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== Template:Section OR == |
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Per [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Unreferenced_section&oldid=528542434#Restore_to_long_version this discussion], {{tl|Unreferenced section}} was moved back to the wide ambox standard. Imho the same should be done with {{tl|Section OR}}, particularly because otherwise, it leads to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Journey_to_the_Center_of_the_Mind&oldid=528948286#Meaning this]. Would you mind unbureaucratically formatting {{tl|Section OR}}? Imho this is entirely uncontroversial and doesn't warrant a separate discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/87.79.128.82|87.79.128.82]] ([[User talk:87.79.128.82|talk]]) 12:12, 20 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Will do. As it's a protected template I can only make changes by consensus, so I have left a note at [[Template_talk:Original_research#Restore_to_long_version]]. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 08:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Done. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 09:42, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks a bunch! --[[Special:Contributions/87.78.0.235|87.78.0.235]] ([[User talk:87.78.0.235|talk]]) 23:40, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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OK. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 23:47, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Philip Larkin's women == |
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:Yes. I'll take a look into that, though I may not have the time to do anything until I get back home. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 14:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC) |
:Yes. I'll take a look into that, though I may not have the time to do anything until I get back home. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 14:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::Many thanks, happy Holidays. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 09:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
::Many thanks, happy Holidays. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 09:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Binding arbitration for [[Jerusalem]] == |
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You suggest "binding RFC" as a solution to the dispute over [[Jerusalem]], rather than Arbcom. But our latest request for arbitration, about a month ago, was turned down because some of the parties refused to take part. Are you suggesting that there is some way to force recalcitrant editors to abide by an arbitration to which they refused to be a party? Otherwise, you are just passing the buck. --[[User:Ravpapa|Ravpapa]] ([[User talk:Ravpapa|talk]]) 16:12, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Mediation does for some reason require consent of all parties before it can be started. A RfC, on the other hand, only requires the consensus of the parties. Consensus does not need to be 100%, and rarely is. See [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]]. You can set up the RfC under terms to be agreed by consensus (which does not need to be 100% of the parties), and then have it closed by an independent admin. When an action has consensus then the community is obliged to follow it. The agreed way to challenge consensus is by discussion rather than direct action. If someone is going against consensus by direct action rather than discussion then they can be considered to be disruptive, and after warnings may be blocked if they continue to be disruptive. I hope this helps - if not, let me know. And if you want someone to close the RfC, I'll be prepared to do that. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 16:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::It sounds like a possibility. Perhaps you could raise the idea explicitly on the talk page. Thanks for the explanation. --[[User:Ravpapa|Ravpapa]] ([[User talk:Ravpapa|talk]]) 19:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC) |
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=== Your comment at RFAR === |
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Hi there. I noticed in the Jerusalem request, in arbitrator comments, somewhere you said "The Committee could have allowed the community the opportunity to resolve this - so far there have been talkpage discussions, and two failed attempt at mediation ('''which requires all parties to agree''' - something that is not always possible)". This is partly why I am confused as to why MedCom rejected the request, because earlier this year, MedCom ratified a new policy removing the unanimous acceptance required. It doesn't change what's happening at RFAR of course, but I thought I should just point it out. Regards, <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 23:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Does that mean the case should have been heard at mediation? That's interesting. Though changes do take a while before everyone is aware. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 00:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::I think it should have been, hence my comments urging that mediation is attempted first. I'll mediate it anyways regardless of what ArbCom decides. The motion is to ask the community to set up an RFC. I'm not sure if that will be done in a hurry by anyone (due to the nature of the subject area) and this dispute can't be left to fester. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 01:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::As you know, I'm not in favour of the motion for an ArbCom RfC; however, now that it is here, we'll have to let it happen and give it our support. If you set up an alternative mediation, there may be a problem with those participants who are not in agreement with the outcome who then say they want the ArbCom RfC instead. It would help if you offered to close the RfC - I believe the clerks are wanting to close the motion, but are waiting on the Committee to name the three admins. With your experience in dispute resolution, it may even be helpful if you offered to set up the RfC. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 13:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::I would be happy to be a closer of the RFC - if the solutions that I suggest aren't taken on, I'm not one to storm off in a huff. I'd rather be a part of the solution. That said, if one of the requirements was to be an admin, then I am obviously ineligible. I do think I'm a decent judge of consensus and policy, fwiw. As for setting up the RFC, that I could do in theory, but it would need to be clearly defined, which at present it is not, which brings me back to my point about doing some mediation first. So, I'd be happy to be a closer, but I think with all my fellowship duties and ongoing dispute resolution work, setting up the process is something I may have to pass on. Regards, <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 14:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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Is there a reason you're not an admin? I'm not aware of any (recent) issues or problems regarding you, so I'd be quite happy to nominate you. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 15:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Steven_Zhang My Novmber 2011] RFA explains it (And you opposed (I'm not judging) - so I thought you'd be aware). Lack of heavy content contributions and I had only been editing for six months. Plus the whole being banned in 2008 thing. While I've done a lot of DR stuff since then, I don't think it'd be enough,and that's why I haven't put my hat in the ring. