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Nikkimaria, can I please ask you comment here on whether the proposed hook is fine as it is, or if its closeness to the New York Times is an issue? I'll take my lumps if appropriate. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Need a second opinion about a talk page

Hi, Nikkimaria

I hope I am not catching you in a busy time. I thought I could seriously use a second opinion from a neutral but seasoned person.

There is a discussion (so to speak) in Template talk:Infobox OS directly addressing me and I am not sure whether I should participate or ignore it. What do you think?

Thanks in advance

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 01:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I would not comment at this point: see if someone else chimes in first, and then decide whether to participate. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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Nikkimaria, this article was approved today. The example you gave, "communal hatred", has not been fixed. I couldn't tell how serious you felt it was, so I thought I'd let you know what has happened subsequently. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:53, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; I think after a slight edit it's good enough. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad it worked out. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:47, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Honorverse wikia

Please come to Talk:Honorverse#Can_we_link_honorverse.wikia.com_from_external_links.3F to explain to the 3 editors who were in favor of adding the external link what precisely you had in mind when removing it with a referral to WP:ELNEVER. Debresser (talk) 08:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I am keen on equal treatment (of wikias on Wikipedia in today case). So what about fair use of extensive picture content at two wikias linked to Fallout (video game) (as well as to other Fallout articles)? [1][2] --Dotz Holiday (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome to remove any links that you feel are problematic. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:07, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thx. I'm afraid your fair use expertise is necessary. --Dotz Holiday (talk) 06:18, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Source/formatting review?

I'd thought that the FAC for Russian battleship Peresvet was just about done, but one of the delegates pointed out that it could use a source/formatting review. Naturally I thought of you as it's one of the things that you do so well, so I'd be obliged if you have time to look it over.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for your quick response.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:15, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to save an article that is about to be deleted for lack of reliable sources. There are several reliable sources on the HighBeam teaser page but I don't want to pay $200 to get past it. I understand you have users with an account. Could you search for "Vince Molinaro" and add the cites to Vince Molinaro and comments at the debate Thanks. 71.174.67.162 (talk) 00:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Vince Molinaro

Hi, I'm trying to save an article that is about to be deleted for lack of reliable sources. There are several reliable sources on the HighBeam teaser page but I don't want to pay $200 to get past it. I understand you have users with an account. Could you search for "Vince Molinaro" and add the cites to Vince Molinaro and comments at the debate Thanks. 71.174.67.162 (talk) 23:29, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi IP, is it just the articles linked from External links that you're interested in, or others? If others, can you list the titles? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:18, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The two that seem most hopeful are http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1420647871.html and http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-136512596.html Thanks! 71.174.67.162 (talk) 00:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

All the second says about him is "pundits have started to jump into the fray, creating models on which to base a proper leadership capacity growth strategy. David S. Weiss and Vince Molinaro are two such pundits, having recently released their first book together, The Leadership Gap: Building leadership capacity for competitive advantage. For a taste of their approach, read their feature article on page 20". Nikkimaria (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! How about the first? Enough depth to support WP:AUTHOR 3? 71.174.67.162 (talk) 07:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

That one I added to the article, but it's a book review and really doesn't discuss Molinaro himself, so I don't know how helpful it would be at AFD. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:44, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I hadn't noticed that. I'll merge my edits with yours. The cite is in there twice at the moment. Book reviews are what I need to save the article because of clause 3 of WP:AUTHOR: Authors that create reviewed works are notable. By the way, don't let this bias you, but he's Canadian. ;-) One more question: Who is the author of this one http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-136512598.html ? Is it Dr. Molinaro? Or an independent? It's not clear from the snippet I can see. 71.174.67.162 (talk) 13:04, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

There's no author listed, beyond the note that it's an editorial. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Goodnight Moon

Hi, Nikkimaria. I'm not sure that the list of details that was recently removed from Goodnight Moon constitutes trivia. As far as I can tell, most trivia and trivia-like lists (cultural references, etc.) are somewhat deprecated because they are theoretically limitless, tend to be disjointed, and may constitute information that should be better integrated into the article. By contrast, the list of book details in Goodnight Moon is very likely to never get longer, is self-contained (instead of referring the other media, etc.) and, in my opinion, is a significant feature of the book. I'd like to propose reinstating the list.

