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DYK for Baklahorani

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Mail

Hello Alexi! You have mail. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 10:43, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

This photo archive is also quite valuable. I don't know what the story is on its copyright, though. Constantine ✍ 11:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes indeed. Some BW period pics are quite good to be added immediately.Alexikoua (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Georgios Stavros

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AA list

Thank you.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I think I became immune to such activities. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:26, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Battle of Himara

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Јањина

Hi,

Will you please be so kind to keep your eye on my editing of Ottoman Ioannina related articles, like Ioannina Eyalet and Pashalik of Yanina. Thanks.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, here is discussion about it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Himara

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Who changed the title?

Do you know which editor changed the title of Istanbul Pogrom to Isanbul Riots? Or how can we find out? Thanks Politis (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

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Souliotes

Καλησπέρα, μιλάς Ελληνικά πρόσεξα. Σχετικά με το άρθρο Souliotes και τη διαφωνία σου, έκανα μια καλή προσπάθεια για καλύτερη μεταχείριση του άρθρου με τον πρέποντα σεβασμό που αρμόζει σε Ηρωες της Ελλάδας. Μερικοί από αυτούς ήταν και οι Σουλιώτες. Μ΄αυτή την κίνησή μου αποφέχθηκε να υπάρχει ο χαρακτηρισμός αλβανοί στις κατηγορίες. Γιατί έγινε η αναστροφή από πλευρά σου, όταν και το άρθρο Αρβανίτες (- Arvanites) ακολουθεί την ίδια πολιτική; Οι κατηγορίες Category:Greek War of Independence Category:Greek revolutionaries Category:Greek people Category:Ottoman Epirus μεταφέρονται στην κατηγορία -C:Souliotes- και έτσι δεν υπάρχει κανένα ζήτημα διαμάχης. Αν ακόμη επιμένεις στην επεξεργασία σου θέλω και μία αξιοπρεπή δικαιολογία από μεριά σου. --Tsaousvastic (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Agkistro

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A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
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DYK nomination of Ioannis Velissariou

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London conference

Hi Alexikoua,

It is nice to hear from you again. Albanian POV was present before my edit you pointed at. There were three main reasons of this edit of mine:

1. to distinct the Principality of Albania created in July 1913 from Albania which was proclaimed on 28. November 1912
2. to clarify that it was not 40 but 30% of Albanian population left out of the newly established principality
3. to distinct Kosovo Vilayet from Kosovo

I, of course, don't object to your removal of the excess of Albanian POV.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ioannis Velissariou

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Black and Red Alliance

Thanks for finding that reference. That's actually what I should have tried to do; WP people's opinions aren't relevant, just what reliable sources say. I expect the other editors to push back based on what the leader said, but the independent sources always trump self-descriptions in cases like this. Thanks! Qwyrxian (talk) 21:48, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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October 1915

In May 1914, the Great Powers signed the Protocol of Corfu, which recognized the area as Greek, after which it was occupied by the Greek army from October 1914 until October 1915 ... and collapsed under the Italian invasion of 1915 i.e. please stick to the sources. --— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 11:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

A mountain of specialist WWI bibliography disagrees on that, for example: [[1]][[2]][[3]][[4]], placing the Italian advance one year laterAlexikoua (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

That's still 1916 though, which makes the caption accurate.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 15:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

To be precise that's from October 1916.Alexikoua (talk) 18:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

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Thank you

Thank you for very nice barnstar.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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Αλυτρωτική συμπεριφορά - No needed analysις of a name into another Greek article

• αναστροφή και άσχετη ανάλυση υπέρ της τουρκίας
• Καλησπέρα φίλε μπορείς να επέμβεις και να διορθώσεις μια κατάφορη παραβίαση των κανόνων της εγκυκλοπαίδειας παρακαλώ Ο συγκεκριμένος χρήστης έχοντας την ανοχή του παλαιού χρήστη συνεχίζει να αναλύει το όνομα του επταπυργίου σε ένα άσχετο άρθρο παραβαίνοντας το w.p., προφανώς είναι αλυτρωτική τουρκολαγνική συμπεριφορά. Περιμένω κάποια αντινμετώπισή σου. Ευχαριστώ --Πασχαλινό (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Tenedos Change of my content

You reversed my content that the Kanaris attack off of Tenedos damaged a ship, but not the flagship and reasserted that it was the flagship which was destroyed. Multiple historical sources show that the Flagship was left unharmed, while Kanaris destroyed one of the other ships (intentionally). From Robert Vaughn's detailed history (available here, pg. 456): "On the 10th of November, the war was illustrated by another brilliant exploit of Kanaris. The Ottoman fleet was riding anchor between Tenedos and the Troad. Two line-of-battle ships were anchored windward of the rest of the fleet. Kanaris steered a fire-ship right on the windward quarter. The sails of the fire-ship were nailed to the mast and steeped in turpentine. The Greek hero performed his task with his usual coolness and perfect contempt of danger. He scarcely had time to jump into little boat and row off, ere the flames burned up higher than the maintop of the seventy-four. The crew leaped into the sea and most were drowned, as they were far from the shore. The huge vessel blazed up, and the magazine exploded, killing, it is said, eight hundred men. The companion of Kanaris, who, in a sister fire-ship, undertook the destruction of the flag-ship, failed in his enterprise, and the fire-ship burned harmlessly." This provides far better and more substantive details than the Werke source you link (which is a brief mention). Also, the information in Vaughn's history is supported in other works, see here and here (and others).

