User talk:Bfpage

Too funny, after a revert I got this message:

agentevanc746- Hey I asked Jarrod and I edited his page(he's my personal coach at my high school) and he corrected it for me......I wanted to surprise home with his "amazing stats". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agentevanc746 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

No matter how funny something like this seems, Wikipedia can't let people use the site for jokes. If it happens again, someone may decide to block you from editing. Since you seem to know something about what you are doing by editing, instead pick a topic you are interested in and edit that with some serious, valuable information. I think it is kinda fun expanding the knowledge of the human race - it makes me feel like I am making a difference for humanity. I've turned editing on wikipedia into a hobby and you could do that too. Are you interested in learning more how to do that and writing about things you like?

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Monarch

Thanks for the kind words. On the bird project, we have have evolved a standard style of presentation for featured and good articles, so they all look much the same. I don't know if there is any thing similar for insects, but no reason anyway why the bird model should apply. My comments below assume that you are aiming for GA and are mainly MoS

•  Done the lead should summarise the article; as it stands, it omits major sections, like reproduction
•  Done as a summary, the lead should have few if any references. It's all going to be referenced later in the body of the text
• Image captions should not normally contain the name of the article. It's assumed that the pictures are of monarchs unless the caption says otherwise
• Only first word of a section heading is capitalsed
• Galleries per se are discouraged. Yours tells a story, which is fine, but some of the adult pictures are superfluous
• You don't really need to link countries or continents
• consistency is important. A quick glance shows that the capitalisation of monarch is inconsistent, and that your retrieval dates for references are formatted inconsistently
• There is some overlinking. Install and run this script
• Lists are rarely a good idea. For the food plants, I'd put several species of milkweed and.... If you don't want to lose the list altogether, hive it off as List of monarch butterfly food plants and link
• Web references need a publisher
• On-line versions of real journals and books don't need retrieval dates, that's for web-only publications
• refs 31 and 32 appear to be identical
• binomials should be italicised in references too
• Other referencing inconsistencies include capitalisation of article titles, full stops after initials, surname/first name order, book publisher location (give for all or none)
• Spell out journal names and US states in full (but the country should be US, not written in full)
• You may have some dead links
• Up to you, but I prefer to put explanatory bits like your refs 19 and 20 as footnotes (see Fulvous Whistling Duck or European Nightjar) but that's certainly not required
• Personally I avoid linking to google books unless it's fully free to use. Access varies from country to country and often changes, so I prefer not to give the courtesy link. Up to you though. I also don't link to journal abstracts, only full text if available
• I can't see a ref for your claimed IUCN status
• You have some bare urls

I'll have another look when I've a bit more time, there's some good stuff there, just needs tweaking a bit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Redback spider is a current insect FA, I don't know if helps you Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Bfpage, I would like to take this moment and thank you for the trust you had placed in me and for your support in my RfA that happened a while ago. Although it didn't turn out as I had planned, I certainly appreciated all the comments and suggestions given by you and other people. I will learn from all of them and will hopefully run again someday when I'm fully ready. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 13:23, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Reviewing Interior reconstruction

In regard to the article: Interior reconstruction, the assessment you placed on the page is not appropriate on the talk page, so I removed it and added two WikiProject templates instead.

My editing on this article was limited to a spelling correction, done by the tool WP:AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) as shown in the history of the article. Such a change does not imply any knowledge of the article at all. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:28, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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Copyright violation

On the log of edit history of the article Monarch buttrfly the following edit was posted: 07:49, July 15, 2014‎ Mdann52 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (68,291 bytes) (-635)‎ . . (→‎top: rv link to copyvio material (Ticket:2014071510000218)) I would like to maintain that no copyright infringement was done. I referenced a url to a website, a normal and typical practice. No copyrighted material (the raw data itself) was/is used in this section of the article. No word-for-word text was copied from the reference and then pasted to the article.

I would suggest that User:Mdann52 may also be known as User:Southwest Monarch Study. There seems to be some confusion of what constitues a copyright violation. I can only say that this/these users are well-intentioned and are responding in good faith, wishing to enhance and improve the article. I have been privately contacted by a representive of Southwest Monarch Study via email. I would rather resolve this issue with the assistance other editors who have the expertise of determining copyright violations here on wikipedia rather than thru private corespondance.

bpage (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Stubs

Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article such as Parshuram Temple which already has a specific stub tag - it just wastes other editors' time. Thanks. PamD 12:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Duplication

And your COI tag on Tunnel problem duplicated an existing tag. Please slow down and take more care. Thanks. PamD 13:13, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Reviewing article Scott Slapin

I was reviewing the article Scott Slapin as it appeared in the new pages feed filtered by the oldest articles needing review. After reading the editing history of the article I was unsure of what had actually occured with the article becuase it seems to have been moved around and renamed. I will pass up on this article's review but would appreciate someone else's interpretation of this article's editing history.

bpage (talk) 01:24, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

That article was deleted following this discussion, was undeleted and turned into a draft to allow for improvement, was improved and now has been moved back into articlespace. I've just declined a speedy deletion nomination because the current version is significantly different from what was discussed and deleted before. That doesn't imply there are no other reasons to delete the article, though; I haven't checked references or content beyond comparing them with the old version. Huon (talk) 12:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

UNESCO World Heritage

Bfpage, thank you for your support. The Churches and Christian Sites in Nagasaki, Japan, were submitted on the Tentative List of the UNESCO World Heritage in 2007 and Adami was martyred in Nagasaki. I keep the Wikipedia notability guideline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshisato (talk • contribs) 16:07, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Yoshisato,

You have created a great article. I reviewed the article and found it perfectly acceptable. I don't have any notability issues with the Adami article. Are you sure that was a comment that I made? If I questioned the notabibilty of the article I would like to sincerely apologize and wish you the best.

bpage (talk) 17:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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Combat Outpost San Juan

Thanks for the pat on the back. I created the page on OP San Juan because my comrades and I served there and it was an important operations outpost at that time during the Iraq war.

Unfortunately, I am having difficulty finding sources to use as reference which are not original. Do you have any suggestions as to where or how I might be able to better validate the history of this place? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skyjumper77 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I did a quick google search and found this, except is probably a different point of view from the arab side:

http://www.matrixmasters.com/blog/iraqarchive/2006_10_01_archiveiraq.html Are you familiar with searching on Google?

bpage (talk) 23:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Monarch butterfly

1. This was not a violation of AWB rules. I did not believe the bold belongs, end of story. People do edit with AWB and not just run bots. Your original edit is also against accessibility rules.
2. We do not revert because of a violation of AWB rules. There has to be a valid reason. You specifically wanting a bold is a valid reason.
3. WP:Deviations of the accessibility rules clearly state that <b> is not allowed. Currently, there are no articles on Wikipedia with this tags.

Bgwhite (talk) 16:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Bgwhite,

Thank you showing interest in the monarch butterfly article. I will certainly defer to you on this issue seeing that you have much more editing experience than I do. I don't know about any people that edit with just bots (does this really happen? If so, this is the first time I have read that this practice occurs - I'll just assume that I am clueless about this.) I certainly don't think you edit with just bots. I read your contributions log and know for a fact that you do not.

This is also the first time I have heard of accessibility concerns. I have read up on it since your post here and I understand now why you have this concern. Thank you bringing this to my attention, I learned something important from you. I think though you might mean 'accessibility guidelines' or 'accessibility practices' or some other issue settled upon by consensus. I write this because of what I read here: WP:IAR Therefore, I would like to suggest that I most certainly did not break any rules. In the spirit of good faith, I again defer to your well-intentioned comment about me breaking the rules.

Again, I defer to your opinion that the bold doesn't belong - your "...end of story" addendum might be a little harsh, or I may just be over-sensitive.

I reverted because I thought my edit was valid and added to the readability of the article. You cited AWB, I went to the article describing AWB guidelines and determined that my edit was insignificant/inconsequential. You also wrote: "You specifically wanting a bold is a valid reason." You probably meant the opposite, but I actually agree with your original statement. I really do believe that wanting a bold is a valid reason. If the use of bold is not used on any Wikipedia articles, then why does the option to use bold even exist?

I assume good faith on your part, I defer to you on this issue, and please assume good faith on my part.

The Best of Regards,

bpage (talk) 22:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I did not edit via a bot. AWB is a tool. If the editor's name has the word "bot" in it, then it is a bot. I'm used to editing this way. If the edit is going to be complex, then I edit a browser. Some people edit via the Visual Editor, some a web browser and others a tool.

I think you misunderstood and I have trouble explaining things. There are two separate things going on.

