23:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Is this just a copy of the known information from Kamen Rider Kuuga (character)?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Only in Kuuga's abilties in the first half of the series (Expect same with other Riders). Other than that, Yuusuke and the detective have been rebooted into new characters with similar roles to their KR Kuuga counterparts. Fractyl (talk) 01:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Kuuga in Decade might have different abilities. We'll just have to see it when it comes out on the website.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that to be the case. But with Decade's ability to assume a Rider's appearence, you might be on something. Fractyl (talk) 23:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The only way we'll find out is when the Decade website adds characters and stuff.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Having a look at this and the original charcter, I'm guessing they are diffrent. Looks like that they are ignoring Growing and Ultimate Form. But still, let's wait. --Numyht (talk) 16:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Same rider, different human identity and continuity. But the Growing and Ultimate Forms would be involved, they're just not mentioned for many reasons. Fractyl (talk) 02:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

New Charatcers

It seems the names and characters of Kuuga have changed, but the roles stay the same.

• Ai Yashiro (矢代 藍, Yashirō Ai): The detective who is leading operative of the "Unidentified-Lifeform Prevention Group" set up to fight the Grongi. She help Yuusuke in fighting the Grongi. played by Hiroko Sato
• N･Kamio･Zeba (ン･カミオ･ゼバ, N Kamio Zeba): The lord of the Grongi Tribe.

• Narutaki (鳴滝): A mysterious man who oversees Decade's progress across the dimensions. Played by Tatsuhito Okuda.

Fractyl (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Where are you getting this from?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

He must've gotten this from either Dukemon or Henshin Attitude. --Burai (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

First Promo

In the First Promo for Decade you could see the following Kamen Riders: Chalice
Den-O Sword Form
Kuuga Mighty Form
Ibuki
TheBee
Caucasus
There was another one blocked by Decade, during the same time Kuuga is kneeling on the ground
--The Virginian (talk) 19:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe Fractyl added that in the page until Ryulong reverted it. We only know that Kuuga will most likely appear in the first episode. --Burai (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it seems the big scene in the TV promo is a dream sequences. But either way, the non-title character riders in pre-show trailer to Kamen Rider Decade are Kamen Riders G3, Chalice, Gattack, Ibuki, TheBee, Kick Hopper (Different scene), Punch Hopper (Different scene), and Caucasus. Fractyl (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

What appears in trailers is not indicative to what is going to happen in the show itself nor does it effectively tell us anything about the story. It is simply done to show what things are going to look like, often solely using footage from the first episode.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

It does in the big picture, but due to the quality and no one yet translating the trailer, there's nothing much to add other than the Riders involved in the Dream Sequence and the Hoppers in a different scene. Fractyl (talk) 01:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The trailer says "COMING SOON: MASKED RIDER DECADE. COMING SUNDAY JANUARY 25 AT 8:00 AM. WATCH IT.". There's nothing of worth at all for encyclopedic content there.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:32, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that's the TV trailer you're refering to, this is the one I'm talking about From where the interview took place with lines from the show. Fractyl (talk) 06:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

It is still nothing that we can really pull any reliable information from.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

You can reliably pull from both the fact non-title Riders will appear as well.--The Virginian (talk) 01:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Kamen Rider G

I found at TV-Asahi's Decade website that they will have Goro Inagaki to be Kamen Rider G. I cannot understand the whole website since Google's translation is bad. Can you explain that for me? Thank you. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.48.222.4 (talk) 02:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

No one's quite sure what it's about yet. It's something concerning SMAP's SmaSTATION show and the 50th anniversary of TV Asahi. Whether it's directly linked to Decade is anyone's guess.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, we know that Kamen Rider G is just a parody. It is not connected with Decade. --Burai (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Episode numbers

Do we have any proof of Kamen rider Decade having 30 episodes?User:Abomasnow (talk) 17:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Not really. I reverted that edit twice today and it better not happen again. Whoever is doing it should get a scolding. --Burai (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Hold on a minute, it's known that Decade will only run for 30 episodes, as someone said that Masahiro Inoue stated that the series will run for that long. Again, we need a source for that. --Burai (talk) 19:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

It appeared in some magazine, but when talking to Igadevil, he has doubts to the veracity of the statement.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Differences from Original Series section?