I will again change the context to properly reflect the historical accuracy that a brave attack destroyed an Ottoman ship, but not the flagship. The Tenedos Talk page has a section about this attack, if you have other sources you would like to convince editors to reestablish the 'flagship' contention, please post them there. Thank you. AbstractIllusions (talk) 01:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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All cool

Your petition on my talk page is replied there, although you forgot to sign (and ratify :-) it... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 22:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Barnstars of wikiproject Greece

− Speaking of flags, Aleksi (we shared the same detention cell, I guess I may call you with a short name) can I kindly ask you, out of curiosity, why you have 3 Greek flags in your User Page? I mean I understand if you like a flag and want to display it on your User Page it is OK, although I personally would not do that on mine, or if you feel you have two "patrias" (like Greece and RoC or Turkey and TRNC) and you display the two flags, it's also all right, but displaying 3 of the same old Greek flag on one page... Is there any intricate reason, if not too personal? (BTW happy you got us blocked both? If you wish reply on my TP not to disturb others.) --E4024 (talk) 12:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

(The above was on an article TP but removed. Indeed I should have written here (or it should have been moved here.) Whatever... --E4024 (talk) 13:04, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

In wikipedia these are called wp:barnstars and ribbons and most of them are not related to wproject:Greece. Veteran editors tend to keep them somewhere, it reminds them of their constructive cooperation they had in past with coeditors from various national backgrounds.

By the way the Greek flag has nine stripes.Alexikoua (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I hope you will also receive some of the same for your constructive cooperation on wproject:Turkey in the future... --E4024 (talk) 06:30, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Reorg of the early Greek history part in Ancient Tenedos

Yes, some reorg is needed there. It jumps around. Churn and change (talk) 21:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Tenedos: Aeolian migration in Bronze/Iron age

See talk page of the article. There is an RS talking of the current state of archaeological evidence on the theory, and, in fact, a lengthy description of the theory itself. I have posted a link there to the article, but will have to remove it in a day or two. Churn and change (talk) 00:31, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

From Greek to English WP.

What is the appropriate tag for an article in english that is based mostly on another of the Greek WP?--Euzen (talk) 09:58, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Iw-refAlexikoua (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for The Free Besieged

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Pie Chart on "Great Fire of Smyrna" and "Izmir" page

Alexikoua, I am writing to appeal to you to fix a problematic pie chart on Great Fire of Smyrna and Izmir pages. You know the pie chart because it has been contentious recently. I have no opinion about whether a pie chart belongs on the pages or not and will leave that up to interested editors. My problem is its attribution to Katherine Fleming's great book. If I go to Fleming's book and look up the cited page, the only thing I get that tells me anything is this: "Before the mass arrival of the refugees, there were about 150,000 Greeks living in the city, almost half its total population." (pg. 81) (Note: this also conflicts with the other claims attributed to Fleming in the articles like "For instance, according to Fleming Katherine Elizabeth, the Greek element in Smyrna formed the majority of the population, outnumbering the Turkish by a ratio of two to one", this isn't what she says. Also her claim is 1918 not 1922, but that's an easy mistake) The footnote for this claim similarly provides no data which could be used for the pie chart. If I look at the other pages mentioning Izmir or Smyrna in her book (I have the actual book, not just the limited version on Google Books), I get nothing even close to the numbers in the chart. The attribution to Fleming's book for the chart is not accurate, she provides none of the numbers at all for the pie chart. I am writing to you because you have indicated in the edit history that there are other sources for these claims. Great. Please fix the attribution on the pages with a source providing the actual numbers in the chart, because it ain't Fleming's book. Thank you for your time. AbstractIllusions (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll check this one carefully. Although the majority of sources give a clear Greek majority, precise numbers maybe not so clear.Alexikoua (talk) 21:57, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

"the majority of sources give a clear Greek majority" Absolutely, this claim is right (although another tricky point will be discerning population of Smyrna from population of Zone of Smyrna--See Toynbee for this claim). My problem is only with the incorrect attribution and not with the claim at all. AbstractIllusions (talk) 22:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Allow me if I may. There is no contradiction between the pie chart and the information in Flemming. If you read page 81 carefully, in one sentence she says that Greeks in Smyrna outnumbered Turks by a ratio of 2 to 1 (as in "Smyrna on the coast", not just "the coast"), and in the next immediate sentence she says that the city's 150,000 Greeks formed just under half of the city's population. Thus, the pie chart reflects this accurately: Greeks slightly under half, Turks half of that, and the rest goes to "others". While Flemming doesn't give precise percentages, the pie chart is an accurate visualization of the spirit of what she writes. I'm also pretty sures she means the period 1921-1922, not 1918, nor do I see anywhere that she says that the Greeks were the majority (if the article says that, that is another matter). But the pie chart is fully in agreement with those two sentences in Fleming. Also, she only mentions Smyrna a handful of times in her book, I don't see any internal contradictions regarding the demographics. I did amend the chart because estimates for the other groups in Smyrna are not to be found, so I lumped them all under "others", rather than give precise percentages for each. Athenean (talk) 09:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