1. One should never use <b>, but instead use '''. This is spelled out in accessibility rules.
2. I removed the bold entirely because I didn't think it belonged there. There is no rule about this. This is entirely an editor preference.

You were entirely in your right to revert because of the removal of the bold. I had no problem with this and even said up above, "You specifically wanting a bold is a valid reason." Yes, I meant removing bold entirely is a valid reason to revert. What I objected to was adding back in the <b> instead of using wikicode and saying what I did was a trivial edit against AWB rules. I see no foul or harm in any of this. Looks like there was confusion on both parts.

I do think you misunderstand IAR. IAR is not a reason to go against any rule. (I use rule, policy and guideline interchangeably). If there is a valid reason for needing to go around the rule, then it is acceptable. When it comes to accessibility, there are very, very few valid reasons. Going against an accessibility rule usually means somebody not being able to view/read information. Some of the other MOS rules are more easily "broken".

I do miss seeing Monarch butterflies. I haven't seen one in years. There used to be a ton of milkweed plants around and not there are none. I lived in the country and walking home from school, the side of the road was full of milkweed plants. What a beautiful creature. Bgwhite (talk) 00:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I enjoy shifting gears with you here. I could write forever about the monarch. I am hoping to get access to JSTOR so that I can cite more recent journals and monographs with up-to-date information. I travelled to Mexico to the sanctuaries there filled with overwintering, dormant butterflies. The sight of millions of butterflies was completely overwhelming. Even, sitting here at my dining room table, I have my eyes on six crysalids that are soon to be adult monarch butterflies. I raised from eggs I found on the milkweed in my front yard. I have sent away to the University of Kansas to participate in their citizen-scientist program of tagging southbound, migrating monarchs. I hope this not considered original research.

Shifting again, do you assess articles and their importance?

Best Regards,

bpage (talk) 01:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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YGM - NODE+ page questions

Hi there,

I sent you an email concerning this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NODE_(wireless_sensor)). Maybe you can help me out? Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MyishaC (talk • contribs) 15:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Myisha and thank you foe getting in touch with me. I checked my email and did not see anything from you for the past few days. I am sorry if that made you wait for a response. Are you referring to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NODE_(wireless_sensor)&oldid=624816737 This looks like an archived page to me but I am sure that is probably not the case. Can you ask your question here on my talk page?

  Bfpage |leave a message  19:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

References

I edited the Monarch page today and did something different with the references. This is how the more scholarly and Featured Articles do it. Give me a yell if you have questions. Bgwhite (talk) 07:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

the only US butterfly I've seen in the UK! I've just got back from a couple of days in Norfolk, I'll look tomorrow Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:01, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite I like what you have done. I think we need to take discussions to the article's talk page. Someone has reverted some of your edits.

  Bfpage |leave a message  17:49, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Template for new users

Hello bfpage. Could I make a suggestion to improve your "Registering new users" template? It would be good to create wikilinks to the three bulleted pieces of guidance on "Five pillars", "first edit" and "first article", so that the new user can more easily access these guidance notes. Also, in the first line of the template, shouldn't it read "thank you" and not just "thank"?: Noyster (talk), 10:08, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

My Recent Activities

Wow, it's been along time since I've logged into my account honestly. I'm currently finishing my degree in Uni so I haven't been active in what must a be a few years but I check back in on and off for nostalgia's sake; It's also nice to see my contributions haven't been forgotten. I honestly was hoping the Wikiproject would take off the ground without me but it seems that it is rather slow, hopefully in the near future I can pull some time together in-between work and my studies to get back into being a regular Wikipedian :) Bugboy52.4 ¦ =-= 17:42, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Haj Omran

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1978–79 Biathlon World Cup article - References are not dead links

For the 1977–78 Biathlon World Cup, 1978–79 Biathlon World Cup and 1979–80 Biathlon World Cup articles I have for the most part used the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten's online archive, as they are the most accessible news outlet which followed the BWC at that time. The refrences might seem like dead links, but they are not, one must, however, log into the archive via the Aftenpposten website, if one is not logged in, one will not get access to the source material. Thus, I can do little to improve the refrencing as there are few other sources out there, it would have to be similar news archives in Germany or perhaps Russia.

To your point on red links, I believe it is a bit to early to decide whether or not these athletes should be deemed not notable.Newtonseple (talk) 01:07, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying this information for me. I know that when journal articles from JSTOR are referenced, but you need a subscription to view them, the need to have a subscription is included as part of the reference. I understand now why I can't access the references but perhaps you could explain this in the reference itself. I would suggest that you just include the phrase 'subscription required' so that it doesn't appear as a dead link. You don't have to do this, but you may have other editors saying the same things I did.

I am glad to hear that the red links may be 'in process'. It makes me optimistic that this article will develop into something good.

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Article creation Butterfly House

Thank you so much for taking an interest in the 'Butteerfly farm/Butterfly house (conservatory}'. I was instructed once, probably by a well-meaning editor that the procedure for correctly 're-naming' an article was to create a new article with a new name, paste the content for the poorly named article into the new article, and delete the content from the old article into the new article and then ask for a speedy deletion of the old article....I am guessing right now, that this may not be the 'proper' way of doing things like this.

What is the next step in the 'proper' way of doing this? Please assume good faith on my part, my 'renaming' was meant to improve the content of the subject and to improve Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. The bare urls were in the old article and I realize that they have to be re-formatted into the 'proper' way of citing references.

I have already begun to edit the new article and so I am not sure that merging would work in this instance. I've still have all of the information from the old article in the new article. It is probably in the best interest for all involved to know that I will continue to work on the new article to improve the citations and wikilinks.

Again, thank you for letting me know that there was a better way of renaming an article...at least I was bold!

Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  13:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

As as I understand it, editing at the new location shouldn't be a problem for whichever admin performs the history merge. The tricky cases are when the original article location develops a significant history of edits beyond the cut-and-paste move. In this case, that hasn't happened. Regards, VeryCrocker (talk) 14:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi! I want to resubmit my article created on Convergence Services. Below is my article -

Convergence Services

Convergence Services is privately held Indian based IT Company headquartered in Mumbai. The Company was founded by Vicky Jain and Priyanka Bhor in the year in 2008. Currently, Vicky serves as a CEO of the company. The company is a member of NASSCOM.

Products & Services uKnowva The Company offers cloud and on-premise based enterprise collaboration platform known as uKnowva. The product helps the organization in team communication, creating social Intranet, sharing of Knowledge, storing of documents and managing projects. The product is known for its high level of scalability and extensibility that allows user to integrate third-party applications and customize the platform as per their business requirements. The first version of uKnowva 2.1 was officially launched in 2012 and after the reviews from the customers the product underwent bug-fixing and improvements the current version of uKnowva 2.4 is available with additional features like Single Sign On, Direct Download Link, Document Version control, system information, User manager, Documents log, and improved user access control. It also has uKnowva app store that offers free and paid applications that can be integrated with the platform. uKnowva is released under open source GPL license. Convergence Support Desk The company offers Convergence Support Desk to maintain CMS based websites. User can purchase the plans that are available on their website and using ticket based support system get their issues resolved. Open Source CMS Convergence Services offers open source CMS website and application development on popular platforms like Joomla, Wordpress and Drupal.

Clients Capital First Bajaj Corp Exim Bank Wockhardt Foundation Bhatia Hospital Accelya Kale Solutions Ambuja Cement Foundation

Recognition 1. uKnowva Wins NASSCOM IP4BIZ at Cloud Connect 2013 2. Convergence Services rated as one of the top 25 web Design and Development Company in Mumbai 3. uKnowva was featured in Product Excellence Matrix in Nasscom and Frost & Sullivan Report

Here are the reference links:

http://yourstory.com/2012/07/know-about-uknowva-an-enterprise-collaboration-tool/ http://www.nextbigwhat.com/uknowva-enterprise-social-networking-collaboration-297/ http://product.nasscom.in/ip-biz-cloud-connect.php http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/convergence-it-services http://convergence-it-services.yspages.com/ http://memberdirectory.nasscom.in/mms_company_free_search/company/Convergence%20IT%20Services%20Pvt%20Ltd http://www.siliconindia.com/profiles/Vicky-Jain-P9UIzvd1.html http://www.newsvoir.com/release/uknowva-featured-in-nasscom-and-frost-sullivan-product-excellence-matrix-report-1338.html

Please help me at you earliest in creating and publishing this article. Many thanks in advance.WikiEditorP (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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I will certainly change that immediately. Although I do have to admit I kind of like the blue even if extends throughout the whole talk page. I do think though that you are right.