Should we add a section detailing the differences of the nine Kamen Rider worlds from the original series they're based on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugiohmike2001 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

No. That will be covered in the character list.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:46, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Nothing should be created until more information is gathered. It has been way too frequent for people to edit the article and add in information that has not been confirmed by either Toei or TV-Asahi. This really does need to stop, it doesn't help at all, and usually just ends up leading people to be completely misinformed. General rule, don't add anything unless it has been confirmed by reliable sources. - DJ Kidna (talk) 15:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Kamen Rider Crisis

As it'd known that Decade will have a new Rider appearing in Ryuki's World that is named Abyss (well, Avis...), it's rumoured that Crisis will appear also, as seen in this magazine scan. It's also rumoured that Narutaki may be that Rider (the person seen near the end of the second episode).

Like I said, it's a rumour. Just thought I'd inform anyone about it. --Burai (talk) 12:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

• The Blue Rider's name is Kamen Rider Diend (仮面ライダーディエンド, Kamen Raidā Diendo) whose gun that uses Ride Cards.

• The other Rider is Kamen Rider Decade Complete Form (仮面ライダーディケイドコンプリートォーム, Kamen Raidā Dikeido Konpurīto Fōmu)

• Final Form Ride forms

Fractyl (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

There is no Crisis. Just Diend.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Handled that already (took a while to get the kana right). Care to help with the gear? Fractyl (talk) 04:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Not terribly important for the time being. We can wait for the super reveal in a month or so to get cleaner readings.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Diend? I was wondering what's the origin of that name until I found it it's a pun on "The End". --Burai (talk) 09:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It's not a pun. And we don't know the source of the name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it is derived from "The End". It can't be from anywhere else. Also, new information of that new Rider is known, again from the recent scans. His human identity is Taki kaito who is a person that knows of Tsukasa's past and is known as the "Phantom Thief". He can transform into other Riders like Decade but he can transform into ones that Decade can't such as Ohja, Kabuki and Rei. --Burai (talk) 09:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• That's Daiki Kaito (海東大樹, Kaitō Daiki), he is potrayed by Kimito Totani (戸谷 公人, Totani Kimito). --Punk 911 (talk) 10:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

If we have kanji (for his given name), it could be incorporated somewhere. And we cannot say "Diend" comes from "The End" at all unless it's brought up in one of the various magazines.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 09:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Haven't seen his name written in kanji yet, although I have seen Kazuma Kentate's name (alternate reincarnation of the original Kazuma Kenzaki who becomes Blade like him). --Burai (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Diend's ability of using Kamen Ride cards is to summon a Kamen Rider rather than to change into them, also he has his own Attack Ride card called "Diend Blast" a rapid fire attack similar to Decade Blast, and his Final Attack Ride card is the "Diend Shoot". I just saw it im the magazine --Punk 911 (talk) 04:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Unimportant.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I know that's not important for now until Diend's episode debut on Decade.Punk 911 (talk) 05:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

New pix of Diend

• Diend's human form.
• Diend's power and Rider Cards (Kabuki & Rey).

Fractyl (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, but I've fixed the first link in your comment, Fractyl. --Burai (talk) 22:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• The Keitach, Decade's Complete Form Fractyl (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Template

What the hell is up with the Decade template? I mean, the Kamen Rider Series template is actually inside it thus stretching it to an ugly size. Who actually thought that was a good idea? Someone fix that, please. --Burai (talk) 12:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

There was a mistake when an anonymous editor tried to edit it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh right. At least it's fixed now. --Burai (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Decade the movie

movie antagonists facing the Riders. Fractyl (talk) 12:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't really say much of anything.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Except that the DaiShocker's members are composed of ALOT of past Kamen Rider enemies. Here are some identified in the magazine and first TV spot on it.

• Shocker: Ikadevil, Garagaranda, Shiomaneking, Shocker Soldiers
• Doras (ZO)
• Fog: Garai (J)
• Grongi: Go Gadoru Ba
• Mirror Monsters: Psychorogue
• Orphnoch: Arch Orphnoch, Stinkbug Orphenoch
• Giraffa Undead
• Makumo: Hitotsumi
• Worms: Cassisworm, Geophildworm
• Mole Imagin
• Rat Fangire

Fractyl (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Some new stuff

I would add the following new stuff I found out recently but I'll probably put them here as it's too early to write them on the Decade articles yet.