No one ever said there was a contradiction between Fleming and the pie chart. What I said was that the information in the pie chart doesn't come from Fleming. The pie chart invents numbers to be "almost half" and then halves that for the "2-1" ratio (both are vague terms that are not directly quantified), and then invents a number for other (which she never quantifies and then invents who those others are even though the only ones mentioned in Fleming are Jews and Armenians). The pie chart, based on Fleming's two sentences, could just as legitimately be 48G, 24T, 28 other, or 44 G, 22 T, 34 other, or even 49.9G, 24.95 T, 25. 15 others. All of those are almost half and 2-1. The pie chart's numbers are fine, the attribution of a sentence to Fleming is fine. The attribution of the pie chart to Fleming is not correct. The pie chart may be consistent and not contradictory with Fleming's statement, but that isn't the point: Fleming provides none of the numbers that are in the pie chart. Finally, her sources for those claims are from 1918, not 1922 even if that is where she discusses them in the narrative timeline. She never says 1922, it is inferred based on context but certainly we can agree that a source from 1918 can't say what the demographics are for 1922. Please find another source for the pie chart, Fleming ain't it. Thank you. AbstractIllusions (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with sourcing the pie chart to Flemming, and no, I'm not going to look for other sources (if Alexikoua chooses to, that's fine). You are seriously nitpicking here. Whether we use 49 G, 24 T and 27 other, or 48G, 24T, and 28 other, or whatever, the presise percentages don't matter. Pie charts are only meant to provide a broad visualization of the data, and this one does exactly that. Even if the exact percentages were slightly different, the pie chart would look pretty much the same. I modified the caption to say "approximate", I think that should do it. Have a nice day. Athenean (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, can you stop stating that the albanian-pelasgian theory is seen as obsolete by modern schoolars. Only one book states that, whilst sources of modern studies and reserches have been added that still keep this theory alive. thank you mr,nationalist.

Paisios

I noticed you deleted from Elder Paisios the links showing Golden Dawn instigations, and a link showing Golden Dawn member taking an arrested religious rioter from the police van and setting him free (with mainstream media links) i respect your oppinion but please provide links for it.

msymeonakis (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

You are welcomed to make comments in the relevant talkpage.Alexikoua (talk) 18:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

By the way this event doesn't reveal ties between the police and G.Down, that's the reason why it was deleted. Off course it's relevant in the article of the organization but irrelevant with the 'Hellenic Police' article.Alexikoua (talk) 18:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually not, since the link provided by newspaper "ta Nea" is pretty clear about both hellenic police stance at at Xytirio as well as G. Down, all i do is cite the news, you can allways cite different mainsream media instead of deleting existing links. Concernig BLP on elder Paisios here is the wikipedia text pls read it "Contentious material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced (on the page is the televised interview of elder Pastitsios citing his name)—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". what is so difficult to understand? I'd Like to add that your concensus was asked... and had no answer on it by your part, just deletion (in one case for irrelevant wheight and later for BLP... decide so we can proceed). Thank you.msymeonakis (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok about the Xytirio case in general, although this should be reworded somewhat since only a small part in Police seems to have unofficially ties with the organization. About the Paististios case, I see there is a discussion in wp:blpn.Alexikoua (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

About deleting links

Hi, we meet again, I'd like to point out, that IOS press is not a partisan newspaper but part of Eleytherotypia of Sunday, one of the biggest Greek newspapers for over 35 years. Between these pages in the same dates the newspaper featured also pages of the New York Times and Monde Diplomatique. If unsure check with ESYEA the Greek Reporters Union.

The "Controversy" section is disputed and there is a talk page on it...

Thank you.msymeonakis (talk) 03:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gregory Orologas

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DYK for Ambrosios Pleianthidis

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Metropolises

Hello Alexi! I am looking through the articles now, making mostly minor tweaks. However, on Smyrna, two things: the role of the Church as part of the millet system ought to be stated, plus you might want to check your e-mail. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 08:18, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot: the Catholic Encyclopedia has some good info on the early Christian sees for most ancient Greek cities, cf. Philadelphia. Constantine ✍ 09:01, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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Dal(i)ani(s)

Please don't attribute ethnic connotations and create any disruption. The author, to whom you're trying to attribute your modern POV is hardly trying to make any such national distinction but rather focuses on his supranational view of the character in the context of his participation in the war regardless of ethnic origins and other such issues that would only matter in a modern nationalist dispute. That is probably why he only mentions his possible birthplaces as Greek-speaking and Albanian-speaking. I'm not attributing any ethnic origins either as the source doesn't consider that important and even the monograph about him doesn't focus on that issue. Btw as you many times tend to make distinctions that in that period would be at the very least be considered strange among people of the same religion I would suggest you read Fotakos and other primary sources that do mention this character and also Fotiadis among the secondary ones. Not everyone has to be defined by a modern, nationally crystallized identity.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 23:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Disruption? I don't thnik so. Actually the source you choose to add about his possible origin from Permet states it clear that although from an Albanian speaking village he is ethnic Greek. Also, can you explain why a non-existent Albanian alt. name in English bibliography should be added in the lead? I'm afraid that the pov and source misresrepesentation issue doesn't apply to me.Alexikoua (talk) 12:46, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