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My question..? I think you notified the wrong editor. You probably meant to leave the note on User talk:Ane wiki, right? Bishonen | talk 13:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC).

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Hey Bfpage, this is Jethro, another host at the Teahouse. I'm actually developing a mentorship space with a small team called the Co-op. We're looking to create a space to develop more sustained relationships where editors can come in and get matched to a specific mentor based on how they are interested in contributing, and learn what they need to one-on-one. We're looking for volunteers to help mentor during our pilot phase. If you're interested, please feel free to sign up on our talk page, and ask any questions you might have about the space. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 21:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Jethro, I am so flattered that you would ask me to do something like this. I think that I would like to cooperate in this project. I usually try to follow up on people who come to the Teahouse to see if their problem has been solved. So I think being involved in this project is really doing the same thing that already do.

Something humorous has happened in one of my attempts to mentor one of the editors who was having trouble with an article. This editor did not really understand the whole concept of Wikipedia not being a place to advertise her company. So I actually requested that the deleted article be put into my sandbox so that I could work on it and try to bring it up to standards. For some reason, that I don't completely understand. I seem to have edited the article into a form that is still unacceptable to two other editors. So it may get deleted anyway. But I've learned a lot through this experience.

  Bfpage |leave a message  11:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest--I also noticed your practice of following up with editors and felt you'd be a good fit as a mentor! Feel free to feel sign up at the project page when you're ready. To speak to your anecdote, there have been a few occasions where I've tried to rescue articles up for deletion, but have not succeeded, despite that I thought the sourcing and notability of the topic was good enough (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anarchist stamp as an example). In retrospect, these were often borderline cases and keeping the article was probably not the best option. I agree that these kinds of experiences teach us a lot as editors! I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 20:04, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Foodology

That was just too much, and the author clearly has a conflict of interest (in fact I was close to blocking them per WP:ISU but I didn't want to pile it on). If you want the text back let me know. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 23:19, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Ways to improve Foodology

Hi, I'm Aytea. Bfpage, thanks for creating Foodology!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. It seems as though this could be a page of value. Good work with the citations. Needs more expansion of all sections.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Aytea (talk) 00:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Foodology for deletion

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Is it possible that we can forget any fellow Wikipedian? No. We can't, we value every single edit and you are certainly a valuable editor. As already Northamerica1000 noted on his talk page that Wikipedia at times is harsh but there are some people who really cares. Anyway, Happy halloween and have a nice day! Jim Carter 18:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Monarch

I made quite a few changes to the Monarch page – most of which were formatting. Could you be more specific about what changes concern you? I don't see anything glaringly wrong. I read the two articles referenced in regards to the subspecies and also consulted the funet.fi for the taxonomy section. Dger (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I guess I was looking for another editor who seems like he/she knows what they're doing and would be able to help get the article up to featured status.

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awesome — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junway690 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion conversation

I hope you don't mind if I continue the discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delhaize Group here, Bfpage. I wanted to discuss my thoughts on AfD for COI edits and didn't want to derail the conversation there.

For me, the question here is whether or not we tear down the house (AfD) vs make some minor repairs (edit). If someone comes along and sprays graffiti or puts flyers up on the side of the house, we should just remove the graffiti and ads. There would be no reason to tear the house down for this. Since we can see who is actually performing each action, then we can notify that editor that what they did was not cool. Since we're assuming good faith, we're trying to educate them to Wikipedia's policies in the hope that they'll decide to stop spray painting and slapping up advertisements. If that doesn't work, the admins can be brought in to block those folks from being able to make those unsightly changes. We may also add maintenance tags/templates to the article to alert readers and editors. The templates include {{advert}} and {{COI}} for these instances.

Note: COI editors are not prohibited from editing. They are only strongly discouraged from editing. A resource I like to point COI editors to is WP:BFAQ or to a specific FAQ on that page (WP:BFAQ#EDIT, for example). Thanks, Stesmo (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

thank you so much for your kind and patient reply. I guess we could explain it like this also: somebody puts up a refrigerator box in their backyard and then someone comes along and sprays graffiti all over it. Tearing down a cardboard box is not very significant. And the graffiti artists would be warned not to do it again. But then, the cardboard box would be thrown away and the graffiti artist may have all their cans of spray paint confiscated. It is easier to delete a small article with a conflict of interest and block the user from further editing than it is to fix a large notable article and warned or blocked the user from further editing. It was a good idea to take this discussion to my talk page. No one said that Wikipedia was fair. We just know that it's an encyclopedia. I have taken no offense over this whole thing. It has just oriented me to more nuances related to notability and conflict of interest. I have learned a lot.

  Bfpage |leave a message  21:00, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad I haven't offended you. Speaking to the analogy, the cardboard box is more akin to how new articles are handled (usually via Speedy Delete's G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion or A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events)). In the case of Speedy Delete's G11, it's not about the size of the article, but that they "...are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic".

Since a more permanent structure exists with the article for Delhaize Group, we clean it up but keep the existing structure. We don't have to fundamentally rewrite the article, we can just revert the offending edits or remove text that doesn't meet Wikipedia's policies or standards. Now, if it turns out the house should not have been built in the first place (for example, the company is not WP:Notable, then perhaps the house should be torn down.Stesmo (talk) 21:26, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for the misunderstandings. Please understand that I am new at editing Wikipedia and did not intent to violate any policy or standard practice. I am now trying to learn how to enter the discussion. Is this the correct venue? Thank you. BBLean — Preceding unsigned comment added by BBLean (talk • contribs) 20:50, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey, BBLean. I think Bfpage and I are discussing the concepts of submitting a page to Articles for Deletion (AfD) on this page and not necessarily if Delhaize Group specifically should be kept or deleted. What you may be looking for is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delhaize Group. Though, you may note that the consensus is currently heading towards Keep. For discussing the Delhaize Group article in general (instead of just the AfD process), give Talk:Delhaize Group a shot. Or, if you have questions about my edits, my Talk page. Stesmo (talk) 21:26, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Book of Elchasai

Hello Bfpage, I replaced untrusted websites in the article Book of Elchasai. Please see the discussion on the article's talk page and my talk page as well under section Book of Elchasai. I tried to place reliable sources like adding the official Nag Hammadi Library website as reference #2 and a google book source to replace http://www.earlychristianwritings.com. I did my best to please user Ignocrates who reported me to RSN as you were in that discussion, but I think the editor just wants to oppress my progression on Wikipedia as an editor. And one question, what gives this editor the authority to determine the reliability of my sources? — [[User:|JudeccaXIII]] (talk) 03:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The new article has a lot of overlap with the parent article Elcesaites, so that should be kept in mind as the content is sorted out. With respect to my "oppression", please see my comments here. Anyway, thanks for helping out. Ignocrates (talk) 13:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Greetings JudeccaXIII and Ignocrates,

This article has piqued my interest since I have had some studies on the Gnostic Gospels. I am familiar with the controversies of the Manicheans and the conflicts with the early church fathers. I have located some reliable references and respected journals which I will use to expand the article and hopefully make it better. I probably will not even have to get involved with the controversies or conflicts that have been occurring related to this article, since I have so much material that I can use that is specifically related to the book and not the person.

What often happens when I write an article, and I am no expert, during the initial writings I don't usually have the best of references...yet. As I continue researching the subject, I slowly replace the less reliable references with more reliable references. For example, when I began to write the article on Monarch butterfly migration, I used what someone referred to as a "flaky" source for some of my statements. The source that I used was a PBS documentary show. That seemed to upset another editor, but I told him that I will would soon replace the references to the documentary with more solid sources. And that is exactly what happened. I stopped using the PBS documentary as a source as new information became available to me. Just because something can be deleted doesn't mean it must be deleted. Leaving the references in the article while it is being developed may be a good thing. At this point because those references that are not considered very reliable may lead to citations to more reliable sources. This is a work in progress and I don't think we should try to get it in its final form just yet. If all the all of us research more references on this topic we may be able to come up with even more solid documentation. For example, here's an excellent website where English translations exist of ancient Christian and Jewish writings: http://www.ccel.org/ . I have only just begun to search this website to find more references to this apocryphal book. You both are welcome to search that website to of course.

If someone's goal is to simply be critical of references, I am not sure how that would help create a better article until better references are found. Hey, at least you have references. I am a new page patroller also and I can't tell you how many people write an article with absolutely no references at all. Even these new articles are given a lot of time to come up with references and they are not automatically deleted. What this says to me is that the development of reliable references is an ongoing project, and that we shouldn't probably hastily remove references.