~ We all know that Decade will get his Complete Form but it's known that Kuuga will also have a new form. It will be Rising Ultimate Form and you can see it here at 0:15.

~ Kouhei Takeda will return as Otoya Kurenai and will also return as Dark Kiva, which he'll be active between Episodes 20-21.

~ About the movie, it's said that Tsukasa has become the leader of DaiShocker and Decade has been created to destroy all Riders. However, he had lost his memory from the battle against them (which in this case is the Rider War that we've seen in the very first episode). Also, Decade then turns out to be DaiShocker's lost leader and will be replaced by Shadow Moon (of Black RX). There's more to this... Gackt will have the role of a Rider in the movie and a press conference will take place on the 25th May, meaning that the cast of the movie will be introduced.

You want source from the last two things I mentioned? Here you go. The video creator has also said that things about the movie are rumours but we'll find out more much later. --Burai (talk) 08:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

The Takeda stuff is mentioned and movie plot stuff cannot be sourced sufficiently. And Igadevil and myself essentially introduced knowledge (and high resolution photographs) of Rising Ultimate Kuuga and Complete Decade to the English speaking tokusatsu communities.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 08:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

To add, Tsukasa has a sister who appears in the movie, Gackt's to play Riderman, and a villian being worked on for the movie is King Dark from Kamen Rider X.Fractyl (talk) 12:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean Tsukasa has a sister? AlienX2009 (talk) 09:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

That appeared on the latest scans regarding the movie. Her name is Saya (小夜) --Burai (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Really? where did you find it? AlienX2009 (talk) 22:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The July issue of Telebi-kun has a feature on the Decade movie as well as some other stuff to appear in Decade during the months of June and July.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It's "Kamen"

The series and its titular characters are almost universally known by the name "Kamen Rider". Going and changing everything to "Masked" is unnecessary, especially considering every title card does the translation thing, not just Decade's. The name is very rarely translated unless in the case of certain merchandise like CD albums and the English release of Kamen Rider THE FIRST. In the context of the shows, the characters are still called "Kamen Riders", and in the context of everything else, the name of the show is the same way. 216.236.164.131 (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

if you want to name it 'kamen rider' you'll need official sources/citations. it doesn't get much more official than the title card and that says quite clearly 'masked rider dcd'. you're gonna need something pretty concrete to justify calling it kamen rider. wikipedia is supposed to be factual, not 'how people like it'. if there are other shows that are named incorrectly, perhaps these can be corrected over time. I only changed this page as i came to it and noticed it was incorrect. Drag-5 (talk) 19:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

If you want to get techinal with us, the title card does say Kamen Rider Decade if you know how to read it. TOEI slaps english names on everything. for example, the "offical" english name of JAKQ is "The Jackers" and Zyuranger is "Galaxy Rangers". you gonna change those two? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metropod (talk • contribs) 21:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, came across this from a dispute resoltuin "Policy at Wikipedia is a matter of consensus, tradition, and practice".Metropod (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC).

What the hell? Why did you move this page without consensus Drag-5? Every page on Wikipedia about this show is "Kamen Rider", even if the English name is given invariably throughout. I've moved the page back to Kamen Rider Decade. Masked Rider Decade should be a redirect if used at all. Do not move the page back without consensus to do so, again.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Ryulong you are the one who always wants to go with the official name for the shows, forms, etc. It clearly states in each logo "Masked Rider". Haftorang 23:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haftorang (talk • contribs)

As far as I'm concerned "Kamen Rider Decade" is the official name for this show.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This is english wikipedia, not japanese romanisation wikipedia, not original name wikipedia. toei have provided an english name for their show for the purposes of use in english documentation. they also provide this title on the title card of their show broadcast on TV. since you have performed some kind of block on edits that is illegal i propose you are disrupting the further improvement of wikipedia.Drag-5 (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This is not the name we use on Wikipedia. The series is not known as "Masked Rider" anywhere other than in the Toei materials. They call it "Kamen Rider" in Japan. We call it "Kamen Rider" here in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, etc. (except for that show in 1996). There is absolutely no need to move this page, especially when you have no consensus to do so.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ryulong, that is know as original research and is not allowed on wikipedia. you need to cite official sources and you yourself provided an official source that states the ENGLISH NAME as MASKED RIDER.Drag-5 (talk) 03:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This is coming from the guy who calls Ninpuu Sentai Hurricaneger "Hurricanger" when "Hurricaneger" is in the opening title sequence. And the ORIGINAL NAME is KAMEN RIDER. Which is what we use instead of the translated name that no one cares about other than you all of a sudden.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