Also, as part of your edit, both media type (print) and number of pages were removed from the info box. Was that on purpose? If so, does that constitute trivia as well? I'm a low-volume editor, so I'm not asking facetiously; for all I know, those things may be trivia these days. :-) Royce (talk) 04:46, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Whatever word is used for the list, I do feel that as presented it does not warrant inclusion - a long list of minute details from the illustrations, without any sourcing to indicate the significance of these details, limited only by the number of illustrations available to describe and sometimes referring to other media). It's undue and likely OR. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:49, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Nikkimaria, there has been a fix to the close paraphrasing you found in this article. Can you please check back when you have the chance to see whether the issue has been take care of? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for commenting Kronan FAC. I really appreciate all the helpful pointers.

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I think it would've been more specific if you mentioned, "reopening" - was rejected by... Evidently the DYK passed and stayed for few hours. If you want, I can edit that for you? Thanks, that's all I have to add here. OccultZone (Talk) 00:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean the line automatically created by the template? I think we should leave that alone. Anyone interested should be able to follow the story as it is. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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Coolie

Thanks for picking out the extended URLs, the article may require some more cleanup. OccultZone (Talk) 01:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested pg move

Hi Nikki, when you get a chance could you use your superpowers to page move over a redirect Pope Paul III and his Grandsons --> 'His' with caps. Thank you. Ceoil (talk) 19:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Sound. Ceoil (talk) 23:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Approved?

Have I been approved for OUP access? I haven't received anything, as far as I can tell. Brianyoumans (talk) 04:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Brian, we haven't processed the applications yet - it should be happening soon. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the update! Brianyoumans (talk) 12:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your support at Talk:American_Paint_Horse#Requested_moves . I hope there are some more support votes out there, the people who seem to not understand that there are exceptions to rules run in packs. Those who will be negatively impacted usually don't, half the time not realizing the drama even exists. Montanabw^(talk) 16:54, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Symbols of Winnipeg

Will you please stop removing the SVG versions from Commons? They have already been scrutinised under DR and were determined to be in the Public Domain. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I have not removed anything from Commons. I have and will remove material from en.wiki when there is inadequate evidence of correct licensing. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes you have! You keep removing File:Flag of Winnipeg.svg (which is on Commons) from Winnipeg and replacing it with File:Flag of Winnipeg.png which is an inferior PNG locally hosted here on Wikipedia. You also are doing it with the crest and you have done it on 3 different articles. The SVGs are on Commons and have licenses and they already went through a DR on Commons where the licenses were determined to be valid. Why are you doing this? Fry1989 ^eh? 01:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

If you are trying to say you don't believe the licenses for the Commons images, then you should go to Commons and nominate them for deletion a second time. Otherwise there is no reason not to use the Commons files. If you refuse to restore the Commons images, I will report this matter to the administrator's noticeboard because I believe you are improperly removing content. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no requirement that we use the Commons files, and they don't meet standards here as they are; thus, we should not use them here, regardless of what Commons chooses to do with them. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I did not say there was a requirement to use Commons images, I am saying that as long as they are good quality and have a license, there is no reason not to use them. You can not give me any reason why we shouldn't use a good SVG image of the flag and instead use a tiny blurry PNG instead. What possible standards do you believe the Commons files do not meet? Are they ugly, are they low quality, are they inferior? No, none of that is true. You say that you will remove images that have licensing issues, but you will not explain what is wrong with the licenses of the Commons files. If you will not explain any of this and only insist on removing the Commons files, it is clear that I will be forced to seek intervention. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:57, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I have raised this matter on the appropriate noticeboard. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no evidence that the licenses present are correct (as I have previously explained), and reasonable evidence that they are incorrect. Where there is insufficient support for free licensing, we are required to assume that the images are non-free, and thus typically must use smaller, lower-resolution versions to meet NFCC. Indeed, downsampling of the flag image was specifically requested at the Winnipeg review for that reason. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

On the contrary, there is no solid evidence they are copyrighted and reasonable evidence as was provided on Commons that they are not copyright violations, but you would not know any of that because you have simply looked at the wording of the licenses and made up your mind, unilaterally removing content and refusing to directly answer any of my concerns, and speaking nebulously saying "they don't meet our standards" and "there's no requirement to use them". Fry1989 ^eh? 03:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