  Bfpage |leave a message  15:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the category of religious articles! I have learned the hard way to be impeccable with my edits whenever possible, and that includes the use of sources. That's partly a result of going through GAC and FAC reviews and learning what the reviewers expect in articles of that caliber. There's no point in doing something that you (or someone else) will have to clean up later. Short answer for JudeccaXIII: I learned how to determine the reliability of sources through hard experience, just like everyone else here. That said, perfect is the enemy of good, and it's better to begin with what you have available, knowing that an article can and will be subject to further improvements. Ignocrates (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I am truly enjoying our discussion, but one of my main points is this: your references do not have to be impeccable when the article is still in the process of being written. I would never deny the experiences that you've had in writing these other articles to which you refer. You will find editors who will expect your references to be impeccable and excellent and perfect and from journals and other respected sources. But you may not find these right away. On Wikipedia, someone will always be cleaning up after you because they will think they need to edit something you have written. I clean up after people. Copy editors love to clean up after people. The purpose of putting tags on new articles is to have them cleaned up by other editors who want them cleaned up.

Long answer for JudeccaXIII: (speaking as a friendly Teahouse hostess) . I appreciate your contributions to this article and I thank you for leaving questions at the Teahouse. Please don't be discouraged as you write and look for references for this article. I'm sure you will be able to find even more information and more references, because this article has the potential for being good and for providing information for people who may need it. Please keep on editing. I look forward to seeing other articles that you create. Remember, you will run into all sorts of people here on Wikipedia and try not to take things personally (even though I sometimes do, myself). I assume good faith on your part and on everyone else who has contributed to this article.

  Bfpage |leave a message  17:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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Some thoughts about your welcome template

I've noted that you have created your own welcome template (User:Bfpage/registering new users). There are a few items about this template that you might want to address:

1. First and foremost, why do you have it at all? Wikipedia has multiple welcome templates (see Category:Welcome templates) that have been reviewed and improved by the community over the years. It seems that if you're going to use a welcome template at all, it is better to use one that has the community seal of approval.
2. If you insist on using your own template (and I can't say there is a policy or guideline against it), you should substitute it:

   {{subst:User:Bfpage/Registering new users}}

   otherwise, every time the user's talk page loads, it has to load your template page as well, which might cease to exist at some point, leading to a broken format.

3. Again, if you insist on using your own template, it should be stylistically and gramatically correct. Herewith some suggested changes:
   1. The sentence

      I look forward to your editing and seeing you creating your first new article

      implies that a) only you care about this user (I should be we) and b) that the user is expected to create a new article. Very few users ever create an article, and there is no reason to place that expectation on them.

   2. You are receiving this message from me -- well, yeah, who else would the message be from, other than the person sending the message?
   3. From now on, you are an editor: someone who creates articles and does editing on other articles. Or not. Perhaps they'll never edit a thing. That's fine, and again, no need to add an expectation. But if you're going to retain this sentence, does editing is much simpler as just edits.
   4. The best one of the places to ask questions if you need help, is the Wikipedia:Teahouse.

      I think you want that to read If you need help, one of the best places to ask is the Wikipedia:Teahouse.

   5. It's here where you will find other, experienced editors that will answer your questions with courtesy and understanding.

      Should be: That is where you will find other, experienced editors who will answer your questions with courtesy and understanding.

I hope these suggestions are useful to you. Again, I think you should stick to the community-approved templates, but I suppose to each his own. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bfpage/sandbox/Vane-Wright

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page you created was tagged as a test page under section G2 of the criteria for speedy deletion and has been or soon may be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. WWGB (talk) 12:41, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I've moved this page into your userspace, which is the appropriate location for it; you had created it as an article in mainspace. I've removed the CSD tag; your previous content is available in the page history and can be reverted to if you wish. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Since this is my talk page and I have the ability to edit here, I have taken the opportunity to address nomination and the use of the template used to nominate this sandbox page for speedy deletion. This is not my first article, and the speedy deletion template and the editor nominationg this page for speedy deletion should have referenced that information from my log of contributions.I have been able and priveleged to be able to write many articles on Wikipedia. This is not my first article, nor was it even a draft of article. Again, the speedy deletion template and the editor who applied the template should have refered to that information from my log of pages created. I am familiar with the policies quoted about writing 'your first article and refer new editors and new users to this policy quite often....I have been editing for many years. I probably don't need a welcome message applied to my talk page. I have personally welcomed hundreds of new users and I always check their talk page for another welcome message. If the editor who nominated the page for deletion would have taken a very quick look at my talk page and seen the many messages left here, perhaps this editor would have realized that speedily applying a speedy deletion template with a welcome message probably is not needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfpage (talk • contribs) 15:09, November 6, 2014‎

I've taken the liberty of extracting your comments from WWGB's message above; it's generally good practice to respond after another user's message, rather than in it (see WP:TALK). I think it's worth pointing out that the deletion of the page was actually entirely correct; you had created an article consisting of page numbers and fairly unrelated statements. Had this been in a user sandbox, no-one would have batted an eyelid, but you ommitted the "User:" prefix and therefore created an actual article. Perhaps it would have been more prudent of WWGB to move it into your userspace for you, but he's under no obligation to do so; he took the actions that in his view were the best way of protecting the encyclopedia and was right to do so. If anyone has erred here, I'm afraid that it's you, by putting your page in the wrong namespace to begin with. Yunshui ^雲_水 15:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

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I need your help!

Is it possible for us to create an article on a subject (as a stub article) and afterwards other contributors can add more Verifiable References to it? On contributor level I have seen many articles from months & years which are mentioned as kind of STUB in multiple categories - Entrepreneurs, Organisations, etc. I don't know much about it. If you can guide me on it, that will be a great help. Thanks & Regards Ndtv.news (talk) 10:04, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ndtv.news. You have asked a couple of questions. Yes, it is possible for you to create an article on the subject that would be created as a stub article. Sometimes though, no other editors will add verifiable references to it. From what I can tell, there are very few editors that actually do this. Another factor that is related to the creation of an article on the subject is that this new article is subject to being deleted.

If you create and submit an article and it has little content and no references, it is very likely to be deleted from Wikipedia by another editor who reviews your article. It is in your best interest to provide as many references as you possibly can even before your article appears on Wikipedia. The choice of your username implies that you have a conflict of interest in the creation of an article that would describe your organization. Will create the suspicion that you are using Wikipedia to promote your organization or commercial business. If this is not the case, or even if it is the case, make sure you reveal your Association to the organization on the new articles talk page. In addition, if you need time to improve the article after you created on Wikipedia, I would suggest that you insert a template on the top of your page that lets people know that it is a new page and that you are still looking for references. Here is what you insert at the top of your new article, page{{newpage}}. This will let the editors who are reviewing your new article that you are still working on the article and they will delay deleting your article. Even if they have problems with it. I do this all the time.

Here is what I would do if I were you:

• I would change my username.
• I would draft my article on the word processing document off of Wikipedia so that I can make sure that it is well written and referenced
• I would then create a sandbox page in which I would cut and paste the article from my word processor so that I could see how it looks on Wikipedia.
• I give my new sandbox page the title: User:Ndtv/sandbox/new article creating a user sandbox page will prevent the page from being deleted until it is ready to be published onto Wikipedia.
• At this point, you can ask another editor, even me, to please review the new article that you have in your sandbox.

This is the procedure that I typically use when I create articles and has worked out very well for me. Please write back so that I know if this worked, and possibly there are other solutions to any anticipated problems.

:  Bfpage |leave a message  11:36, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I request you to just review the article in my Sandbox: User:Ndtv.news/sandbox, and let me know about it. Thanks & Regards Ndtv.news (talk) 17:00, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

wikEd

Hi Bfpage, please use User talk:Cacycle/wikEd for wikEd comments, suggestions, and bug reports. Please also check the help page, especially User:Cacycle/wikEd help#wikEd main switch, version info, and error indicator (maybe you have just switched wikEd off using the main switch). Cacycle (talk) 11:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much.

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rolfing

this appears to be a case where they have copied us. if you look at the source of the rolfing article you cite (view-source:http://www.playnlive.com/blog/rolfing/) it was uploaded in sept 2014 and our article predates that one by a long way. you will find that this happens a lot. Jytdog (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Tucson Botanical Garden

Thanks for the heads up on my Talk Page! Since I'm not contacted very much, whenever I am, it's usually because someone wants to yell at me! My parents and brother moved to Tucson a number of years ago, which is why I read the Tucson listing from time to time. I'll check out what you did on this listing! Asc85 (talk) 13:31, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Dictionary Of The $oul

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About Hsinchu Dong Yuan Elementary School

OK. I just came English Wikipedia, so I didn't understand the rules of here very much. You can delete the article, I will do better for the wiki.--T Gordon Cheng (talk) 11:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I see. I like to write article, so I won't give up, of course. I will write new articles in the future!--T Gordon Cheng (talk) 11:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Lucia!