To all who are reading this, Ryulong has now demonstrated a PERSONAL BIAS towards me. I propose that he is unift to make any judgement in this matter. Drag-5 (talk) 03:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I was informed of that by someone else. You should not have moved the page without discussing it first, and you should have not subsequently moved the page an additional 3 times. My personal feelings in how you perform your duties on other websites is inconsequential here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't you guys just make up already. AlienX2009 (talk) 03:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ryulong, you need to read wikipedia guidelines before partaking in edit wars and intimidating behaviour. please check the following page on wikipedia guidelines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28use_English%29 Drag-5 (talk) 04:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I was an administrator on this website for two and a half years. I know what I'm doing and I know what you did was wrong. Guidelines are only suggestions for content. They are not always followed. That is why they are only guidelines and not policy. It is clear from many Japanese sources that the usage of "Kamen Rider" is more prevalent than "Masked Rider".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps neither one of you is right. If that is the case, than neither is wrong. Hallmark of a good compromise. Perhaps, aside from tossing WP: links at each other, everyone participating in this article should have a civil discussion as to what is the rational, recognizable title for this series? Additionally, before tempers truly flair, you all should consider just how emotional this should get. There is no deadline, and this project isn't a right/wrong scenario. Just a few thoughts, take it for what it's worth. I'm not involved nor do I choose to be. I'm just saying. Keegan (talk) 04:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

ryulong, this is not japanese wikipedia. you need reliable english sources, not japanese sources. toei has provided an official english name. wikipedia guidelines states, use english names where appropriate reliable source is available.Drag-5 (talk) 04:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Common name trumps uncommon English name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

That's it this is getting stupid. we're fighting over a thing that has been done in the past and I am going to end it. like I said examples: 12796 Kamenrider, english relese of Kamen Rider and Kamen Rider V3, Kamen Rider Double and Kamen Rider Dragon Knight. Ryulong is right. AlienX2009 (talk) 04:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry, but this is in error. the other series and other releases you listed do not apply to masked rider decade or any other masked rider series. they are not to be considered reliable sources. ryulong is not right, I am not right, Toei is right and wikipedia guidelines is right. there has been provided NO sources for any common usage of kamen rider in englsih speaking countries. there has been provided a reliable verifiable source for an official english name. actually 2 sources if you include teh actual broadcast of the show.Drag-5 (talk) 04:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Drag-5 per WP:Naming conventions (use English). Powergate92Talk 04:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:Naming conventions (common names) takes a higher precedence over an uncommon English name, among my other arguments below.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The translation of "Kamen" into "Masked" is not consistent throughout Toei's releases in English. Several items are marketed as "Kamen Rider" and several are marketed as "Masked Rider". However, seeing as these shows have not been marketed in the anglophone world, we use the romanization and original name provided by Toei over the English name, particularly because the English name is not the common name in English. It is an official translation, which is mentioned on every page on Wikipedia. As per the general consensus, as well as several uses of the name in English media, "Kamen Rider" is what we use on the English Wikipedia over "Masked Rider". We use the official names whenever possible, and "Kamen Rider Decade" is the official name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

that's what I said... (-_-'). AlienX2009 (talk) 04:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Once again, you have provided no sources thus your argument is invalid. this is not a discussion board or opinion poll. this is an encyclopedia. I refer you once again to the guidelines and the official source providing an official english name. Drag-5 (talk) 05:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

NASA and the Japanese astronomer who named these two asteroids after the series (and its original actor) both refer to the show as "Kamen Rider". Is the National Aeronautics and Space Administration not a reliable source for you?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

you have not provided a source. you have simply given a broad statement.Drag-5 (talk) 05:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

