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== Re: Address restricted NRHP sites ==

I'm only doing this for ones that have been published elsewhere; if I have information about the site but nothing clear, I'll either put just some vague information or nothing at all. It's purely a matter of repeating what's already out there; if I can find this information when I'm hundreds of miles away, local vandals can get it that way too, while they can also find sites by asking around (e.g. word-of-mouth), so it's not particularly an issue. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 04:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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List of regional parks in Minnesota

Wow! Awsome! Thanks! I started that article and then I was like.. holy crap that's a lot of parks. Thank you so much! -Ravedave

Nice Work!

Thanks for the great work on Minnesota parks and everything. I especially like what you added to William O'Brien State Park. Keep it up! -the dharma bum 20:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You also did a nice job on John Latsch State Park, which was just a little stub before you expanded it. Would you like to join the Minnesota Wikiproject? Jonathunder 16:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coworker too

You've been busy! You want a little background on Franz Jevne State Park? I drove there with Franz's son Bob Jevne in 1998, after a visit we made to the Northwest Angle. He was about 80 years old. He was a retired librarian from the University of Minnesota who ate late lunches at St. Martin's Table, not far from Wilson Library, where he volunteered. That is where I met him. Franz Jevne was, if I remember right, the District Attorney of Koochiching County. He donated the land as a state park. Franz had acquired it, if I remember correctly, as payment for services. You may contact Bob Jevne's relatives. He died a couple of years ago. His nephew is a lawyer in Minneapolis, I believe. Mkitabu 03:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Updated DYK query On December 11, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Natural Bridge State Park (Wisconsin), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Mcghiever, and thank you for creating this interesting article, which GeeJo kindly nominated. In future, feel free to self-nominate, as the majority of our articles are self-nominated. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Minnesota state parks

In my wanderings around Minnesota wiki articles I came across some of yours on state parks, and discovered the breadth and depth of your contributions there. Outstanding work! It would be great to see one of them as a Featured Article. (FAs tend to be gargantuan in size; it would be nice to see one that merely says what it needs to say, and stops-- as do your articles on Minnesota parks.)

And if you feel so inclined and time permits, you may want to have a look at some of the articles being created or expanded on features in the Arrowhead region. Here are a few: Boundary Waters, Boundary Waters Canoe Area, North Shore (Lake Superior), Superior National Forest, Grand Portage National Monument, Duluth Complex, Sawtooth Mountains, Misquah Hills, Eagle Mountain (Minnesota), Moose Mountain (Minnesota); Palisade Head, Height of Land Portage. Any input or criticism would be appreciated. Kablammo 15:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does the book you have say anything about former parks? I am trying to compile a list but there doesn't seem to be much info on the web.-Ravedave 00:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm trying to get List of Minnesota state parks to featured status, all I need is for people to review the facts about the parks. I made a work list of parks split into groups of 7 on the talk page, any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Ravedave 04:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mcghiever. I have recently expanded this article but it could use a little fleshing out, particularly for the creation and more recent history of the park, and its amenities. I don't have any more specific resources available to me other than the somewhat skimpy park website. If you wish to contribute please feel free. The article has now been expanded five-fold and therefore could be a candidate for WP:DYK, but could use more sourced history and text on the park itself. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 01:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar

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For all of your hard work on Wisconsin State Park articles, I hereby award you the WikiProject Wisconsin barnstar. Thank you for working on these necessary articles! Royalbroil 05:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you're taking article requests, I have photographs of Hartman's Creek State Park, Harrington Beach State Park, Long Lake State Park, and Kohler Andrae State Park. Some of these can be found at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:State_parks_of_Wisconsin. Royalbroil 06:07, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minnesota state waysides

By statute I count 13: Minn. Stat. § 85.013. I'll look further but there does not appear to be specific page on the DNR site for waysides. Kablammo (talk) 00:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found a bare list, which has only 6. [1]. Kablammo (talk) 01:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC) And 8 here: [2]. What's going on? Kablammo (talk) 01:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The count of 13 includes 5 units of the Minnesota Valley State Recreation Area, which was created as a series of waysides along a state trail. The count of 6 leaves off Sam Brown and Devils Track Falls, I'm guessing because they are de facto managed by other agencies (the city of Browns Valley and Superior National Forest, respectively), so the DNR doesn't claim much responsibility for them. However I find no evidence that they've been officially degazetted.McGhiever (talk) 01:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that clarification. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 01:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A slight expansion?

