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Welcome! If you post here, I'll reply here; no point in scattering a conversation across two pages. I may ping you when I reply, or not, depending on how much I want to be sure you see my reply. If you want to be sure you see a reply, please add this page to your watchlist. I don't use Talkback.(Dontcha wish we could agree on one way to do this, and eliminate all the unnecessary confusion? I do.)

Tech News: 2015-15

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15:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

RE:Signature

Hello, Mandruss. You have new messages at Pikachu2568's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

— Pikachu ^pika!2568 @ 09:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

For keeping a level-head at Talk:Shooting of Walter Scott.

Ian.thomson (talk) 15:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just another day at the orifice. Thanks for the comments, and the kitty. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:05, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RD

Thanks for that explanation -- as a matter of fact I wasn't sure what point you were making! But it's clear now. —Steve Summit (talk) 13:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why...

... did you do this? The Banner talk 10:56, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@The Banner: Already self-reverted. I can give a more thorough explanation than my edit summary, if you want it. ―Mandruss ☎ 10:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, this was good enough. The Banner talk 11:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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16:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about the massive delete

... at WP:RD/M. What happened was that my Firefox crashed. When I restarted it, I was amazed that it remembered everything I had entered, but I didn't notice that it must have forgotten that I only was editing a section. — Sebastian 18:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From my limited experience with you, I trusted you were not a vandal, and therefore it was either an honest mistake or a case of software temporary insanity, which does happen occasionally. No worries. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation

I'd like to invite you to join the WikiProject R&B and Soul Music. We are currently on demand for new members, the project was dying, but with your help we can revive it and make it one of the best WikiProjects. Make me sure that you'll think about this and remember cooperative works can do amazing things. Regards Dfrr (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Legobot (talk) 00:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Why did you make those reverts?

@43.224.156.79: What reverts are you referring to? ―Mandruss ☎ 08:57, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This one. 43.224.156.79 (talk) 13:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Users may freely remove anything from their own talk page, per WP:OWNTALK. Therefore no explanation is required. But if you make a habit of vandalizing other users' talk pages, you could very easily up blocked from Wikipedia. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you notice that I made the message at the top before you made that revert?

Nøkkenbuer

You're arguing about race with a dude who has a gallery of Hitler pictures on his Google+ profile. Good luck with that. Nitestilts (talk) 05:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. Many people are history buffs in a particular narrow area, his might be Hitler. Or images of Hitler. A collection of photos is not necessarily idolizing Hitler. The user you refer to is one of the more rational, level-headed and reasonable people I've come across in this madhouse we call Wikipedia. ―Mandruss ☎ 05:29, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

His interest in Hitler may well be academic. On the other hand, he hasn't been here much over a month and he's made superficial edits to Degeneration, Jews, Miscegenation, Racism and Eugenics. It paints a picture that I don't like the look of, even if he is polite. Nitestilts (talk) 05:56, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The only question is whether his edits are within policy and guidelines. I trust that, in such a controversial area, there are plenty of editors to protect Wikipedia principles (I personally have too many other things on my plate). If he's a POV-pusher, we know how to deal with it. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I admire your attitude. Really. Nitestilts (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers of watchers of those articles are 30, 1,068, 254, 798, and 624, respectively. Except for the first one, that's a healthy amount of watchers. But his minor copy editing in Degeneration looks mighty suspicious to me. ―Mandruss ☎ 19:15, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd appreciate it if I were spoken about with me involved, Nitestilts. No, I do not support Hitler nor do I support his policies. I probably couldn't be further from a supporter, sympathizer, or adherent of Hitler or his policies. I find him to be an intriguing individual because he was so deeply disturbed, and has obviously influenced modern society, but I hold no respect for his views or those who adhere to them. I am antiracist (which includes antisemitism), egalitarian, and pacifistic. My political views are inherently disparate and irreconcilable with the Nazi Party or Hitler, and I disagree with them on every single issue. On the Political Compass, I'm closer to Ghandi than Hitler (off by a few points, I think).

As for the gallery of images of Hitler, that was something I put together on Hitler's 125th birthday in 2014 when I was writing a summary of Hitler (most of the information being what I got off Wikipedia and other sources). I felt it to be boring to see so many people celebrating Weed Day (4/20), so I decided to spice things up by educating people about one of the most influential people of the 20th Century. I also argued, in the conclusion to my G+ post, that Hitler may have been a necessary evil because "through his inhumanity we learned to be more humane". As my conclusion indicates, I consider Hitler to have caused a great evil in the world, but we learned much from that horrible man and we are now a better society as a result. Hitler was the wake-up call we needed, the proof of the dangers and violence racism and antisemitism and nationalism can breed. What he did was unspeakably wrong, but I argued that we should take what we learned from Hitler's atrocities to build a better world, one which is devoid of the very beliefs Hitler held, if only to prevent another Hitler. I also wanted to work on my writing skills.