There's hardly an established name in English-language bibliography about the person and the source doesn't say anything about ethnicity, ethnic origins etc. The Greek-speaking and Albanian-speaking are the only distinctly relevant markers of the aspect of identity. After that he just goes on to praise him for his participation in the war and supporting his fellow Christians in Lebanon, thus (in Ruchi's view) proving that he was a true "son of Greece regardless of his birthplace". I don't want to defer the issue of your interpretation of the sources to relevant boards and I'm not pushing for an ethnic identity angle, so please stick to the sources. Btw Ruches is one of your original sources, but you strangely avoided to mention half of his remarks.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I've added full quotes so any interpretation is left to the readers, who can decide for themselves without our subjective interpretations and attributions of interpretations.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 23:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Before we proceed in the interpretation of Ruches & Mammopoulos, I believe you need to full cite the "Lettres Albanaises" ref (author, journal etc.). Moreover, have you found any additional source besides Mammopoulos that supports Permeti as homeplace?Alexikoua (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, Ruchi considers Mammopoulos position to be the correct one, so he would count as an additional source supporting Delvinaq. I'll need to check Pango and Hotova/Priftis to get a more concise view, but merely attributing it as an alternative of one scholar doesn't seem like an accurate presentation given the commentary on it. Btw do you have any access to Fotiadis's work on '21?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 23:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Exactly that's Ruches' opinion, but we have additional authors that mention his birth place too. It's better to present all the available rs on the subject.Alexikoua (talk) 11:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for reviewing my DYK nomination. I appreciate it! Greengreengreenred 23:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Anatolian Metropolises dyk nomination

What I can do, which may help, is go through the articles in a couple of days and do a simple, blind copyedit. That is, I would just rephrase where I think there is a more direct way of putting it - a lot easier for me to do with fresh eyes than for you. That may well clear a lot of problematic areas. Then we can throw it over to another editor for review. The topics are interesting and certainly deserve articles, just that we have to be very careful when the main source is so close in scope. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Greece

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Partial revert

Why did you remove Gaius's sourced edits[5] regarding the Albanian population mostly boycotting the census in Serbia[6]? In the same edit you preserved the 2011 census (although there's no agreement to include it as such in the infobox but labeled your edit as "rv stable version", although just a few edits ago you rv the CIA Factbook data[7]) and added an OR estimation about Albanians being 350,000 in 2011 in RoM, but the source is the 2002 census, i.e. ~500,000. It'd be prudent to not add your OR and POV to articles, so please revert back to whatever the sources actually say.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 17:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I've reverted Medvegia's massive edit that created a mess in multiple parts in the infobox: including manipulation of the total number (from 7.2 to 7.5mil) although he has been kindly adviced in the past no to do so again, and changed the numbers in Danmark and Greece without providing the slightest explanations. Other parts like RoM, as you say, may be negotiable, but in general Med's edit equals vandalism and had to be reverted.Alexikoua (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

The only revertable parts of his last edit were the Denmark figures and the total number in Albania and that to the CIA Factbook part not the census one. The other parts were in line with the sources, so please revert the necessary parts per the sources without having to take this to ANI. In addition to these points do you mind explaining how you managed to get a result of 1,480,000 Albanians in Kosovo when out of ~1,740,000 about 1,640,000 declared themselves Albanians[8] while the CIA Factbook gives the total number at around 1,780,000?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 20:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

He manipulated also Greece + the multiple attempts to create a mess in the infobox. About Kosovo (1,680,000- 1,780,000) and RoM (509,083) the numbers have been reverted already back several hours before this discussion started. About Serbia didn't changed the number (5,809). Hopefully his semi-vandalistic activity, manipulating every possible number in several countries seems to have died down. You are free to go to ANI.Alexikoua (talk) 20:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

By the way what makes the RoM & Serbian censi more pov than the Albanian one? What I see is that the minorities decide to disagree and boycot the proccedure.Alexikoua (talk) 21:02, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, at the time I wrote the first post Longivoni hadn't corrected the figures. Medvegja was disruptive all in all, but you reverted wrong figures without checking them, because you prejudged his edits and assumed that he was repeating the same pattern. If you didn't prejudge him, I wouldn't have to explain the revert issue nor mention unsavory solutions like ANI.