12408 Fujioka & 12796 Kamenrider in NASA's JPL Small-Body Database Browser. Both descriptions, made by NASA, call it "Kamen Rider".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

this is evidence of a japanese person naming a asteroid 'kamenrider' this does not show in any way shape or form, any evidence of kamen rider being a popular term for a show in the english speaking world. please stop wasting time and take this seriously. you are making a mockery out of teh editing process.Drag-5 (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Read the description. AlienX2009 (talk) 05:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It is evidence that a Japanese astronomer, NASA, and the IAU call it "Kamen Rider" and not "Masked Rider". This means that internationally, "Masked Rider" is not used. It is used in minor applications in the Japanese media, particularly in Columbia's and Avex's record releases. No one seems to have an issue other than you. You have only said that the logo uses "Masked Rider DCD". That is not the title of the show, otherwise everything in Japan would have "DCD" instead of "Decade". Toei is not consistent. At Wikipedia, at least "Kamen Rider" is consistent.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

no this is evidence that a japanese person calls it kamen rider. because he is japanese, not english. nasa does not say anything about teh shows english name or widely accepted usage.Drag-5 (talk) 05:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

NASA calls the show "Kamen Rider". Toei calls the show both "Kamen Rider" and "Masked Rider". "Masked Rider DCD" is an official name for the show but it is definitely not the most common name. That happens to be "Kamen Rider Decade". Your arguments have not swayed me and there is a clear consensus here that "Kamen Rider..." is the accepted common English usage over "Masked Rider...".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:29, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

masked rider is the official western and widely recognised term. please view teh official USA release of masked rider teh first for additional evidence - http://www.amazon.com/Masked-Rider-First-Ryoko-Kobayashi/dp/B000JU8H74 Drag-5 (talk) 05:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Please view the official USA release of Kamen Rider V3 and the USA series Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight. There is no uniformity in what Toei releases these as. "Kamen Rider" is the more popular and more common phrasing. The official English translation means nothing when it is not used commonly.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

still what I said... (-_-'). AlienX2009 (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

He's not paying attention to it anyway.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight is not a toei production. kamen rider v3 is valid. however, what i have showed you is that masked rider is a common western usage as it is in wide circulation. I have demonstrated that masked rider is a common usage and that along with an official source stating it as the official english title, according to wikipedia guidelines is the name that should be used. Drag-5 (talk) 05:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(forgive me.) ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND. DK is Toei. confirm it before you say it. AlienX2009 (talk) 05:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

No you haven't. The official English title is in no way the most common title. The most common title is "Kamen Rider" which is what is used everywhere in the English speaking/writing world. The English title may exist, but no one uses it other than in rare instances.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:45, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

if you are not going to provide sources then you should stop posting. http://company.tv-asahi.co.jp/e/contents/presentation/data/200905/200905.pdf http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn6209/is_20041015/ai_n24407078/ http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5026/is_200410/ai_n18239842/ http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NTN/is_62/ai_n8695716/pg_6/ I have provided more sources. Drag-5 (talk) 06:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not moving. Stop bothering. No one believes it should be moved other than you, and Powergate92 who randomly agrees with whomever he feels like. The most common name is "Kamen Rider Decade". WP:UCN is given more weight over WP:UE. And even then guidelines are only suggestions. Not policies. The determination of how the guidelines should be applied is for the community to decide, and the part of the community that writes these articles feels that the common name of the series is the proper title of the page. And you cannot control who contributes to this thread.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

You better not be talking to me. Proof AlienX2009 (talk) 06:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh i see, you're using a japanese magazine as proof of english language usage. logical. Drag-5 (talk) 06:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Drag-5, you do not have consensus or agreement. You just keep picking things that support your argument. The page is going to remain where it is, as will every other Kamen Rider page on Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

the article has not recieved appropriate coverage. this discussion is one sided. I am providing logical statements, referring to wikipedia guidelines, providing multiple sources. you have provided no sound reason to keep the article as it is. this is not editing by concensus. you blocked editing following a multiple revert. you used underhanded methods to try and maintain some control over this article.you have not respected wikipedia methods. Drag-5 (talk) 06:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The sound reason is that "Kamen Rider Decade" is the most common name in English usage. I have proven that. You have handpicked things to your liking. There are 12 million hits for "Kamen Rider Decade" compared to less than 800 thousand for "Masked Rider Decade", and half of that for "Masked Rider DCD". "Kamen Rider Decade" is the most common name, as "Kamen Rider" is the most common name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

You should have done a Google News search not a Google search as a Google News search for "Kamen Rider Decade" shows 2 results and Google News search for "Masked Rider Decade" shows 16 results. The Google search is not reliable as it mostly shows fan sites and video sites. Powergate92Talk 06:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Your Google search encompasses any article that has the words "Masked", "Rider", and "Decade". Using "Kamen Rider Decade" gets 4 results and using "Masked Rider Decade" gets 0 results, same as "Masked Rider DCD" with no results.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, there's plenty of evidence that both names are officially used, and the common name takes precedence. In the interest of fairness, I'll list as much of the evidence here as I can find/recall.