As for my edits, that's because I naturally clean up articles I'm reading. I was reading some of the old stuff about degeneracy, which I found interesting (but ultimately fallacious). I did some cleanup, like I usually do whenever I'm on an article. If you check my contributions. you'll see I do a lot of edits all over the place. I cleaned up House of Enríquez, despite having never heard of them (it was actually the random page I received when I rolled for one), because I was looking for something to clean up. I did some major cleanup (still in progress) to Duck and cover, despite having little to no interest in that. I've even done some minor editing on the Dragon Ball XenoVerse article after looking up some info about it for a friend who was interested in playing the game (I have no interest in DBX).

Do these edits make me a supporter of the House of Enríquez, or a duck-and-cover advocate, or a DBX fan? No. Nor do I adhere to Neo-Nazism, nor do I support Hitler's views, nor am I racist, nor a eugenics advocate, nor an advocate of 19th Century Degeneration Theory, nor do I care about whether people have romantic relations with someone of another race/ethnicity. I'm just editing on Wikipedia during my normal reading of articles. If you noticed which edits I've been making, however, most were exclusively copyediting or minor changes. I like to clean up neglected articles because they usually have the most for me to do (c/e and cleanup-wise). I don't know anything about most of the articles I edit, however, including the Degeneracy article, so I don't actually add much content. I simply clean up. I am following all those pages, however, because I like to keep track of those which I've edited. I also try to follow controversial articles in order to make sure I can spot vandalism and revert it, as I have before.