1. Again, we don't require solid evidence that they are copyrighted, but that they are free. We work from the assumption that they are copyrighted unless we have clear evidence to the contrary.
2. The flag image is sourced to two non-free images, while the crest image's source gives a 1970s date; both strongly suggest that the images are non-free
3. I read the DR on Commons; no evidence to support PD-self licensing for either image was provided there, and despite my requests you declined to support your assertions regarding the PD-Canada licensing.
4. Despite your personal attacks, I have in fact directly answered your concerns - I simply haven't agreed that they are valid. You have now filed a report at AN, so rather than continuing to disagree here let's see how that turns out. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:57, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I have now been accused by both yourself and another of either "abuse" or "personal attacks" when I have done neither. I asked you a question and you gave me a very cryptic response, calling it nebulous is hardly a personal attack. Asking for a direct response or clarification is also not a personal attack. Accusing me of things I have not does not help the matter. I asked you why we shouldn't use these images, you instead say "We aren't required to", that is not what I asked and you accuse me of personally attacking you for finding that answer less than straightforward? Fry1989 ^eh? 04:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Nikkimaria, I was pinged by Storye book, who has reviewed the DYK and noted that the volume of quotations from the source in the reference citations seemed excessive, but wanted a second opinion. It looks excessive to me, too, but I figured you'd have the best take on it, including any pointers to the specific guideline. Thanks for your help. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your helpful checks and comments in the FA review of my songs! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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How are my sources not reliable when OTHER pages use the same websites, and no one deletes them?? If you actually WATCH the series, there would be no need for sources anyways because the production details are obvious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenjaminButler123 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

BenjaminButler123, if you see other articles that use unreliable sources, feel free to address the issue at those other articles. However, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not justify using unreliable sources on this article. There is a discussion on the talk page in which you are free to participate, but you should not restore material without an actual reliable source to support it. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Why don't you simply just block the two edit warriors instead of fully protecting an article, which is suppose to be the Last Resort, not the first option?--JOJ ^Hutton 17:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Er, no - full protection is no more of a "last resort" than blocking. I want them to discuss the issue; protection allows for that possibility, blocking does not. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Nikki is right on this one, full protection stops an edit war cold; blocking doesn't solve the long-term problem, as it shuts down all discussion and focuses excessively upon the editors and not the content. Montanabw^(talk) 21:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

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Louis Ferreira page

Hello, I hope you can assist with Louis Ferreira's web page. Someone has butchered the page and cut it down to about half of what was there, removing a ton of perfectly good links (I check them periodically and they were all working!), plus removing some important credits, such as his role on Breaking Bad. I'm mystified as to why this happened, and there seems to be no way to contact the person as they only have an IP number. Can we change the page back to before they wreaked havoc on it? What can I do to help? I spent a LOT of time finding and checking all those links, and now everything is gone. I can only see this as vandalism. Please help.Bczogalla (talk) 19:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Bczogalla

Hi Bczogalla, that looks to be a very stable IP adress, so you probably could contact him/her via user talk. If that doesn't work, I would suggest filing a request for semi-protection at the protection requests board. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello again, I tried the talk page for that address but it just goes to a talk page for general IP addresses. I have no clue how to contact a single IP address, sorry. Meanwhile, how do I get all the deleted materials back? I will definitely try the semi-protection route, but right now I want to find all the stuff that was lost. I run Mr. Ferreira's website and his Wikipedia page is an important referral both ways, I need it to be as accurate as it was before. Any advice will be much appreciated - thank you!Bczogalla (talk) 20:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)Bczogalla

This is the talk page for the IP in question; you can leave a message there as you would for any other user. To find the deleted material, use the article's history page - for example, this diff shows all the changes made since your last edit to the page. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, yes, I know how to undo the last edit but we're talking dozens of edits here. I don't know how to get back to the site the way it was before this person messed with it... Sorry, I only do this one page so I don't know a lot of editing features. Bczogalla (talk) 01:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)Bczogalla

On the history page, click on the old revision you want to go back to, then click "Edit". Add in any edits since then that you want to keep, then hit save. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

La Mer (appearances in other media)