• We have no figures regarding the 2011 RoM census as it wasn't even completed, because all representatives regardless of minority/majority status resigned from the census committe and accused their colleagues of promoting their own community. As for the Serbian census, it was a quite normal process. The media reports and the final publications of the statistical office of Serbia highlighted the issue of boycotting.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 21:18, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Maps

I was checking some of your maps and I noticed that you had included areas like Libohovë, Konispol and Markat as areas with "traditionally" other populations. Given that these are not such areas would you provide some RS that mention these regions or in the opposite case remove them from your map? Btw there's always WP:SILENCE in such issues after a given period of time. Since the relevant maps of other countries like Greece have stripes to note the issues of majority/minority would you agree with the introduction of the same style in your map too?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 15:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Stripes are ok to me, since there is no clear minority/majority status in any of there areas. By the way the areas you mention are included in the 'others' area, per correspodent sources (Le Mond Diplomatique etc.).Alexikoua (talk) 09:46, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

As regards the stripes I'll ask someone who is more adept (i.e. can handle the basics heh) at mapmaking before attempting to add them myself. I disagree with your assessment on the status of certain areas. We know that those three areas for example are exclusively Albanian/Albanian-speaking, while the opposite is true about Dropull (90%> Greek-speaking). I wouldn't use as a guideline general-interest works as after all that same map portrays Dropull as 30-50% Albanian. --— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 16:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The map just mentions traditional existence of various groups, whether 90%+ or 5%+ today, in the country, it doesn't go into detailed descriptions of each village or municipality.Alexikoua (talk) 01:17, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

To which period do you refer by "traditional existence"? The term "traditional" itself refers to a state that lasted for many centuries until the very recent past, thus it may not be the current state of affairs, but it did describe it in a more or less continuous manner 100-300 years ago or even further. So when did Markat and the other locations fit your "traditional existence" view?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 18:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Oh my god . why you are soo ? in Albania are 3 % greeks and you write that in lot of cities in albania are more than 90 % greeks .... thats so a big lie.--Albanianp (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

(unindent) Any source & answer you might have come up with since then?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 22:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Le Monde Diplomatique doesn't exclude this region from the "Fortes minorites Grec". On the other hand, apart from the stripes, the Aromanian regions should be extented in south-central Albania. Something I already did in the svg version of this map in commons.Alexikoua (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It's a generic map that doesn't specify regions as it also shows Dropull as to up to half Albanian (which couldn't be further from the reality) if you do assume that it does focus on areas. Of course instead of using misleading generic maps, wouldn't it best to use specific sources for each region? Of course, as you'll find plenty of sources mentioning Dropull as a Greek-speaking region or a Greek minority region etc., you won't find any that make the same claims about Konispol for example. I consider you familiar enough with the region to very well know the reality of Konispol/Markat etc. and PBDNJ also knows the reality of those regions because it has never placed any candidates in any of those communes. In the spirit of intellectual honesty please let this one go amiably, thus I'll remove them from the map.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 20:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

(unindent)Why should the Aromanian regions be extended? After all, there are no compact Aromanian regions but scattered villages, so wouldn't it be more appropriate and precise to locate those villages or groups of villages and place them correctly on the map? It's never prudent to over-rely on one specific source (even more so when it's not a specialist one).--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 20:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

When the map concerns the entire country, it's better to use the result of a countrywide research, like the result presented in Le Monde Diplomatique and off course this is in comparison to several maps created in wiki.

Aromanian concentration should be expanted per Thede Kahl. Also the election results isn't a good parameter to define traditional non-Albanian populations (for example Ksera is a Greek but he doesn't belong to the PBDNJ, but he is still elected in Dropull).Alexikoua (talk) 19:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I was referring to local elections candidates and it isn't prudent to insist on issues for which there are no sources even for the slightest support.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

The fact the Ksera is ethnic Greek and member of the DP, means that election results is not a good indicator of definining ethnic background in a region. Kahl's map [[9]].Alexikoua (talk) 21:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bangas Gymnasium

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George Tenet

Hello Alexikoua,

Okay we have a lot of source that he is Albanian and greek. Give me a reliable sources that he is ONLY greek and I let it.--Albanianp (talk) 14:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Albania: demographic section.

Alexikoua this is your second warning regarding your disruptions in Albanian's demographic section. You have continuously removed a full quoted source to rephrase it in accordance to your nationalistic views. Unfortunately, despite my many invitations for discussion in the talk page you have never answered but instead have continued with the hope that somehow you would impose your biased views. I am afraid such path leads only to an ever possible reporting (note that i am doing it by the book) and in a perpetual conflict. I would suggest you show restraint and objectivity.

Regarding the other sources you provide, they are welcomed. However, including more sources which assert similar views is no argument for removal of full quotes. Needless to say that full quotes are much better than rephrases which are prone to manipulations similar to yours. Please feel free to change course and discuss before additional disruptions. Purusbonum (talk) 10:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't thing that you initiated any kind of discussion in the talk page. Your last edit in talkpage was about an irrelevant topic (i.e. demographics numbers) at 20 Dec.. Can you please give a reason why Spahiu isn't an ultranationalist? By the way your version should be reverted per WP:COPYVIO, copy-pasting specific parts from the references is something should be avoided.Alexikoua (talk) 14:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Photos

Please don't include irrelevant photos in articles sections' (for WP:POV reasons). If you searched around you'd find photos related to religion in Korçë. Btw don't revert it back by adding it in other sections that already have a photo. The photos of the article are already crammed.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 21:52, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I moved it to the relevant section. If you find the picture non-representative for the specific section, I'm open for discussion. But as far I've checked Greek education was predominant in the city at the pre-1920s, no matter its ethnical composition.Alexikoua (talk) 22:04, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