Very nice work.

I nominated it for DYK;[3] I hope that is OK. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 12:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Updated DYK query On 14 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Interstate Park, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Rock Island State Park (Wisconsin)

Why do you think that all the External links that you removed from the page on 27 June 2008 were linkspam? For example, what is so bad about High-resolution photos of the park? I thought they were useful, because they gave a good idea about the way the park looks... --Galina ovt 15 November 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

You recently asked me about a link I removed from Rock Island State Park (Wisconsin). Certainly they are very nice pictures. Please look over Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. In articles about scenic parts of the world, there is an understandable temptation to make links to pictures. However this is not the purpose of Wikipedia. In general, external links in articles should only go to official websites and sites that further the encyclopedic content of that article. External links should not replace a simple search in Google or Flickr. If you have your own pictures to upload, please look into contributing to Wikimedia Commons. I hope this helps to explain my action. Happy editing! McGhiever (talk) 20:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Split Rock Lighthouse State Park

Great job expanding this. It went from a one-paragraph stub to a solid and well-written article in one edit. Did you plan to nominate this for DYK? I believe it qualifies. Jonathunder (talk) 20:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated this. I hope you don't mind. Jonathunder (talk) 14:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I moved the nomination from Dec. 31 to Dec. 30. The 30th is the day that it was expanded. Very, very nice work. Dincher (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Split Rock Lighthouse State Park

Updated DYK query On January 8, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Split Rock Lighthouse State Park, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on the DYK. Again, very, very nice work. Dincher (talk) 12:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Judge C. R. Magney State Park

Could you modify the citations to Green's book in this article? Forgive me if I'm telling you what you already know, but we really need page numbers in the citations; if you want to continue using the ref name feature, you can use {{rp}} after a reference to cite the page numbers. If you're not familiar with this system, you can find an example of its use at Mummy Cave. Thanks for the work on this article; I'm quite impressed with it, especially regarding the waterfall. Nyttend (talk) 02:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Updated DYK query On April 16, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Judge C. R. Magney State Park, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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When you photographed the park, did you happen to take a photograph of the Frank Lloyd Wright house inside the park called Seth Peterson Cottage? Royalbroil 12:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I only learned about the cottage after my visit. McGhiever (talk) 03:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


New meetup

  In the area? You're invited to the
   May 2018 Minnesota User Group Meeting
  Date: 20 November 2010
  Time: 1:00-3:30
(click here for full agenda)
R.S.V.P. by Nov. 17 for free lunch + parking
  Place: Minnesota History Center
345 Kellogg Blvd, St. Paul, Minnesota
44°57′00″N 93°06′20″W / 44.95°N 93.1055°W / 44.95; -93.1055
  
Hi, Mcghiever, it was great to see you at today's meetup. Yes, it will be interesting to discuss ways to collaborate with St. Paul Public Library. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 00:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion requested on the use of SHPO sources

As you were at the meet-up at the Minnesota History Center, and an active member of the Minnesota WikiProject, I would like to ask you to please come and share your opinion on the use of certain sources that were found at the State Historic Preservation Office and whether or not they violate WP:RS or WP:OR in how they are being used. The discussion is taking place here. --Bobak (talk) 20:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great to see you at the Wikipedia Tenth Anniversary Meet-up

Hi, Mcghiever,

It was good to see you again at the tenth anniversary meet-up. I'm always curious about how to encourage wikipedians to source articles better, so I'll have to discuss with you library collaboration with editors to bring about better sourcing. I currently have from our state's two largest academic library collections more than 200 books to read for one or another of the source lists I share with our fellow wikipedians. Your suggestions for formatting or updating those from your professional perspective would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to looking up your articles each time my family travels around the state, the better to know the state park system and other things to see in Minnesota. Keep up the good work. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 22:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Mexico State Parks

Nice work! I created a bunch of New Mexico State Park stubs and I've been watching you expand on them. Martylunsford (talk) 04:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Lake Ahquabi State Park