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 15:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:You think I could still be an RFC closer anyways? <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 20:43, 24 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I have a very bad memory for user names - I tend to research if I need to know something about a user's character and conduct. Most of the time I respond to what a user says or does rather than who the user is - though there are exceptions to this, as some users are more notable than others, and come with their own baggage - negative or positive. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 20:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Ah, you forgot my background? Does that mean you've changed your mind (and is that a no about the RFC.) <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 21:24, 25 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::No, that RfA was over a year ago, and my awareness of your recent work is that it is solid, and you are showing an impressive dedication to the project. My main objection in that RfA was in regards to your lack of experience which is no longer true. I did say I would support if you put in six months of good work - my understanding is that you have done this. I'll take a look over your contributions, and if you are comfortable with the idea, nominate you at RfA. It can be helpful in dispute resolution to have some of the admin tools - such as being able to protect a page. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 08:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::I fear that while the work I've done in dispute resolution has been solid, it won't be enough to pass an RFA. I've done some content since the last RFA, but you know what RFA is like. I agree that having the tools would come in useful for me, definitely. It would also give me more flexibility to close discussions, which I think I am good at due to my understanding of policy. (On that note, is that a no about the Jerusalem RFC? I know i mentioned it a few times but i thought you might have missed it.) <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 08:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC) |
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As the motion does not specify admins, I've put your name forward on the Committee email list. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 08:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:Okey doke. For what it's worth, some time ago I decided that I'd only run again if a functionary nominated me out of the blue, and, well, you do fit that criteria. I did also decide though that I wouldn't run while I am a fellow (but that only has a few weeks to go). Could you have a look over my contrive and let me know when you think is a suitable time to run for RfA (and if there are things I should work on before then?) Thanks again, <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 11:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::I'll take a look and give you my honest opinion of your contributions, and bring up any issues I see. I will probably do this when I get back to the UK early in January. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 11:56, 27 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::As regards helping out on the RfC, the consensus of the Committee is that you are too involved to be a closer as you have already expressed opinions on the motion page and to individual Committee members. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 09:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Eh, I disagree - expressing an opinion on the method to use to resolve a dispute is different to expressing an opinion on the topic area and I am still uninvolved in that regard, but whatever I guess. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Steven Zhang|<font color="#078330">Steven</font>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<font color="#2875b0">Zhang</font>]] <sup>[[WP:DRN|<font color="#d67f0f">Help resolve disputes!</font>]]</sup></font> 09:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Happy Holidays == |
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Some Christmas traditions are very difficult to explain. Kind of like Wikipedia policies. </br></br> |
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Wishing you and yours a joyous holiday season, and happiness, health and hopefulness in 2013. I trust you'll enjoy this little token, a favourite performance of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_QoSg9HT7w ''Baby, it's Cold Outside''], for your holiday amusement. For those of a more traditional inclination, I offer this rendition of my favourite [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n036kBC1HEw carol]. </br> Best, [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 15:35, 25 December 2012 (UTC) </br></br></br></div> |
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:Thanks. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 20:39, 25 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== The Troubles == |
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See the pointed questions about petrified wood and other things that show zero growth at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#lough neagh]]. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 23:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:The revert you mention is a clear violation of the unblock conditions. I shall impose a 24 hour block. Please refer any other violations you become aware of to AE for discussion and sanction. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 23:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC) |
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== Just to let you know == |
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Hi SilkTork, |
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Just wanted to let you know that the shortcut [[wp: Brands]] now redirects to the WikiProject Brands. Hope this does not cause a problem. For more see: [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Brands#BRANDS_or_Brands.3F]] Happy new year. [[User:Ottawahitech|Ottawahitech]] ([[User talk:Ottawahitech|talk]]) 13:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC) |
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:That seems fine. Thanks for letting me know. '''[[User:SilkTork|<span style="color:purple; font-family: Segoe Script">SilkTork</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:SilkTork|<font color="#347C2C"><sup>✔Tea time</sup></font>]]''' 14:50, 1 January 2013 (UTC) |
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==My conduct== |
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So where shall we start? Might be good to start with "Other people" - I have an idea what you mean what you think of my conduct. Presumably, specifically, what you think is ''bad'' about my conduct. If you would care to enumerate these items we can discuss them. Maybe you can enlighten me on what you think and why? I'm sure that if you can identify the problems we can speedily resolve them ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>16:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC).</small><br /> |
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Revision as of 20:36, 1 January 2013
I will listen to you, especially when we disagree.
Philip Larkin's women
Remember this discussion from back in August 2012 at Talk:Patsy Strang? Shall we go ahead? GiantSnowman 14:05, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. I'll take a look into that, though I may not have the time to do anything until I get back home. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
- Many thanks, happy Holidays. GiantSnowman 09:36, 27 December 2012 (UTC)