Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 December 24

24 December 2010

Agdaban massacre

Agdaban massacre (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

User:Buckshot06 used his administrative privilege to delete Agdaban massacre, Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Garadaghly Massacre articles without reviewing the case, participating in or awaiting the outcome of discussions on the talk pages. The deletion, as admitted by deleting administrator here, was carried out solely at the suggestion of Armenia-Azerbaijan ArbCom case participant, currently under editing restrictions per A-A Arbcom, User:MarshallBagramyan. Two administrators at WP:AN already opined here and here that the deletion of articles did not follow the appropriate procedure. I kindly request that the articles are restored and the proper procedure is followed for either deleting topical pages without selection of backgrounds or keeping them. (talk) 01:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Er, couple of minor points. Firstly, you're under A-A2 restrictions yourself, Atabey. Also, as User:Atabek, you were among the initial parties of the whole A-A2 case itself. Secondly, while one of the the comments linked above is from an admin, the other is not. Third, previous discussion regarding this issue is at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:Buckshot06.Buckshot06 (talk) 01:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

My original description of my actions was: ':::Hi all. The discussion and the original issue can be viewed at User talk:Buckshot06#New section, including the original request by User:MarshallBagramyan. The question at issue was whether the articles asserted that the massacres did take place without any question, or, whether they should reflect ambiguity over whether the incidents had taken place in the manner described. Not being able to read all the language refs provided (I don't speak Azeri or Armenian), I had to follow the English and what I could of the Russian, and decided that the articles did in fact posit the events had taken place, while they should have only been describing allegations. Therefore, I decided to delete the articles in accordance with WP:IAR so that better redrafting could take place.

Since then I've been attacked by what appear to be a number of nationalistic POV-pushers. Yet they do have a point; I probably should have sent the articles to a deletion debate instead. I would welcome attacks over potential misuse of process, but I am annoyed by those who imply a New Zealander is taking the 'wrong' view in a Azeri-Armenian dispute. Regards to all Buckshot06 (talk) 01:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)'

Thank you. But these points have nothing to do with deletion procedure being carried out improperly by yourself (as indicated here and here), based solely on suggestion of A-A participant and your personal view of him. Moreover, similar concerns raised in Maraghar Massacre article where most references were actually made up before, did not seem to cause a similar concern on your behalf.

Again, whether I was participant of A-A or not, or what faith you assume about myself or other editors, summarizing one group of them as "nationalist POV pushers", is not really relevant to this deletion review.

Looking forward for neutral administrators to look into the subject matter. Thanks. Atabəy (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Overturn Based on a review of the Google cached versions, the articles are clearly not attack pages or negative unsourced BLPs. The deference due to speedy deletions for which WP:BLP is invoked as a justification carries with it a corollary requirement not to invoke the policy in defense of obviously unjustified speedy deletions. WP:IAR, which the deleting administrator is now noting as a reason for his actions, isn't applicable, since speedy deletion of these articles doesn't really improve Wikipedia: it is far easier to correct a perceived WP:NPOV problem in an existing article than to redo all of the work needed to find sources, and rewrite the article from scratch. The exact source list from a deleted article, though temporarily available in cached versions, can't easily be used, since contributors would not be properly credited. Chester Markel (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for review. If the articles can be restored now, I can proceed with researching and adding appropriate references. Atabəy (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Not so fast: because the deleting administrator cited WP:BLP in the deletion log, according to arbcom the articles cannot be restored until a full discussion of not less than seven days occurs, with sufficient participation to discern a consensus for restoration, even if this takes more than seven days due to the celebration of the Christmas and New Years holidays by large portions of the world. This is why inappropriate deletions for which WP:BLP is invoked can cause so much disruption. Chester Markel (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Overturn as out-of-process deletion. No prejudice to taking all three of these to AFD for discussion. --Jayron32 03:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)