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Infobox problem

Hi McGhiever! I appreciate your great work adding infoboxes and other improvements to the Utah state park articles. There's a minor problem with the East Canyon box though. It looks like you cut-and-pasted the box from the Deer Creek Reservoir article, and didn't update everything. I fixed most of it, but the push-pin map still shows a place in Wasatch County instead of Morgan County, where East Canyon is located. I have no idea how to fix that. Little help? Thanks! GreenGlass(talk) 04:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for catching my mistake. I've corrected it. Let me share a great tool for finding coordinates: Find latitude and longitude with Google Maps. The only catch is that site calculates decimal degrees. For degrees, minutes, and seconds you need to copy and paste into a conversion calculator like this one. Both sites are linked on my user page. --McGhiever (talk) 05:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome - thanks! Those links help quite a bit! GreenGlass(talk) 19:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cedar Rock or Lowell Walter Residence

Hi, Mcghiever! I left a note on the talk page of Cedar Rock State Park, expressing my appreciation for your improvements but noting my dissatisfaction with the new lead sentence. I hope we can think this through. Thanks!
--Frankie Rae (talk) 02:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just combined the first two sentences, so hopefully more of the salient bits feel included in the opening line. Anyone is welcome to fine-tune the wording, and I will happily participate in building consensus here on the talk page. WP:LEADSENTENCE has some stylistic tips. I would simply advocate that the first words of the article should reflect the title. I agree that the phrasing I used initially wasn't very descriptive. I was just trying to rectify the disconnect where the article began with a name in bold that was completely different from the title, which would be confusing to a reader linking in from elsewhere. How does the expanded first sentence sit with folks? --McGhiever (talk) 05:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That works. Thanks, McGhiever!
--Frankie Rae (talk) 15:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dynamic map

Hi! I was wondering how you created the dynamic map for state parks of Iowa, Template:State parks of Iowa map? Did you use a tool or make the points manually? Thanks Michael miceli (talk) 01:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, the x and y coordinates of each site need to be entered manually through trial-and-error. I rely heavily on MapQuest for this process, since it shows county borders (unlike Google Maps). Be aware that Internet Explorer and Firefox display the dots slightly offset, so they'll wind up being slightly off in one browser or another. Be sure you've specified the dimensions you want for the map (in pixels, on the very last line of the template) before you start. I aspire to go through and create these maps for each state, so I would be happy to work on Louisiana next. If you or others want to tackle it yourselves, though, it would save me some work! Please let me know if I can help. --McGhiever (talk) 04:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! Sorry, I didn't see this response, because I was expecting it on my discussion page. No worries though, I used the GIMP. You are right about google maps with no parish (county) boarders. That was difficult as it seems almost every state park is on the boarder of a parish. Thanks for the kudos on the list of louisiana state parks article. I'm still working on obtaining images of every park in LA. Then I'm going to work on the history. Thanks for your support and amazing work on Minnesota State parks. Is there a standard for the infoboxes, because I notice you use Geobox|Protected area For Louisiana I've been using Infobox protected area. Thanks againMichael miceli (talk) 03:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Red Rock State Park, thanks

Thanks for expanding the stub into a real article! That one's been on my "do sometime" list for awhile. Nice place. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Nevada state parks

Would have been nice if you had included a picture column. But otherwise looks good. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, thanks for the backhanded compliment. -McGhiever (talk)

Austin Creek State Recreation Area

Thanks for the upgrade! —Stepheng3 (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Children welcome at Wikipedia Loves Libraries meet-up?

Hi, Mcghiever,

My son happened to notice the announcement about Wikipedia Loves Libraries when he was looking something up, and that alerted me to the next meet-up. Would my two preteen-age children be allowed to attend the meet-up? They both use Wikipedia a lot, and libraries a lot, and I am trying to acquaint them with the world of research. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! Libraries are pretty strong advocates of all-ages learning. -McGhiever (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WLL

Hi Mcghiever! Thanks for putting together the Wikipedia Loves Library event in MN. It'd be grand to have a report about it (no matter how short or long) for This Month in GLAM. I do hope you or another attendee can provide a description of how the event went, outcomes and perhaps images (with links to any Wiki space). Please visit here and contribute if you can. It can be in the main features or the briefly section. Thanks again for coordinating the event and for contributing to Wikipedia :) SarahStierch (talk) 20:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Real Life Barnstar
Hi Mcghiever! I just wanted to drop by with this real life barnstar and say thank you for your contributions and participation in GLAMcamp DC! i can't wait to see what happens next, and what we can make happen in MN! SarahStierch (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bear Head Lake State Park