Happy Saint Lucia's day!

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Thank

Thank you for the nice note - I always wondered why swedish girls had candle wax in their hair.   Bfpage |leave a message  11:58, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

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Monarch Butterfly

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015 !!!

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Happy New Year Bfpage!

Happy New Year!

Bfpage,
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Help

Hi, I am having problem to aggregate a translation on wiki, my fiancé made from portuguese to german the same legend that is in enwiki. It is an old legend, and it is all inside the context, the guy is old reviewer but his behavior is extremely abusive. I made printscreen of all mensages the she replied me. he banned me from german wiki, I would like know if there are how return and keep working in peace?

I was trying make a link to: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sage

from the translation of:

• en:Giant_Water_Lily_legend Giant Water Lily legend
• pt:Lenda_da_vitória-régia Lenda da Vitória Régia

The guys says in Germany wiki do not exit legends and this subject is not important (In my opinion the importance comes from the fact complete a text about culture.)

Kind regards

--Taemaya (talk) 16:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I regret that after reading the above referenced to wiki-related articles I can not understand the topic. Deciding that something is not notable enough for an article is usually decided by consensus on the English Wikipedia. Importance is entirely dependent on independent sources that can be cited and referenced. Our opinion on the importance of a topic is practically irrelevant.

  Bfpage |leave a message  01:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

I noticed your profile on the teahouse page and was wondering if you would be so kind as to help me. I have been trying to get a page on Wikipedia since August. It is much harder than I anticipated. It has been denied twice. My first draft was written much better but right now I just want it published then he can make whatever changes he wants. Since we want to surprise him, I can't ask him for help. First time, my references for some reason posted under external links. While I was watching hours of videos and reading, someone was kind enough to "fix" it for me. However, I couldn't figure out how to update new entries. I posted on the teahouse site and got some discouraging news that I need notable references and that since the page is about a person, I most likely will not get it on Wikipedia. This is distressing to me because I have worked SO hard on this project. We wanted to surprise and honor him by making this page for him. There are tons of posts about him on magazines. Problem is they are VERY short sentences. I noticed that you mentioned being able to "find" articles so I was hoping you might have time to help me. Although he is NOT known here in the US, he is pretty well known in England where he works and resides. It would mean so much to me and two mutual friends, if you could help us get this page going. I would even ask them to give you Kudos on the radio program they do. I have included the main posts (and some of the minor ones) I have found on him. There are probably at least a dozen more but there is so little said. There are even a couple of mentions of him in a book by Sir Terry Logan (if memory serves me correctly that's his correct name) but again they are so vague I don't think they would be of benefit. I am brand new to Wikipedia so this can be very nerve racking. Yes I know they want us to start out editing others but hard to do when you can't find topics you can edit. I am on the verge of being homeless so I need to get this completed before I am without internet. I would be SO grateful for any help you could give.

References I have found (his name is Alastair Greener Aldbourne Wiltshire UK)

1.Passport Magazine America's #1 Gay Travel Magazine http://www.passportmagazine.com/departments/AlistairGreener.php

2. Cruise Industry News http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/716.html http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3707:22310-cunard-appoints-queen-elizabeth-senior-officers&catid=78:cruise-news--cruise-business-wire&Itemid=58

3. newswire - same as above. Different site. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cunard-line-appoints-queen-victorias-senior-officers-58588057.html

4. M&It (MIT - Meetings and Incentive Travel)

http://www.meetpie.com/documents/archives/MIT_774516_SPEAKER%20SPEAKS%20-%20ALASTAIR%20GREENER.pdf

5. Thursday, 17 June 2010 Marketing Cunard via Social Media http://essentialmarketingplanning.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html

6. Cunarder Departure / Warm Welcome from Peter http://www.askmrcruise.no/images/cruise_pdf/CC4229_Cunarder_July_2011_20pp.pdf

7. Grant Thomas Blog All Change at Cunard http://grantthomas.com/?p=271

8. Swindon Web TV The Swindon Show toward bottom of page. http://www.swindonweb.tv/channel.php?cid=58&sel=1

9. Swindon Web TV Olympic coverage Meet our Presenters http://www.swindonweb.com/?m=2&s=1804&ss=1809&c=11141

10. West Berkshire Heart Support Group Newsletter Autumn 2013 Page 6 Bottom of right side and Page 7 left side http://www.yasni.info/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heartbeats-berkshire.co.uk%2F2013%2520Autumn.pdf&name=Alastair+Greener&showads=1&lc=en-gb&lg=en&rg=gb&rip=us

11. The Cruise Report "Brand Overview Cunard Line" SHORT Page 2 Right side http://www.yasni.info/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pocruises.com%2Fpdf%2Fthe%2520cruise%2520report%25202009.pdf&name=Alastair+Greener&showads=1&lc=en-gb&lg=en&rg=gb&rip=us

12 mirror.co.Uk Captain Greybeard http://www.yasni.info/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.mirror.co.uk%2Fcaptain-greybeard%2F2009%2F09%2Fdesign-secrets-of-queen-elizab.html&name=Alastair+Greener&showads=1&lc=en-gb&lg=en&rg=gb&rip=us

13. Moonraker Probus Club of Devizes 2012 Last article on page April 2012 Cruising Industry http://www.yasni.info/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moonrakerprobusdevizes.org.uk%2FEvents%25202012.htm&name=Alastair+Greener&showads=1&lc=en-gb&lg=en&rg=gb&rip=us

Paragraph written http://www.lymington.org/whatson.html

Cunarder http://www.cunard.com/documents/cunarders/cunarder_march_2010.pdf Port Canaveral March-April 201 Page 6 possibly 7

Swindon Web TV "Our Presenting Team" http://www.swindonweb.com/?m=2&s=1804&ss=1809&c=11141

http://www.portcanaveral.com/general/magazines/March_April_2011.pdf

This shows that he also co-authored a book http://www.booksamillion.com/p/Queen-Victoria/Chris-Frame/9780752496986#overview

Briefly mentioned

Micro Filmmaker magazine http://www.microfilmmaker.com/author/sinead-cranna/

Sea Letter Cruise Magazine Under Entertainment http://www.sealetter.com/Dec-01/goldenp2.html

Title of article "We are Cunard has a new host" http://cruisediva.blogspot.com/2011_04_01_archive.html Mr Ocean liner. Basically just shows that he acted in it.  :( http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Ocean-Liner-Times-Miller/dp/B0043GIX4W

Vacations Magazine https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ew0EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=Alastair+Greener+Magazine+articles&source=bl&ots=Q-oodP6dngds_&sig=dfI2xlUEnWK7w5vN1gnwbNZMcVg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xybfVIuWCM38gwT1i4TIBA&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Alastair%20Greener%20Magazine%20articles&f=false

Jane Reynolds blog - AG's radio program http://janereynolds.co.uk/index.php/2011/11/26/jane-reynolds-weekly-magazineblog-th-nov-3/

Lesley Holdship's Blog Swindon Web TV http://www.raspberryroulade.com/blog/index.php?id=1436865852501331861

Not sure if this would work because it's from an organization

http://bc-training.org.uk/meet-the-team/

Thank you for your time. KatieCollins (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I would be glad to help you out. Do you have a copy of a draft of your article as a word document? It might be better to work on this article via email to get it into good shape before you or I re-submit it. Send it to me at: ignore the $=# symbols in the following email so that my email address isn't inadvertently 'harvested' by some spidering-spam-generating bot: #bar=bara$f$p#age@gmail.com

  Bfpage |leave a message  17:09, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Following me around

Regarding this and this, do make sure that you are not following me around (whether it's to articles that you know I heavily contribute to, significantly contributed to, or recently contributed to). I most assuredly will not tolerate it for a second, especially since I would rather do without your copyediting. I will not hesitate to call the matter out as WP:Hounding.

And if you reply to me about this, it would be best to reply here at your talk page to keep the discussion centralized. I will see it if you reply because I will check back here. Flyer22 (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and here too. Every single editor who has followed me around when I did not want them to was either heavily warned, WP:Blocked, or WP:Banned; keep that in mind. Flyer22 (talk) 21:16, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Bfpage/Following me around

The Quick Brown Fox changes

The four changes I made to the Quick Brown Fox were to provide online links to sourced material:

The "Scouting for Boys" book is available online at the link provided. The "Fox Typewriter" article is available online at the link provided.