Why remove that? --AlchemistOfJoy (talk) 12:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no indication of the significance of these appearances - see WP:IPC. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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FAR question

Hi Nikkimaria, a quick question about FAR...I've been helping with an article that was nominated two weeks ago (Central Coast Mariners), and reading the top of the page it seems to indicate that two weeks is the window at the FAR stage before moving on. However, given how much improvement has been made to the article since it was nominated at FAR (it was neglected before that), I genuinely feel we could address the issues entirely and restore it to the standard it was previously with an extra 10-14 days. My question is, is that possible just to defer the decision to move to FARC/close FAR by a week or two? Or are the procedures rigid in their timings? I understand if it's the latter, but hoping for the former. Regards, Daniel (talk) 11:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, it's fine to take a bit more time - just leave a brief note like the above on the FAR so the other coord is aware of your plans. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the swift reply. I'll link them to this section to save rewriting the message :) Thanks again, Daniel (talk) 11:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Selma

You're everywhere! If you are wondering, I moved the section with the HighBeam cites to Selma to Montgomery marches; I decided the film article couldn't bear the weight, and the 'marches' article was a more appropriate location. - Neonorange (talk) 04:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry; it's an in-joke. In an earlier comment on Jimmy's talk page I likened some of Wikipedia's norms to those of Scientology. [3] --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 00:52, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. So the RevDel request was a joke too? Careful no one takes you up on it. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:55, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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On bended knee, asking for a favour once more...

Hi Nikkimaria, I hope all is well with you. I wonder if you could join the fray on "my" most recent foray into FAC to undertake a source review. As always I think I've covered everything, but as always, I'm sure you'll probably spot several errors along the way! Many thanks for any advice and assistance you can give. - SchroCat (talk) 06:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Google Book links

Hi, Nikkimaria. In this edit to Fahrenheit 451, you shortened a bunch of Google Book links in the references by stripping off search parameters. Why is that? The extra part of the URLs highlights the exact material being referenced (at least it does for me). Do the links not work properly for you? Jason Quinn (talk) 22:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The long links lead to a search results page, the shorter ones directly to the page being referenced. WP:CITE supports direct page links, not search links. Since you're already including quotes in the footnote, including them in the URL is even more extraneous. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

But Nikki -- you've shortened a number where I wanted to refer to the multiple pages in the link indicated -- not the sole one you limited it to. Please restore those, and stop doing this. Tx. --Epeefleche (talk) 00:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you have an example of a link where this is an issue? As already noted, linking to search results is not appropriate, even if more than one of the results is relevant. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:59, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't see where it is forbidden. Are you saying it is forbidden? There are a number of article where you did this to cites I added -- here is one example. That's very unhelpful; to turn a ref that pointed to pages that support text, and change the ref they added to one that does not support the text. Very, very unhelpful. Epeefleche (talk) 01:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

The real problem with those citations is that you neglected to provide page numbers for the references. You can't expect either editors or readers to be able to tell what you're citing if you don't use a full citation; a GBooks URL, whether long or shortened, is no substitute. I suggest re-reading WP:CITE. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• Those highlighted references can often be misleading, or it can lead you to multiple pages even if you meant to cite to a single page. Usually, I would favour filling in the page numbers in "|pages=" within the citations template if you want to refer to multiple pages using the same book link. I see that full use has not been of that facility in the example you cited. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Nikki -- you are changing refs other editors put in. From ones that directly supported the text they followed. To ones that did not do so. So the text no longer satisfied our verifiability requirements. Where in the format guideline does it say you are required to do that? I would prefer verifiability over format -- where does it say the opposite? I think this is a step in the wrong direction, for you to strip articles of indicia of verifiability. Epeefleche (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• Epee -- your refs did not meet our citation requirements, and my changes did not change that. If you want to take a step towards verifiability, provide full citations rather than attempting to rely on GBooks URLs to do it for you, because they don't. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• When we cite, there is no requirement to include a link, even to satisfy WP:V. Our obligation as editors is to cite a text, which may be a paper document such as a printed newspaper or a book; we should give page number in such cases. Gbook pages are not universally viewable, they are only selective; viewable pages are country dependent. Plus there is always a possibility that one day Google will not provide the service, and then the link will be gone, and we will be up the Swanee without a paddle if there is no page number and the document is more than a small number of pages. I'd therefore say that the important detail is the page number, not the url. We shouldn't patronise the reader, who we can assume to be educated enough to find the relevant underlying text without the multiple highlighting by Gbooks, assuming the are told which page it's on. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 04:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• Nikki -- forgive me if I neglected to inquire -- Where in the format guideline does it say one is required to do that? Epeefleche (talk) 02:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