• Kamen
  • The licensed Kamen Rider V3 DVDs all say "Kamen Rider V3". [1]
  • NASA's descriptions of the asteroids 12796 Kamenrider and 12408 Fujioka both say "Kamen Rider": [2], [3]
  • The logo of Kamen Rider Double clearly says "Kamen Rider Double". See AlienX2009's image above.
  • Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight airs in the US.
  • Korean dubs of Rider shows are pronounced "Gamyeon" (borrowed from the same Chinese word "Kamen" is borrowed from) and spelled as such in hangul but spelled "Masked" in Roman characters. (listed in both sections) [4] (note URL and logo on the page)
• Masked
  • Kamen Rider Kabuto is licensed in English in the Philippines, with the name given as "Masked Rider Kabuto". trailer
  • Kamen Rider The First is licensed in English, with "Masked Rider The First" on the DVD covers. (search Amazon for source: it's on there, but there's a link filter in place so I can't link it)
  • Saban's Masked Rider aired in the US (but predates Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight by a long time, implying that "Kamen Rider" is the current official name for US productions, and "Masked Rider" is an older one)
  • The logos of every Rider series from Kamen Rider Agito through Kamen Rider Decade say "Masked Rider".
  • The "Masked Rider Live" concerts. [5]
  • The boxes of several weapon and belt toys from Kamen Rider Den-O say "Masked Rider". Unfortunately, I can't find pictures of the boxes at high-enough resolutions or pictures of anything other than the fronts, so I can't give any proof other than that I saw it on the boxes of the toys I own.
  • S.H.Figuarts toys all say "Masked". [6] [7] (note though, that one of the URLs linked says "kamen", and the other used "Kamen" on the page)
  • Korean dubs of Rider shows are spelled "Masked" in Roman characters but pronounced "Gamyeon" (borrowed from the same Chinese word "Kamen" is borrowed from) and spelled as such in hangul. (listed in both sections) [8] (note URL and logo on the page)

While there is more evidence for "Masked", there is official evidence for "Kamen", and "Kamen" is the common name in the entire English-speaking world. Toei also has a history of being wildly inconsistent with their naming; the three official names of Kamen Rider 555/Faiz/Φ's and various things in Kamen Rider Kiva come to mind ("Fangire" has also been called "Fangaia" and "Fangaire", and "Garulu Saber" was called "Garulu Saver" for a while). jgpTC 07:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

What follows is peer reviewed sources showing some details of how common each term is. Drag-5 (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=%22masked+rider%22&hl=en&btnG=Search - 177 results http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%22kamen+rider%22&btnG=Search - 36 results http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%22masked+rider%22+toei&btnG=Search - 7 results http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%22kamen+rider%22+toei&btnG=Search - 10 results

http://books.google.com/books?q=%22masked+rider%22&btnG=Search+Books - 678 results http://books.google.com/books?q=%22kamen+rider%22&btnG=Search+Books - 105 results http://books.google.com/books?q=%22masked+rider%22+toei&btnG=Search+Books - 21 results http://books.google.com/books?q=%22kamen+rider%22+toei&btnG=Search+Books - 14 results

http://books.google.com/books?q=masked+rider+decade - 599 results http://books.google.com/books?q=kamen+rider+decade - 229 results