One of the edits was when I made a mistake in typing the URL that I had to fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.253.196.32 (talk) 01:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22

Hi Bfpage. Flyer22 made me aware of what has been going on, and I have looked at difs and thought about this. Some things for you to consider:

• I read the dif where you said you plan to follow Flyer around (at 18:39, 21 February 2015) This bit is especially unfortunate: "I believe what started this controversy was that I did not consider editing the sexism article to be controversial. And since you informed me that you have had much experience with controversial articles, I thought I would try to learn from your experience by reading the articles that you have authored and articles which you have edited with the intent of improving upon what you have already accomplished." In my view, that is a clear admission that you indeed consciously set out to start following Flyer. You wrote that, it is there.
• It is pretty clear from reviewing your edits that you have been trying to add some kind of "gender parity" to the Sexism article. Some of what you did was OK, but some of that was really bad editing - mangling the sense of the article and the sources in pursuit of gender parity in the content. You wrote somewhere that you thought the articles needed a lot of just plain editing work. Well, you made them worse in some ways.
• The following is really important -- Issues related to "gender-related dispute or controversy" have been to arbcom and are subject to discretionary sanctions. See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Discretionary_sanctions. I will provide you with formal notice of that below, and will make sure a notice is placed on the Sexism article Talk page as well. If you don't know what that is all about, I strongly recommend you educate yourself before you go further.
• since you have clearly written that you intended to start following Flyer, and since you are clearly seeking to change the POV of the articles she edits, in a way that is directly subject to arbcom, you are in a vulnerable position. If someone were to take you to arbcom, the likelihood is high that you would end up topic-banned or face other sanctions. And if you continue to edit as you have been, the likelihood of you being brought to AE seems pretty high to me.
• So you should perhaps reconsider your intentions. If you decide to continue, I urge you to be very WP:CIVIL, avoid edit-warring, and talk about contentious changes on the relevant article Talk page.

good luck to you, in any case! Jytdog (talk) 01:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Greetings! Jytdog and thank you for your courteous and thoughtful message here on my talk page. I'd like to address each one of your points, if I may, although this may seem out of order.

Your edit to the sexism article that clarified the section on wartime rape was excellent. I was glad to see the changes that you have made-the article is better for it.

I have searched Wikipedia for at least an hour and have found no reference to gender parity. Is this a policy? I understand the policies regarding a neutral point of view, not giving undue weight to minority viewpoints and information, but I cannot find a definition for gender parity. Perhaps this is something that makes the article controversial to begin with. As far as I know, I am editing from a neutral point of view. How is it possible to have a point of view concerning the article hymen? Or pelvic inflammatory disease?

I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I am very willing to limit myself to not editing the following pages that are listed on the edit count summary (a statistical-looking page found here) of Flyer22:

Articles Flyer22 has created:

Wartime sexual violence

• 694 Sexual intercourse
• 599 Clitoris
• 591 Adolescence
• 550 Anal sex
• 520 Pedophilia
• 434 Orgasm
• 422 Vegetarianism
• 334 Physical attractiveness
• 320 Asexuality
• 292 Vagina
• 279 Virginity
• 278 Bisexuality
• 246 Rape
• 225 Sexual orientation
• 212 Tribadism
• 203 G-spot
• 193 Gender
• 191 Eye color
• 189 Ephebophilia
• 165 Blond
• 164 Supermodel
• 154 Non-penetrative sex
• 149 Hebephilia
• 143 Child
• 140 Pansexuality
• 130 Homosexuality
• 123 Puberty
• 118 Lesbian sexual practices
• 115 Human sexual activity
• 114 Teen Mom
• 111 Preadolescence
• 48 Child sexual abuse
• 19 Sexual fetishism

Unfortunately, she may edit more than what is listed here but I can't find the names of the are there articles that she edits so that I can avoid editing those articles. I hesitate to communicate with her directly, because I do not want make her feel hounded. It is fortunate that you are taking on the role of a peacemaker and I believe that this is helping to de-escalate the situation.

When I stated that there were topics that I planned on editing, I erroneously thought that announcing this fact ahead of time, rather than after the fact would show my good-faith in not following her around. I actually had no idea that most of those topics I mentioned were topics that she actually was active in. I knew what articles she had created, and made a few edits there because they seemed quick and easy to fix. Whenever I visit an article page, if I see an error I quickly fix it, not even thinking that it would be perceived as some type of harassment.

I must admit I had difficulty understanding this whole concept of following someone around. I have a couple of editors who follow me around all the time and use their semi automated bots to correct many of my editing mistakes especially having to do with references. As far as I know, no one has ever had any major problems with any content that I've added to Wikipedia, except thankfully for those editors who follow me around and correct my spelling mistakes and typos.

As for Issues related to "gender-related dispute or controversy" have been to arbcom and are subject to discretionary sanctions..." I have some questions that I have not been able to find answers to even after studying all of those policy pages to which you referred me. Am I to understand that the potential exists that I would be banned from editing certain articles? Categories? Talk pages? Templates? I read that the potential exists that I could be banned from editing topics. Does topics mean specific articles? Portals? Subjects? Species? If I impose a ban on myself to not edit the above listed articles, doesn't this accomplish the same purpose?

Thank you for becoming involved. I know that you have helped me to understand things.

  Bfpage |leave a message  04:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply and for engaging so graciously in this discussion.

• i guess you are not aware of the following... but there has been an influx of "men's rights" editors into WP (mostly driven by the controversy over the Gamergate article here (really just an extension of the controversy across the internet about that). Many articles related to gender have been affected and one of their key goals has been to correct what they see as anti-male bias that they see as systemic in WP; attaining "gender parity" is often their goal. It was good that you put your finger on this first - that pattern in your edits to Sexism is one of the things that made your stated intention to start following Flyer22 around especially disturbing. She works on a lot of the articles these activists have targeted.

• as for the "whole concept of following someone around"... this place is full of humans, and humans have this icky tendency of getting angry at someone, fixing on that person in their anger, and stalking them, actively pursuing conflict across articles. It actually happens, and not infrequently. it is why WP:HOUND (which is policy) was written. Sometimes people are able to remain mostly calm in what they write, but are actually angry and actually engage in this behavior.

• i hope that context helps you see that your behavior and statements gave the appearance that you may be committed to gender parity and you may be hounding Flyer (which has actually happened to her)... and why that caused her to react strongly, and caused me to reach out to you.

• with regard to arbcom and discretionary sanctions (DS).... this stuff is deep in the bowels of wikipedia's bureaucracy and I am still learning about how it actually works. Here is my understanding so far.
  • People disagree in Wikipedia all the time, as you imagine. Most times disagreements get worked out in Talk pages (or people just give up and go work on something else and the conflict goes away) and Wikipedia' whole dispute resolution (DR) process is never formally or thoughtfully engaged with - many people never learn about it. But part of the wisdom of this place and part of what has kept it working, is that there actually is a whole well-thought out set of DR process. See WP:DR for a description of it. We have separate processes for content disputes and for behavior disputes. As that article describes, there are articles and subject matter where content disputes get so intense that people across the spectrum of positions start behaving badly and DR completely fails. Those articles and subject matters - more specifically the people involved in them - end up at arbcom. That is kind of our Supreme Court. If they take on a case, they look at everybody's behavior, look at the content that has been disputed, look at the relevant policies and guidelines, and issue a statement in which they a) define the facts of the matter (who did what); b) define the key content and behavioral policy-principles that are at stake in the dispute and for the project overall (linking the dispute with the goals and ideals of WP); c) make judgements where they apply b) to a); d) mete out "punishments" on people based on the judgements in c) - everything from warnings, to temporary blocks, to topic bans, to complete bans from project - they tend to apply these quite... liberally, across the board; e) issue a statement that topic X is now under "discretionary sanctions"

• • what that final step means, is 2 things. 1) there is now a fast track to arbcom via what we call an "arbitration enforcement" (AE) for people who act badly at that article or in that subject matter. This skips the usually drama boards like ANI etc. 2) if the article gets locked into conflict again, and "uninvolved administrator" (a technical term here) can step and impose sanctions at his or her discretion. for example. usually you have to exceed 3 reverts to get blocked for edit warring WP:3RR). To prevent articles from becoming destabilized, an uninvolved admin might step into an article subject to DS, and impose a 1RR rule. After that, if you revert more than 1 time in a given time period (established when the 1RR is imposed), you can be blocked for edit warring.

• • that is the short overview, as well as I know it.