I invite you to watch my user account and monitor my activities if you're so concerned about me POV-pushing (of which, by the way, I am a strong opponent). Otherwise, there's no need to peruse my minor edits and try to draw bold conclusions from laughably insignificant evidence. But hey, good thing I didn't put the Grammar Nazi userbox on my profile! That'd only give you more reason to suspect me a skinhead. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 18:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Nøkkenbuer: That would be an excellent and effective response to an ANI complaint. Here, I think it's an overreaction. As long as he leaves you alone, what do you care what he thinks? ―Mandruss ☎ 18:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I overreacted, sorry about that. I take accusations seriously, since ones like the one above could easily cast undue suspicion on me and make me look to be a bad guy and not just an innocuous editor. It's also concerning to me when people think I'm something I'm not, especially when what they think I am is the complete opposite of what I really am. I was also frustrated that someone would be talking behind my back just because of my edits. It makes me feel like I should avoid trying to clean up certain articles out of fear of being viewed as an ideological adherent or supporter of it. But yes, you're right, I probably overreacted. I'll just mind my own business. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 18:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've been known to discuss people behind their backs, and no one has ever told me it was improper to do so. Although I didn't put their username in the heading! As I recall I didn't even mention their username, since the person I was discussing them with knew who I was talking about from context. Obviously that wasn't possible in this case. Thanks for letting this go. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I apologize for the unsolicited construction on your talk page. Have a great day. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 20:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nokkenbuer, I'll respond to your comments here just to keep things together, but if you want to continue the conversation, let's do it somewhere other than Mandruss' talk page. Let's look at the bare facts. You have a gallery of Hitler images on your Google+ page. You edited the articles I listed. You are arguing for the removal of racial identifiers on articles such as the recent shooting of Wlater Scott. You may have perfectly innocent reasons for all of these. I wanted to point out the image gallery and the edits to Mandruss because I hate seeing someone sincere waste their time trying to find common ground with someone disingenuous about their aims. Although you call yourself a "new user", you are not. I don't know if you have any interest or connection to every article you edit, but I note your edits to James Cantor, Perverted-Justice, Hebephilia and To Catch A Predator. Your comments on Talk:Pedophilia led me to conclude that you have a definite interest in that topic area. And that's fine. Just be aware that people will be watching if you insert yourself into contentious areas like race relations and pedophilia. Tread carefully. Nitestilts (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your concerns, and I will try to be more mindful. I'm interested in controversial articles, and I am typically drawn to them, because I feel I can contribute to them. That's why I also edit on Islam, Quran, Jesus, Edward Snowden, and US Democratic Party. Ideally, I'd like to prevent vandalism on those articles, mediate disputes on their talk pages, and ensure neutrality in the content. I am new to Wikipedia, but I have been using it for years, and occasionally contributed as an IP. If you wish to continue this discussion, you can go to my talk page. I don't think much else needs to be said, though. You have voiced your concerns, and I appreciate your willingness to watch out for others. I was initially upset because I felt you were misjudging me without knowing the full picture, but in reality you were just unaware of my views and was concerned that I was a problem. I hope you now see that I am not. Again, if you wish to continue, feel free to do so at my talk page. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 20:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With apologies to Mandruss, who has been nothing but gracious to both of us, your half-truths won't cut it with me. I'm not sure how many previous accounts you've had, but this is not your first. Your Nokkenbuer account started in 2009. Nitestilts (talk) 21:19, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, carry on. I trust you'll both keep it civil. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:23, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have one account, this account, which is active. I have one other, whose password I forgot and whose email I never set, which I cannot access and no longer wish to access. That's my Nokkenbuer account, and it was back when I was younger and ignorant about Wikipedia. I have one third one, which I made to delete one post by my Nokkenbuer account, which is called Nokkenbuer2. Those two accounts can be banned for all I care. I'm trying to move on from my teenage years and past on the Internet, since I have changed drastically in only the past year or so. Now, please either make a post on my talk page, or email me (I can set up an email form on Wikipedia if necessary). I'd prefer the latter, seeing as you wish to discuss something personal with me which should not belong on Wikipedia. I will not stink up Mandruss' page any further, so this will be my final response in this section. I'd like for Mandruss to delete this section to prevent this from continuing, but since it's his talk page, it's his decision. Good day. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 21:53, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nitestilts, as you can see here, I addressed Nøkkenbuer about the pedophilia matter and related topics. As for that and anything else he states, a person can learn a lot about his interests and what he has stated off-Wikipedia because of the off-Wikipedia trail he has created. The WP:Child protection policy takes certain views very seriously. You should be careful about WP:OUTING, though, and that is the only reason that I will not point here to troubling posts Nøkkenbuer has made off-Wikipedia about pedophilia and children. Flyer22 (talk) 21:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like you're wikihounding me now based on your own prejudices and preconceived (and erroneous) notions about me. Please stop trying to slander me. If you have some problem with me, then bring it up to me on my talk page or in private. (Certainly, with all your tireless searching about me, you've uncovered my email?) As for these so-called "troubling posts" I've made off-wiki, I do not recall making any. If I have, then email me and I'll see if it's actually me, and whether you've caught the evildoer you presume me to be. Otherwise, please leave me alone. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 21:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For whatever my inexperienced opinion is worth, and only because this is my talk page, I've read the thread on Nøkkenbuer's talk page, and I've looked at some of his edits, and I think Flyer22's reaction is not warranted by what I've seen. I think he's putting 2 and 2 together and getting 22. He can claim some incriminating off-wiki behavior that he can't reveal, but I'm not just going to take his word for its existence or its incriminating nature. I believe what I see with mine own eyes, no offense. If there's any substance in these accusations, I don't think a debate with the suspect is the way to deal with it. If there's nothing actionable, I think it should be dropped until there is. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll also say that it wouldn't surprise me if articles on pedophilia and other child abuse are strongly biased against offenders, simply because of the risk one would take to defend their neutrality. You damn sure won't find me doing it. ―Mandruss ☎ 22:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Your contributions to the Shooting of Walter Scott, your repeated assistance and advice, your willingness to mediate complicated discussions, and your amazing ability to tolerate this user has earned you multiple barnstars, but let's just say this one counts for all of them. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 17:41, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::::I feel like you're [[WP:WIKIHOUND|wikihounding]] me now based on your own prejudices and preconceived (and erroneous) notions about me. Please stop trying to slander me. If you have some problem with me, then bring it up to me on my talk page or in private. (Certainly, with all your tireless searching about me, you've uncovered my email?) As for these so-called "troubling posts" I've made off-wiki, I do not recall making any. If I have, then email me and I'll see if it's actually me, and whether you've caught the evildoer you presume me to be. Otherwise, please leave me alone. ―[[User:Nøkkenbuer|Nøkkenbuer]] ([[User talk:Nøkkenbuer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nøkkenbuer|contribs]]) 21:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 ::::::::For whatever my inexperienced opinion is worth, and only because this is my talk page, I've read the thread on Nøkkenbuer's talk page, and I've looked at some of his edits, and I think Flyer22's reaction is not warranted by what I've seen. I think he's putting 2 and 2 together and getting 22. He can claim some incriminating off-wiki behavior that he can't reveal, but I'm not just going to take his word for its existence or its incriminating nature. I believe what I see with mine own eyes, no offense. If there's any substance in these accusations, I don't think a debate with the suspect is the way to deal with it. If there's nothing actionable, I think it should be dropped until there is. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#AAA;">&#9742;</span>]] 21:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
+:::::::::I'll also say that it wouldn't surprise me if articles on pedophilia and other child abuse are strongly biased against offenders, simply because of the risk one would take to defend their neutrality. You damn sure won't find me doing it. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#AAA;">&#9742;</span>]] 22:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 == The Original Barnstar ==