Do you even read them. all that say Masked Rider is about Hotels, Bikes and Books. Kamen Rider is the best search because it shows japanese toys, Kamen Rider Manga and other stuff. AlienX2009 (talk) 19:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Your searches for "Masked Rider" show some false positives with the Masked Rider character of 20th century American television, as well as references to Saban's series. The proper term is "Kamen Rider". Stop bitching.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The search results include "masked rider" "kamen rider" including toei in hte search, also there is a specific search for masked rider decade and kamen rider decade. please check thoroughly before discounting perfectly good evidence. and please stop your personal atacks on me and focus on the topic. Drag-5 (talk) 02:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever. "Kamen Rider Decade" is the name Wikipedia uses for this article, not "Masked Rider Decade" or "Masked Rider DCD". The show is more known as "Kamen Rider Decade" than any other name. This page is not moving, and no other page is moving.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, "Toei" is not a good choice. "Ishinomori" is however. There are more results for "Kamen Rider"+Ishinomori than there are "Masked Rider"+Ishinomori, and many have both names. It seems "Kamen Rider" is more common.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Another point, some shows have just the Japanese title on the title card. Kuuga, Ryuki, Hibiki and Kabuto for example. By Drag 5's logic, those can't be changed. this would create an inconsistancy in the names, and ruin everything everyone has worked so hard on.Metropod (talk) 03:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

wow. this is refreshing. now this is sensible. you bring up a good point. I'm so glad i actually found someone who is willing to consider somebody else point of view and talk about it. well do you think that for each of those shows there should be a check on which is the most popular name? stick with the title card? use the official english name provided by toei? how can you keep it consistent? since they are all named separately, do you tink it would be consistent to name all hte pages on wikipedia separately? this would remain consistent with the namig conventions on the title cards.Drag-5 (talk) 03:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's opposing you still, and the discussion below should very well be closed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The difference is that metropod is talking with the good of the article and wikipedia in mind, not simply from a polar opposite or his own personal opinion. Drag-5 (talk) 04:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no difference. He's bringing up the fact that there is still no conformity and that the title should remain at "Kamen Rider".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

and for these reason i might agree with him. this is what it means to communicate properly. Drag-5 (talk) 04:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Kamen Rider Decade → Masked Rider Decade — The Title-Card of the show displays the english title 'masked rider', and a search on googlebooks brings up more hits for masked rider decade than for kamen rider decade. Googlebooks also brings up more hits for "masked rider" and 'toei' the production company than the same search using "kamen rider" and 'toei'. It seems clear that peer reviewed sources support masked rider as the commonly used term. Drag-5 (talk) 03:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: There is already consensus above that this move is not right. Therefore, I oppose the move per the conversation above at #It's "Kamen", and move that this disruption by Drag-5 end.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  To elaborate, the common name for any and all things 仮面ライダー in the English speaking world is "Kamen Rider", where as the English name is "Masked Rider", but that is most certainly not the most common name. Google Book searches show more results for "Kamen Rider"+Ishinomori than "Masked Rider"+Ishinomori, as is stated above, and this is the same in the normal Google search for "Kamen Rider"+Ishinomori vs "Masked Rider"+Ishinomori. Just because a translated English name exists most certainly does not mean that is the name that should be used primarily on Wikipedia, when the more non-translated romanized name is more prevalent everywhere.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  Another counterpoint is that the English names of these series do not adequately serve the purpose as search terms or as actual English. The translated name for Kamen Rider Decade is "Masked Rider DCD"; Kamen Rider Blade is "Masked Rider ♠"; Kamen Rider 555 is "Masked Rider Φ's", and Kamen Rider Agito is "Masked Rider ΑgitΩ". None of these titles are even close to being English, which is why "Decade", "Blade", "555", and "Agito" are used instead, which would make "Kamen Rider" the better title, as it is closest to the original intended reading.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  your argument only serves to show some uncertainty as to the common name. in this case WP:UE takes precedence. Drag-5 (talk) 04:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