• what you choose to do now, is of course your call! It seems like you ~might~ have just stumbled into something that you didn't intend to, with the gender parity and HOUNDING thing. I don't know enough to judge. We know that people involved in Gamergate have lied about their gender and played all kinds of trolling games; they are sophisticated in internet ick. But like I said, i have no idea how your editing career here will play out nor what you are up to. (only time will tell) but if I were you, there would be three things I would really focus on:
  • whatever it was you were thinking when, in the course of your intense interaction with Flyer, you made the decision you describe here: "And since you informed me that you have had much experience with controversial articles, I thought I would try to learn from your experience by reading the articles that you have authored and articles which you have edited with the intent of improving upon what you have already accomplished."... i would re-think that, in light of the context that you have now been told about, and maybe say something to Flyer about your re-thinking it in light of the context you now have, and follow through on whatever you say.
  • I would read and re-read what Flyer wrote here and think about it, and respond to what she said there.
  • and i would reflect on whether correcting anti-male bias is part of what I am working on here, in awareness of the conflict that Gamergate has unleashed on WP. That is the context in which you are operating, in those articles. People who regularly work on them are very aware of the context and will probably assume you are too. Jytdog (talk) 05:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

also... are you sure that some person is actually following you around deploying a bot? It may be the action of the bot itself (bots patrol WP and fix things, like missing signatures or messed up brackets, and either fix them or send notices, all without anyone targeting them). there are also some editors here obsessed with things like formatting refs... that is literally all they ever do. maybe it is someone like that?Jytdog (talk) 05:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh my! How horrible thing to have happened to Flyer! No wonder I got jumped all over. I will not expect you to read my editing history, but I really do not have any experience with controversial articles. Now I see that sometimes the controversy is created not by friendly disagreements but by people who have agendas and programs. Ick is the right word. I still will avoid all of those articles that I have listed above, out of respect for Flyer and the other horrible experiences she must have gone through. .... and if anyone needs to follow me around to see if I am making good faith edits and embarking upon correcting and anti-male bias on Wikipedia, they would soon fall asleep from boredom. Happy editing and again thank you for helping me to understand the background to what just happened to me.

You know, I don't know if this will help or not but I am willing to share some personal information about myself that can be easily confirmed just so that flyer or anyone else can determine that I really am who I say I am. See my user page I'll post a little more personal information there. Anyone should be able to figure out who I am from that.

  Bfpage |leave a message  05:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh my! How horrible thing to have happened to Flyer! No wonder I got jumped all over. I will not expect you to read my editing history, but I really do not have any experience with controversial articles. Now I see that sometimes the controversy is created not by friendly disagreements but by people who have agendas and programs. Ick is the right word. I still will avoid all of those articles that I have listed above, out of respect for Flyer and the other horrible experiences she must have gone through. .... and if anyone needs to follow me around to see if I am making good faith edits and embarking upon correcting and anti-male bias on Wikipedia, they would soon fall asleep from boredom. Happy editing and again thank you for helping me to understand the background to what just happened to me.

You know, I don't know if this will help or not but I am willing to share some personal information about myself that can be easily confirmed just so that flyer or anyone else can determine that I really am who I say I am. See my user page I'll post a little more personal information there. Anyone should be able to figure out who I am from that.

  Bfpage |leave a message  05:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

the doubled response is kind of weird. i don't think you should share details about yourself. on the one hand that stuff is easily faked, and on the other, if what you would say is true, a) revealing personal information is discouraged in WP (because icky things happen here) and b) it really doesn't matter... what matters is what you actually end up doing here in WP. this place is profoundly existentialist, philosophy-wise -- what matters is what you do, not who you are. Jytdog (talk) 05:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I see that you went ahead and added that information. i strongly urge you to delete it and ask an admin to revdel it. Like I said in the context of gamergate no one will believe it because those people lied all the time, and it is not good for you. Jytdog (talk) 05:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Please be aware, Jytdog, that just as any editor is entitled to edit anonymously, so too is any adult editor entitled to disclose their real world identity. I do so. Carrite also does so. Several current and former members of ArbCom do so. Many productive editors and administrators do do. There is nothing wrong in any way with adult, well-informed editors disclosing their real world identity. Though I would oppose making it mandatory, I think that there are many benefits to doing so. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

of course people are free to do whatever they want here! I don't know where it is now, but I know there is some policy or guideline or essay that warns users to post personal information only with consideration and this does not seem to be a wise context in which to make the decision. but of course we are all free to do it. thanks for emphasizing that. Jytdog (talk) 09:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

You honestly think this leading to this is not following me? I know that you don't honestly think that. What, you got upset about this? If you don't want me stating stuff like that, then stop taking interest in articles and subject areas that I specifically edit. While many people get WP:STiki, that you recently got WP:STiki only seems like a further mimic of my editing style. You haven't listened to, or truly digested, a thing that Jytdog stated above, or what I stated to you above or at Jytdog's talk page. For example, above you stated, "Oh my! How horrible thing to have happened to Flyer!" This is despite the fact that I already pointed you to a notable WP:Hounding case focusing on me. If you were truly trying to stay out of my way, you would not have gone to the Child grooming article. I suppose now you are suddenly interested in child sexual abuse topics? These days, do you never try to edit things you are actually well-educated on? Or do you merely copy others? Never mind. I stand by all of what I stated about you; I don't and will never trust you. Flyer22 (talk) 04:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Good Faith Fanatic

Hello Bfpage, I have a question about your section User:Bfpage#I am a Good Faith Fanatic. You write "It cannot be accepted in the presence of obvious evidence to the contrary (vandalism)." What can not be accepted? Do you mean "It cannot be refuted"? That would fit nicely to my reply at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#I Need Hope: Obviously, the behavior of many people on Wikipedia gives reason to see the glass as half empty; but it is clear from what has been created that the net effect has been positive. — Sebastian 02:00, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

On my user page, under the section - I am a good faith fanatic, I cut and pasted the content of that section directly from a Wikipedia policy page. I believe that it means that if someone edits in the statement, "Porky pig is the president of the United States", it is okay to assume that this is not a good faith edit.

  Bfpage |leave a message  04:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I see, thanks. That's WP:AGF, which now reads "This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of obvious evidence to the contrary (vandalism)." — Sebastian 07:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Pittsburgh and Morgantown ArtAndFeminism Editathons

Hi Bfpage. Great to see your energy in organizing a much-needed Pittsburgh meetup! If you would like to volunteer with a place that's relatively close to Pittsburgh, Wikipedia:Meetup/Morgantown/ArtAndFeminism could use help from an experienced Wikipedian for their March 7 event, and organizers can help with travel. Also, there is someone who wants to organize a Pittsburgh ArtAndFeminism Editathon sometime in April, maybe you can work together. If you'd like to get in touch with these people via email (most aren't active Wikipedians), I can connect you if you send something to Special:Email/Pharos.--Pharos (talk) 21:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much! What a kind offer. I work during the day into early evening and so would not be able to attend such an event in Morgantown. My interest in art is much broader than just art and feminism, and want to keep the invitation to the Pittsburgh meet up as broad as possible. I have to admit that I don't understand the concept of having a Wikipedia meet up with people who aren't Wikipedians or interested in becoming one.

Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  04:58, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, we want to support all topics in art, and in all fields, we're an encyclopedia after all :) I think the idea is that people who go to a topical editathon like this are interested in becoming Wikipedians, and are starting on that path by editing during the event, and will hopefully continue after. I'm also a huge fan of meetups that are as broad as possible, but in a complementary way also try to support topical events where there is interest and they can possibly engage newer Wikipedians. (Fwiw, the Morgantown event is on a Saturday, not sure if that helps.)--Pharos (talk) 18:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Rollback and pending changes reviewer granted

Hello Bfpage. Your account has been granted the "rollback" and "reviewer" user rights. These user rights allow you to review other users' edits on pages protected by pending changes and quickly revert the edits of other users.

Rollback user right

Please keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin).

Reviewer user right

The list of articles awaiting review is located at Special:PendingChanges, while the list of articles that have pending changes protection enabled is located at Special:StablePages. You may find the following pages useful to review:

• Wikipedia:Reviewing, the guideline on reviewing.
• Wikipedia:Pending changes, the summary of the use of pending changes.
• Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection, the policy determining which pages can be given pending changes protection by administrators.

Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of reviewer or rollback. If you no longer want either of these user rights, contact me and I'll remove it, alternatively you can leave a request on the administrators' noticeboard. Happy editing! — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

PS: Regarding your recent editing disputes – not to say that you would, but I just wanted to make it clear that rollback should never be used in such cases. Refer to Wikipedia:Rollback#When to use rollback for what is acceptable use. Your counter-vandalism efforts look great. Thanks for helping out. — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay looks like I messed up. Judging by your request that you had been using STiki, I thought you had requested rollback, when you had actually requested pending changes reviewer. That being said, my compliments of your STiki usage still stands, so I leave you with the rollback bit. Just again do note what is acceptable use. As for pending changes reviewer, that does not grant you status or changes the way you edit. It merely allows you accept/deny pending changes at Special:PendingChanges. Hopefully we're both on the same page now. Thanks and sorry for the confusion on my part :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your vote of confidence. I won't be pushing any buttons until I've read all of the instruction manuals!

  Bfpage |leave a message  05:45, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Scrotum article

Your recent edit works for humans, but flies in the face of many other mammals. How is the scrotum above the penis for a dog or horse, for two examples? Superior/inferior are more correct terms in biology and medicine. In the case of both of the above and in humans, the scrotum would be inferior to the penis or the rest of the body. Agree?Wzrd1 (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. In this article I suggest we begin every section by describing the human scrotum and then in a paragraph in the same section we describe the differences that exist in other mammals.

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Black Cardamom

My edit for Black Cardamom was not a joke. I bought a package of Dried Ammoium (Golden Cock Brand from China)from the Hong Kong Market in New Orleans. It took a long time to figure out what it was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcward (talk • contribs) 01:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

The embryonic and prenatal development of the male reproductive system (human)

Hi there. A couple comments regarding The embryonic and prenatal development of the male reproductive system (human)

1. Is this an entirely original article or was it split off from an existing article? If the latter, a {{Split to}} should be added to the talk page.
2. The title seems awfully unwieldy. Something like Development of the human male reproductive system would be much preferred per WP:CONCISE and WP:NATURAL

Cheers! --Animalparty-- (talk) 02:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Greetings! Thanks for weighing in on this. The article really isn't about the development of the human male reproductive system across the life span, it is much more focused than that and goes into greater depth from an embryonic viewpoint along with the influences of the chromosomes and androgens in the earliest stages of development.

As for the article being a split, that is a little more difficult to answer. There is an article called Development of the reproductive system. That particular article covers embryonic development of both females and males. It gets somewhat confusing with the hormones acting on males and females in different ways. Additionally, I've compared the two articles:

Development of the reproductive system

• the article covers the development of both sexes
• The title does not indicate whether the topic describes human embryology only
• Most of the article contains uncited statements.
• Last edit February 10, 2015‎
• One external link
• Two topic templates:
  • {{Sex determination and differentiation}}
  • {{Development of urinary and reproductive systems}}
• Three categories
• Unclear referencing style
• One text cited
• Three websites cited
• Absence of “See also” section of wikilinks to relevant topics
• Assessed as a B class article

The embryonic and prenatal development of the male reproductive system (human)

• Unambiguous title, i.e., human versus non-human

• Last edit March 3, 2015‎

• Every paragraph (at least) is referenced. Only 2-3 statements remain uncited because they were uncited when they were incorporated from the Development of the reproductive system article.

• Five external links

• Eight topic templates

• Two Commons categories links/templates

• Consistent referencing style

• Six bibliography entries

• 22 references

• 11 categories

• Assessed as a start article

If this were truly a split, there would be a corresponding article covering the embryonic development of the human female reproductive system. If it were truly a split, then the two split articles should be shorter than the original. I incorporated the referenced information that was available from the article Development of the reproductive system into The embryonic and prenatal development of the male reproductive system (human) sans the info and references dealing with the female development. I am more than willing to accept a better, shorter article title.

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RE: Recent edit to Pro Evolution Soccer 2015

I explained my edit in the edit summary. The content has been removed per WP:GAMECRUFT, the content removed clearly falls under #6: Lists of gameplay items, weapons, or concepts. There is also an archived discussion on the Wikiproject covering this article that supports the removal of this content. The1337gamer (talk) 13:19, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation, my apologies and please keep up the good work!

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Defenestration

Sorry, you've made a mistake. Both James Forrestal and Gilles Deleuze died a long time ago. 5.1.21.254 (talk) 13:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation. My apologies, sometimes when I review edits they initially appear to be nonconstructive when in fact the error is mine. Keep up the good work on your editing and please know that if I offended you, it was unintentional. Best Regards,

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Congratulations

	The Anti-Vandalism + STiki Barnstar
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Edit summary

Your edit summary here baffled me. --Dweller (talk) 12:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

My mistake - I must have had two review windows open and instead giving a 'pass' on your edit I selected an edit summary meant for someone else. I apologize for the inconvenience and waste of your time.Please forgive me.

  Bfpage |leave a message  12:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

No worries - and it wasn't me ;-) Just popped up on my watchlist. --Dweller (talk) 12:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

... for help on the Schiozophrenia situation. See User_talk:Thnidu#Ping. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I watchlist Schizophrenia, a Featured article, and we've discussed this matter at Talk:Schizophrenia. I was watching the editor out of concern that someone less wise than yourself would respond ... just as they did. IMO the situation calls for more sensitivity than two editors before you showed. (And we're so far doing fine back at the article :) [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Use STiki carefully

Before reverting an edit, read carefully. Thanks --115ash^→(☏) 13:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello! What I saw and 'thought' I reverted didn't look anything like the editing diff page you alerted me to. I think that I might be going too fast with STIki and reversions might be occurring before mine that I miss. Today, I had to stop, leave the STiki interface and go over the editing diffs a little more slowly to understand that there is a time period, a lag or a refreshing problem that takes my reverts past where they were intended to take place. I thank you for bringing this to my attention. I think I will open up an editing diff window alongside of STIki to see exactly when my reverts are applied and then correct the speed at which I work with Stiki so I don't fly past the corrections someone has already made. This happened twice today. Thank you again and I apologize for any damage or waste of time that my ineptitude may have caused you. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  14:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

No worries! Humans make mistakes. I've just read your userpage and it's very interesting that you comprehended your personal life. Good luck! --115ash^→(☏) 14:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Govind Pasare

Hi Bfpage. This is reference to the edit I made on the page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govind_Pansare. Firstly , the said person is not a living person. And I tried to add citations, It failed repeatedly. I'd be obliged if you revert back the changes, and add the following as the citarion. Or guide me to the steps where I can learn to add it myself. Thanks

http://m.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/pansare-killing-five-bullets-were-fired-at-communist-leader/article6945267.ece/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catchpranshu (talk • contribs) 20:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I added the citation for you. Please feel free to revert any edits that I made by mistake. Thank you for creating the article. Happy Editing.

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Recent edits to North Shore Country Day School

Hello, and thank you for your recent contributions. I appreciate the effort you made for our project, but unfortunately I had to undo your edits because I believe the article was better before you made that change. Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Thank you!   Bfpage |leave a message  13:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

You seem to keep removing a sourced list of this school's headmasters... Please either explain why the page is better without this information or if this change was done in error, revert it to its previous state. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.227.54.91 (talk) 01:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

For elementary/primary and middle schools, reliable secondary sources are usually too limited for notability according to wikipedia editing policy: WP:SCH. Elementary schools are not considered notable to include in Wikipedia, along with listing of elementary staff.

After a more careful review of the article, I have tagged it as being promotional in nature, 'spam' if you wish. This is easy to correct. Simply remove 'puffery' and 'weasel' words as described in this section of wikipedia policy: WP:Spam, WP:puffery, WP:weasel. It looks like you had a good writer, someone who originally generated this article for you and these issues are easy to fix.

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Bfpage,

When a youtube video is a video of the event taking place that is referenced, no better reference could possibly be available. Unless you think that the video is faked, please stop removing these references from pages. Qowieury (talk) 16:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

GA

Hey Bf for an article to become GA it must pass peer review. The instructions for this are here Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I think I followed the directions...we'll see if I did it right. Thanks and good luck.

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Psyscho-cybernetics

Hi, You reverted a couple of my edits on the above page on the grounds that there was no ref for a statement I've added. I've added a ref, and reinserted the sentence. You also re-added at the same time a sentence that I'd removed which had no reference, and was an expression of some previous editor's opinion. Why did you do that? I've left it in for the moment, but I do think it should be removed. Thanks. DaveApter (talk) 11:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I must have 'caught' you right in the middle of what you were doing and so didn't see the end result. I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion over what happened. I have lots of trouble with unreferenced statements by other editors all the time. I routinely remove them because without a reference, a statement really is just an opinion, you are right! When I revert edits, sometimes the program goes beyond just the most recent edit and reverts the one before it, too. Maybe that is what happened. It's great you figured out what my mistake was and you fixed it for me. Thank you again. Wikipedia needs editors like you!

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Thank you, and thanks for the barnstar! DaveApter (talk) 17:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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