More like pre-1900s and given that it was a predominantly Orthodox town, the mother tongue of which was the only officially banned language of the Ottoman empire, of course the lingua franca of the religion would be used in many schools. Why add a photo that has nothing to with museums in the **museums** section? The are two Mesonjëtorja photos essentially because it is both the most famous educational establishment in Korçë and because it serves as a museum. If there was another museum photo regarding Korçë there wouldn't be two photos of it. You uploaded a photo and you can have it on the relevant article, but don't add it in irrelevant sections. Is there a Greek language school that is also a museum today in Korçë? If so, find, upload and add it. I won't remove it.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 22:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

The picture is next to the education section, just over the first Albanian school, which is a museum now. But it's no problem to me to add it below that, and we still have one for education and one both for the museum and education sections.

Generally speaking, apart from the historical value in Albanian history, the Mesonjëtorja was one of several schools of the pre 1920s era & might deserve one picture in Korce education section, but it's overrepresented having two pics in the article of the city. I wouldn't deny both pics in a more specilized article.Alexikoua (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

But by the way, I've didn't replaced the modern Albanian school pic, now museum, but the 19th cent. pic. of the same school with another one. So we have still 1:1, per section.Alexikoua (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I've taken a number of suggestions into account, like removing irrelevant pictures (Moscopole mountains) and kept both pictures of the museum-school. The present selection of images is the most representative according to the main text of the article: and especially according to the Religion-museums-educationAlexikoua (talk) 22:47, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Minorities in Greece

Will you please explain why you reverted my edits in Minorities in Greece in the talk page? Filanca (talk) 13:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

You owe an explanation why you insist again to add this stuff while it has been refuted in the talkpage. Since you don't explain why this irrelevant stuff should be added, it easy to conclude why it's reverted.Alexikoua (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

There are still no reasons given for deleting the sourced material in that page. I am looking forward for those. Filanca (talk) 21:04, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm asking you kindly to provide detailed explanations, wp:ilikeit is really disruptive.Alexikoua (talk) 21:09, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Your recent edit at: Buthrotum

Hello, Alexikoua:

You reverted my attempt to disambiguate aqueduct with Roman aqueduct.

Since, according to the text, the structure was built during the reign of

Augustus (circa 31 BC), during the Roman Empire, by Romans, for new Roman

settlers, is there any reason (aside from some geo-political spat, or structural

oddity) that this should not be called a Roman aqueduct? If you have any insights

into the nature of the structure (or alternative construction date), which would

cast the designation into doubt, please share them with us.If aqueduct (bridge)

or aqueduct (watercourse) would be more appropriate, then make your case. But

don't just revert the edit and leave the ambiguation.Gulbenk (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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Names of minority politicians

Since the Turkish politicians from Greece have their names written in Latin letters and not in Greek letters it seems quite logical that in other languages written in Latin letters the most accurate should be to use their already "latinized" names and not go through a foreign alphabet. This is their only name, there was no forced hellenization of Turkish names as there was a forced turkification of minorities names in Turkey, as there had been in Fascist Italy for Slovenians e.g. and, so it seems from the talk page you linked to, in Albania. --Minorities observer (talk) 22:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

List of Byzantine Massacres

The article is highly contentious. First off, what constitutes a massacre? There was no set of international laws or standards in the 6th-13th century that would describe those events as such. It's easy for me to see that these "massacres" in the Byzantine Empire as nothing but riots or battles. If these issues are not addressed properly and if all those "massacres" are indeed contentious, I believe it should be nominated for deletion. Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The sources state it as massacre of civilians, please read the sources and definition of massacre.DragonTiger23 (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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September 2013

I got this article to GA, and would like to improve it FA. Also the title "Pre-Turkish Anatolia and Turkish presence prior to 11th century Anatolian Seljuk invasion" is so obviously POV, it's funny (not to mention too long).Cavann (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

The article is curently reassesed. The way it got to GA, without the slightest notice, raises serious questions. A peer review can fix that. Also notice that wikipedia needs team spirit and the way you express wp:own and continuously instant revert damages your profile. For example in this case, it would be civilized to explain why this is according to you pov and funny before proceeding to instant revert.Alexikoua (talk) 21:53, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I do not have the time to explain everything to you or summarize sources to you. If you do not have WP:competence, do not edit this article. First of all, "Turkish" is problematic before 19th century (eg: Kushner, 1997). I guess you did not notice the qualifiers such as "Seljuk Turks," instead of "Turkish people." Second of all "invasion"? Why not "conquest" or "colonization" or "Turkification." Again, my goal is to improve this article, but you are being disruptive, whether intentionally or not, since you seem to have not read one single thing about subject-matter. Start with Kushner, 1997. More informed edits and less edit wars on your part would make editing more cooperative.