• WP:BURDEN: "Cite the source clearly and precisely (specifying page, section, or such divisions as may be appropriate)...See Citing sources for details of how to do this." WP:Page numbers (part of WP:CITE): "When citing lengthy sources, you should identify which part of a source is being cited. Books and print articles: Specify the page number or range of page numbers". Nikkimaria (talk) 03:07, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Robert Dulmers

Hi Nikkimaria, I put this up for DYK. You're often kind enough to scrub my contributions; would you please do that for this one as well? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Ping

At Talk:Honorverse, at your leisure, can you respond to mine and Dotz's last queries for you? Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Openpara RfC

Hi Nikkimaria. I'm closing this RfC, and I notice that you say in one of your comments that there is already consensus to remove the part about brackets. I can't find that discussion - could you point me to it? Thanks. Formerip (talk) 22:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Not to worry, I think I've worked it out. Apologies that the close is not going to go your way. Formerip (talk) 23:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hello - at 23:14, on 6 May 2014 I put myself on the list for free access to OUP here - [4], I am 106 on the list. It says you " will be approving accounts and collecting email addresses." I haven't heard a thing, Grove would be very useful for the articles on Baroque music I work on. Then today I see another notice about free accounts and wonder why I have not heard anything.It would be nice to know if I have not been approved or what exactly the situation is. Thanks Smeat75 (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hounding?

Hi ... [add: This post is about hounding?]

I imagine it was not hounding, because I assume you don't do that.

But I was struck by the fact that in quick succession you made two edits -- one which could be expected to be annoying (at an obscure article where I was the main contributor and had brought the article to DYK some time ago ... tagging it for page #s) and that you happened to do that right next to an edit in which you were responding to an issue where I had expressed concern about you editing against consensus, as discussed here.

I just want to clarify [add: whether this is hounding (this post is not about 74th Street)], though -- sometimes these random events have a rhyme or reason that I cannot immediately see.

Tx. --Epeefleche (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I was doing cleanup edits to various articles (including 74th) and then saw your rather odd talkpage post - the sequence was coincidental, a function of how I was organizing my editing. However, since we're on the subject, I will again encourage you to provide full citations for material you add, and suggest you may need to revisit previous work to do so. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Excellent -- you can I'm sure understand my surprise, under the circumstances, but I'm gratified to hear it was simply a highly unusual coincidence. [Rather than hounding].

I think you may want to consider whether it is better to do what you are doing -- since we are on the subject -- and change refs so that they point to the wrong page in a source. To satisfy a formatting desire that they not point to multiple pages. I'm not sure that is an improvement. Epeefleche (talk) 02:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Fortunately I am doing no such thing. I think we can agree that it would be best if the person adding the reference makes sure it is both correct and complete, as is required. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Am I mistaken? I had thought I cited to you an example of you doing just such a thing.

BTW -- I'm still perplexed, having gone back and looked at it, about that 74th Street article which I understand you indicated was not hounding. It only attracts an edit from anyone once every 23.3 days. Yet here it attracted an edit from you immediately adjacent to your other edit addressing my concerns about your editing. The number of contributors to it is 13 -- ever. And I looked at your other edits at that time, looking in vain for your making the same format "page-needed-tag" edits to the other articles in your other adjacent edits. But life can be full of surprises. In any event, I'm happy to hear it wasn't what it might have been; hounding tends to disrupt the Project. Epeefleche (talk) 02:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

You are mistaken, on multiple counts. I do a lot of cleanup related to Google Books and other reference issues; luckily most contributors do provide full citations, even if they aren't optimally formatted, and so page tags aren't often necessary. Frequently edited pages also tend to have such deficiencies corrected before I see them; one would hope that the same would be true of nominally vetted content like DYKs, but as we can see from this example, that isn't always the case. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)