  No, it clarifies that the common name is "Kamen", which is now the only name used by Toei as is the case with Kamen Rider: Dragon Knight and Kamen Rider Double and the "KamenRide" cards in Decade and the Ganbaride game. The English name is not the common name, and I was clear in saying that. Stop twisting my words around.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose Kamen Rider is the more official term used, in almost every media outlet as Ryulong mentioned. Even America uses the term in Dragon Knight. Fractyl (talk) 05:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• This is just stupid. Of course it will stay that's the original title. Masked Rider is just a translated word not the actual tital. Also Double will not be called "Masked Rider Double". This is getting way offhand. AlienX2009 (talk) 08:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support - per Drag-5. Powergate92Talk 05:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - I am more prefer to the word "Kamen Rider" bcuz it's sounds cooler than "Masked" and Ryulong was right about it.--Punk 911 (talk) 06:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• yeah, imagine look! it's "Masked Rider Double"!. that's way too wierd. I totally agree with Ryulong and not because of the cool thing. AlienX2009 (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose: Kamen Rider is the official name being used for the franchise in the english speaking world at this time. If you compound that with the fact the every other wikipedia article on the franchise uses the Kamen Rider name I think that consensus favors it. Additionally the title Kamen Rider is more specific as the title Masked Rider applies to other things such as Texas Tech's mascot and a Boris Karloff film. Solid State Survivor (talk) 23:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• What concerns me the most is the following Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Use_the_most_easily_recognized_name, this article seems to be mostly edited by fans and people who already know most of this stuff. For a person who has not been exposed to much japanese culture or tokusatsu series', they will not be as familiar with the term kamen rider. Sure, among the fandom the term kamen rider is more common, and I usually use this name when talking abnout it amongst friends. but i feel that the fandom of this type of show is a small majority among the entire english speaking world. This is why Wikpedia puts a high value on peer reviewed sources and not a straight up google search. My perspective is this, if somebody looks at the show in question in an official format i.e. on japanese television, the only way they would recognise what it is and be able to search for it is by reading teh title card. they would read masked rider dcd. the only place where this show is known widely as kamen rider is among the fansubbing scene which, i might add, is technically illegal. I would like to emphasise here, wikipedia is supposed to be optimised for readers not editors. the most people who visit this page to find out information about the show will be people who do not already know about it. Drag-5 (talk) 00:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Fansubbing has nothing to do with this. There is enough prose in the article to illuminate the casual reader as to the fact that there are alternate names. The first line in the article is the most common name of the show and every possible variation thereof. The most common and most easily recognized name for this is "Kamen Rider Decade" and not "Masked Rider DCD" or "Masked Rider Decade". That is also why there is a redirect at Masked Rider DCD (why there wasn't one at Masked Rider Decade prior to your non-consensus and contested moves, I don't know). The name "Kamen Rider" in the title does not seem to deter the editors from other countries from editing this page, as is evident by the Japanese IP who comes every week to fix things up if the English language editors have not updated the page yet. From my searches in Google Books, "Kamen Rider" is the more commonly appearing name and certainly drectly applies to the Japanese series. Google scholar also helps in determining this disparity, because "Kamen Rider" results in direct hits whereas "Masked Rider" picks up on the 90s US series and other similarly named figures. The use of the Japanese word "Kamen" is more common and directly applies to the Japanese broadcasts, which is what this article covers.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: As has already been noted by the mass of links in comments above, Kamen Rider is clearly the more accepted name, not just among the fandom, but even among official sources. TOei's own discrepancies on the subject seem to have coalesced into Kamen Rider now. And on an unrelated note, I'm not sure how you could honestly suggest we move this article to Masked Rider Decade, Drag-5, while at the same time trying to move Ninpuu Sentai Hurricaneger over to "Hurricanger" with the claim that we should go with the common name over the "official" one in that case. Arrowned (talk) 04:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  It's quite simple. according to wikipedia guidelines. if you read wikipedia guidelines you would see that what i propose makes perfect logical sense.Drag-5 (talk) 05:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  It makes logical sense for you to claim common usage is the wrong way to go in one instance and then turn around and say it's the right way to go in another? That doesn't jive with any guidelines I've seen; you're going to have to explain your stances here in a little more detail. Arrowned (talk) 05:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  sure, no problem. wikipedia guidelines state to use the most recognised english name. to elaborate further, the guidelines state that the english name is most important UNLESS there is a clearly more common name that is not english. in that case the more common name would be used. but if there are names that are equally common, one in english, one not in english then the english name should be used. I was going to forget about this topic until i was going over wikipedia guidelines and it made this clear. it provided a clear definition of peer reviewed sources google books and google scholar. it also says that google on its own is not reliable. this is why i have requested this move because the names are shown to be more popular in one way and less popular in another way. it is unclear and both seem to have equal popularity, so in this case english name takes preference. if the google books and google scholar showed CLEAR preference for the japanese name, I would not be wasting my time. the nonly reason i am doing this is because it is what wikipedia guidelines instructs me to do.Drag-5 (talk) 06:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)