You are welcome to request reassessment or peer review, but it seems like you are doing it to push your POV during edit wars, instead of waiting until the article has stabilized, like the Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment page suggests. Cavann (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Since you don't have time to discuss your edits, I'm afraid you are violating one of the five basics of wikipedia. By adding pov parts and using sarcastic comments as an excuse isn't a sound strategy. By the way reassessment is something completely diferrent than peer review, but it seems that you don't have the time to check for it either.Alexikoua (talk) 22:12, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I am discussing my edits. But I do not have the time to summarize sources to you. Cavann (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I mean on the talk page. Especially multiple reverts need to be explained, as part of an ongoing content dispute. For example here, why Anatolia prior to the arrival of Turkish tribes (i.e. 11th c.), can't be labelled as pre-Turkish Anatolia.Alexikoua (talk) 22:24, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Then you are creating a subsection for one paragraph. I already explained that so many times. I already said Turkish is problematic before 19th century. And Anatolia did not become Turkish overnight after 11th century. "Before Seljuk incursions", or "Before Battle of Manzkiert" would be more accurate, but again, its a small paragraph for its own section, even tho I'm gonna expand it with few more sentences. Cavann (talk) 22:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Turkish people are problematic before 19th century? Seems you don't believe that even yourself since you extented that period back to the Bronze Age. By the way, because the article is about the Turkish people, the term pre-Turkish is essential. Both Slejuk incursions and Battle of Manzikert are wrong, since, according to what you claim... Anatolia did not become Turkish overnight and Seljuks weren't the only Turkic tribes settled in Anatolia in the 11th century. To sum up "Pre Turkish period" Anatolia is important to be clearly termed as such when we talk about the pre-11th century history of the region.Alexikoua (talk) 22:48, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Just cause they are mentioned does not mean they are 100% Turkish in the modern sense. French people mentions Celts and Gauls (French_people#Celtic_and_Roman_Gaul). Does not necessarily mean Celts and Gauls are French. Or just cause British_people#Ancestral_roots mentions paleolithic people there, does not necessarily mean those people were British. It's there cause it's relevant to subject-matter. Cavann (talk) 22:59, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Why are French/British relevant with the Turks? Look at the Germans... no word about pre-Germanic tribes, same stuff about Russians, Serbs, no pre-Slavic scenarios, Albanians the same, etc etc.Alexikoua (talk) 23:16, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Off course, France before the arrival of the Franks, was pre-Frankish, same with Britain (pre-Norman, or Saxon). Why not a pre-Turkish (Turkic) Anatolia?Alexikoua (talk) 23:20, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Go change British_people#Ancestral_roots to "pre-British" then if that makes sense to you. It is just as nonsensical as your title to me.Cavann (talk) 23:24, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Did I said that? Nope, I said pre-Norman, pre-Saxon Britain, same as pre-Turkish in Anatolia (a region before the arrival of a specific population).Alexikoua (talk) 23:35, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

It is easy to revert things.

Hi,
can you explain why you removed the Albanian version of Zappas name? What does bother you about it?
Mondiad (talk) 16:05, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not relevant with the specific biography, a Romanian name will be ok since he lived in Romania. But since you added an Albanian name on Zappas recently you need to explain the reasion for this.Alexikoua (talk) 20:10, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. Doesn't look like. First, the village where he was born is in Albania. Second, he is respected a lot in the region, and his monument is there. Third, he contributed in building churches and schools in the are, some of them are still there. Fourth, his kin still lives in Lobovo area and they bear the last name Zhapa. Some of them fell in WW2 and are communist heroes. Fifth, regardless of some might think, he is not unknown in Albania. There is an recent official request from Lunxheri region organization to the president of Albania to to give him honorific title for the contributions given.

And even if you take good care of the articles, you are not the owner of them. You can easily send a message before reverting other people's work.Mondiad (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually in wikipedia we have some rules, one of them is wp:or. This means what you claim should be fist supported be neutral reliable widely accepted material. According to references already present in the article: 1. He was born an ethnic Greek in Ottoman Empire, 2. Off course he is respected in his region as well as among the Greeks in Greece, 3. He contributed to the establishment of Greek churches and Greek Orthodox Churches, Institutions for the benefit of the Greek state and the Greek communities in the Ottoman Empire (i.e. his region too), 4. The Zappas foundation, established by himself in Athens has taken action to protect his personal property today, however the Albanian authorities raise multiple issues to prevent that, 5. His testament doesn't even mention the word 'Albanian' or a similar word. Also his tombstone in Labovo isn't written in Albanian but in Greek (it lies broken next to the village center).

On the other hand he was quite stubborn Greek patriot (based on his writings). The only fact that historically links him with Albanian people could be that he was arrested by Ali Pasha's troops, before the Greek War of Independence.

But suppose you know all that, since this is inside the article.Alexikoua (talk) 21:11, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

All the tombs of that period, not only in Labovo but throughout Albania for people with Orthodox religion were written in Greek. As by a Sultan Law, sponsored by Greek Church, any writing in Albanian language was a felony. See what happened to Koto Hoxhi, Pandeli Sotiri, Kristo Negovani, Stath Melani, Petro Luarasi, etc. This does not have anything to do with the fact that his people are still living in Labovo with the last name Zhapa and not Zappas. Go and ask them what nationality they are. Ali Pasha was an Ottoman Pasha, he presented the Empire adinistration, not any Albanian state, neither Albanian people.