I am happy to review Bear Head Lake State Park for you. I will be out of town for the next two days. Could you send me a reminder on Thursday. I should be able to do it Thursday night. Gerry D (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to you, I became familiar with a new term today--redirect. But only in a general way, and not in the specific sense of how it could have affected the Farragut State Park article. So, perhaps you might favor me with a short primer on the subject? Obviously, navigating the Wikipedia is not yet one of my strengths. Though I do hope to remedy this deficiency as time goes on. Pendright (talk) 21:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

Thank you so much for your prompt and understandable reply. I’m fine in either case. For my part, I think your logic is sound, and I intend to follow it in the future. Pendright (talk) 23:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bear Head Lake State Park

In case you have not noticed, I have reviewed Bear Head Lake State Park and placed the article on hold. Please see Talk:Bear Head Lake State Park/GA1. Arsenikk (talk) 07:36, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Authority Control Integration

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DYK for Jug Handle State Natural Reserve

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Wiki loves libraries

I was wondering if you were interested in organising another Wiki Loves Libraries event: they are supposed to be in October or November this year, so I hope it's not too late. The folks at Minneapolis's Special Collections (who organised the editathon earlier this year) were also interested in hosting more Wikipedia events, so I'll contact them as well. Perhaps we could use the event to reach out to other librarians etc as well as Wikipedians (as discussed at events over the last two years), any thoughts on doing this and getting people to come? —innotata 22:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you make the event (November 3)? And would you be able to talk a little at the start about editing Wikipedia? I threw this out as an idea (I expected you'd be interested particularly), but it's on the library description of the event now (we'll work out something, though I guess).—innotata 02:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I absolutely plan to be there, and I'd love to present to the group. -McGhiever (talk) 00:19, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, you'll be doing this? I'll let the Special Collections people know then, and if you don't have their emails and want to talk I can email them to you. —innotata 17:26, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello McG-- I have dabbled in this article, and added a cite. The relevant pages of the Gilman book are available at Google books. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Buffalo River State Park (Minnesota)

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DYK for Buffalo River State Park (Minnesota)

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Assistance with Wikipedia workshop?

I've been talking with Gobonobo a bit about a Wikipedia editing workshop I'd like to hold in St. Paul, MN at some point this spring; it would be for the Library and Information Science Program at St. Catherine University. He suggested you might be willing to help out as well. I see you actually work in a library setting too — your perspective as someone familiar with both LIS and Wikipedia would be wonderful! Could you respond here or drop me a line at njsteffel [at] stkate [dot] edu to let me know if you would be interested? Thanks!

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Re: MIA NRHPs in MN

I know I replied on my own talk page, but I wanted to add another quick question: can I comment on some of your listings on User:Mcghiever/NRHP or its talk page? I thought that might make for useful collaboration. For example: I made it over to SHPO today and confirmed now, 100%, that the Farmers Cooperative Mercantile Company of West Stanford in Isanti County is gone. The NRHP guy over there said they have a list of at least a dozen structures that have been confirmed demolished (or moved to the point they're disqualified) that they still need to pass on to the National Park Service. I wanted to confirm the Richardson Barn in Anoka, but the file was out (argh)--which makes me suspicious that they also know it's gone. There's a different guy in SHPO who had a database where they note if they are aware of a missing NRHP building but their network was down when I visited...double-argh :-) I just thought what you've done is very useful and might be great for collaboration since you, Elkman, Jonathunder and me (and anyone else I'm missing) seem to do most of the photos. --Bobak (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just reexamined your list: I can confirm, 100% using the SHPO files, that Bridge No. 5388 in Meeker County is gone (or at least the NRHP-related parts were moved), the Jacob Hebeisen House in Carver County is gone, the Alberville Roller Mill in Wright County is gone. I've tipped the state NRHP to those as well as the two I mentioned earlier. --Bobak (talk) 04:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi McGhiever, I just wanted to say again how awesome your User:Mcghiever/NRHP is for gathering and tracking information. I hope you don't mind how much I've been exploiting it--For some reason the travel bug really has me right now so I've been doing a lot of driving. --Bobak (talk) 20:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Address restricted NRHP sites

I'm only doing this for ones that have been published elsewhere; if I have information about the site but nothing clear, I'll either put just some vague information or nothing at all. It's purely a matter of repeating what's already out there; if I can find this information when I'm hundreds of miles away, local vandals can get it that way too, while they can also find sites by asking around (e.g. word-of-mouth), so it's not particularly an issue. Nyttend (talk) 04:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]