And I don't care if he claimed himself Greek. Armenian, or Bengali, everyone can claim himself as he likes. This does not have anything to do with the Albanian version of his name. Vangjel Dule is Greek, even his last name is not.

Wikipedia should provide as much info as possible, this is not an arena where you can try to poison the article with as much Greek propaganda as you can. But I suppose you know that, you spend so much time on Wikipedia.

Lunxhëri -recent changes

I don't like reverting the work of the others, and I did not revert your changes, but each one should show some respect for the work of the others, and each one that wants to make changes can happily read the references first and read the article after he changes something.

• First, the short sentences that resulted after your edit do not fit any kind of journalistic standard, and some really odd in English. Its like translating something without adjusting or revising it.
• Second, the sentence you added does not have any added value. "...most of the population spoke Albanian..." - does not mean anything. All the population spoke Albanian, this does not mean they had Albanian national conscience, as well as all the schools and church services were only in Greek, so many of them spoke Greek, this does not mean they had Greek national conscience.

Just don't rush when you make changes, take time to read the article after you change it.
Mondiad (talk) 00:10, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The citation you used claims that most of the local women that period spoke Albanian, so I rephrased it and concluded that most the population spoke Albanian (adjusting the initial part). But I will take a second look at this paper of De_Rapper.Alexikoua (talk) 13:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I've already checked the entire document and I have the feeling that a couple of correction are needed, concerning the social status of the region.Alexikoua (talk) 14:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Misinterpretetion of a map

Hi, check the map of Thrace, Thracians and Thracian state again, please. There are several mistakes I have read by your interpretation about the location from the following areas|rivers: Eastern Thrace, Halkidiki, Pella, coastal strip of the Aegean sea, Axios, Haliacmon etc. Please, use the maps carefully and read the legend before any interpretations. Thank you. File:Tracian state.png Jingiby (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Look at the borders of Odrysae's state on another map here, please. Jingiby (talk) 18:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Grave Circle B, Mycenae

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File:Bronze Age Collapse.png

The source for the movements in this map is a self-published book by an author for whom no credentials can be found. There's an earlier discussion at Talk:Bronze Age collapse. I've removed it from the articles. Sorry, but I can't see anyway we can use a self-published work by someone who is not a recognised expert for this. Dougweller (talk) 12:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Why self-published? The publisher of this book Oxford atlas of world history, is the Oxford University Press. I don't see any problem with the specific publishing house, on the contrary, it seems fine (...Oxford's Atlas of World History is the result of more than three years' intensive work by a specialist team of academics, editors, and cartographers...).

By the way I don't see any previous discussion at Talk:Bronze Age collapse, related with the specific publishing house.Alexikoua (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems that the source is indeed one of the best we can have in the field of historical chartography, the general editor Patrick K. O'Brien, is an expert on the field (Uni. London, hist.dpt.).Alexikoua (talk) 12:57, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I've removed the dubious source (iUniversity, M.Robbins) which I used as additional material. Nevertheless, all data is already taken from Oxford Atlas, in page 35.Alexikoua (talk) 13:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

But if you used Robbins as a source, what have you changed on the map? Dougweller (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I've added Robbins as an additional source, but unfortunatelly I didn't checked him in every detail and in fact just by searching some details about the Fall of Troy and the Hittite Empire it even contradict Oxford's Atlas map itself.

So, it appears I was wrong about Robins. Thanks for the notice because this work started to confuse me a lot.Alexikoua (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Tag removal

Can you remove the tag you added [10] since you put it without reading Yardumian et al., and I posted a lengthy quote to article talk page as a courtesy?[11] Also your claim of "since it contradicts mainstream bibliography" seems to be unsubstantiated, since Cavalli-Sforza cannot be more mainstream (and quotes from that source had already been provided). Please utilize talk page discussions before putting false tags. Thanks... Cavann ^(talk) 20:35, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but the sentence needs to be adjusted per quote you added, i.e. Indoeuropean populations should be also included, since they arrived after the neolitic in Anatolia. The present version ignores this population group.Alexikoua (talk) 21:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Proto-Indo-Europeans arrived in late paleolithic or early neolithic and indo-europeans come from that. This is my point with false tags. You tag without reading the source, or understanding the source. This is disruptive. Also, Indo-Europeans are not even in the text you tagged: "The area now called Turkey has been inhabited since the paleolithic, including various Ancient Anatolian civilizations during the neolithic period and peoples of Thrace. Modern Turkish people descend from these indigenous groups,[70][need quotation to verify]" Cavann ^(talk) 21:12, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't thing that when a quote is needed this is disruptive, actually you have been instructed to provide such data. By the way your tone continues to be aggresive with a complete lack of wp:agf.Alexikoua (talk) 21:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

There is already a giant quote Turkish_people#cnote_k. Cavann ^(talk) 21:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

You should insert the quote inside cite:journal. As you have been already advised, more than once, there is a quote field. If this field is empty do not wonder why a qn will be placed nearby.Alexikoua (talk) 13:36, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

You are mentioned in an ARBCOM case

Here [12]. Thanks. Cavann ^(talk) 07:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)