User talk:Cr7777777

This Wikipedia entry is slander: "He has been outspoken on the threat posed to Christianity by ... those seeking equal rights for those that are gay."

In fact, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, homosexuals "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided." (Point 2358 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm)

This slander against Cardinal Sarah should be replaced with an unbiased description, such as "He has been outspoken on the threat posed to Christianity by ... those redefining marriage."

• CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE: "He has been outspoken on the threat posed to Christianity by ... those destroying real marriage."
• UNBIASED: "He has been outspoken on the threat posed to Christianity by ... those redefining marriage."
• ANTI-CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE: "He has been outspoken on the threat posed to Christianity by ... those seeking equal rights for those that are gay."

The use of the term "threat" suggests serious bias. And even Sarah hasn't claimed the threat is posed to Christianity but rather tha family. Contaldo80 (talk) 14:25, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

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October 2015

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Robert Sarah because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Materialscientist (talk) 00:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 00:47, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

November 2015

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at Robert Sarah, you may be blocked from editing. GAB^Hello! 01:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Please stop misrepresenting Cardinal Sarah's position. The projection of your opinion into the cardinal's description amounts to slander.Cr7777777 (talk) 02:24, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

"Slander" isn't really a term we use on wikipedia. If there is certain wiki guidance that hasn't been followed then more helpful to highlight that. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

This Wikipedia entry misrepresents Cardinal Sarah's position: "He is also a critic of... growth of LGBT rights" The term "growth of LGBT rights" is not used by Cardinal Sarah, but is projected by the editor. This misrepresentation betrays a bias that violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and amounts to slander. I corrected the misrepresentation by replacing it with the Cardinal Sarah's direct quote in question, and provided a source.

It is also worth noting that editor who insists on rephrasing the cardinal's words admits to not understanding the quote to begin with.

Please note that you have now been referred to the Administrator's noticeboard for violating the 3:RR rule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring Contaldo80 (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

1. Writing an article about a person from a neutral point of view does not mean writing it to reflect the view that that person would prefer, as you seem to think.
2. Adding the words "LGBT's deconstruction of marriage and attack on chastity" to an article is a not writing from a neutral point of view: it is promoting an opinion, and a highly contentious one at that.
3. I suggest you check what the United States law on slander actually says before accusing other editors of infringing that law.
4. Wikipedia works by collaboration, and when editors disagree they should try to seek consensus by discussion, not try to force their own preferred version through. Simply repeating your preferred edits over and over again in the face of other editors reverting them, known as "edit-warring", is regarded as disruptive, and if continued can lead to being blocked from editing, to prevent further disruption. You may like to read Wikipedia's edit-warring policy. In particular, please note that being convinced that you are right does not grant exemption from that policy. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

1. When an article is describing a person's point of view, using the person's actual words is appropriate, especially when the meaning of the words is contested. Rewording the speaker's quote in a contentious way by someone who admittedly does not understand the quote is clearly inappropriate.
2. As I suggested in the talk pages, rather than using the words "LGBT's deconstruction of marriage and attack on chastity" or the words "He is also a critic of... growth of LGBT rights" (which is a biased misrepresentation), the most neutral point of view in describing the cardinal's position would be to use his own words.
3. I used "slander" in the general sense of making false and damaging statements about someone.
4. Regarding Wikipedia's edit-warring policy, it should also be noted that Ezium23 and Mean as custard had also attributed the direct quote before Contaldo80 repeatedly modified it with his own wording.

Cr7777777 (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Presenting a person's views in their own words is not presenting them from an unbiased or neutral point of view: it is presenting them from that person's point of view. Very often, people's own presentation of themselves is heavily biased, especially in the case of people who express contentious and controversial points of view. Wikipedia does not exist in order to publicise people's own way of viewing themselves: that is what people's own web sites, Facebook pages, etc etc are for. Wikipedia policy is that we present them as they are shown in most reliable third party, independent sources. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:25, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

The Wikipedia sentence in question is attempting to describe the position Cardinal Sarah staked out in his speech at the recent Synod. The most neutral way to inform readers of Cardinal Sarah's position is to quote him directly on the matter. A biased editor should not reword the cardinal's quote in a contentious way that misrepresents the cardinal's view. Cr7777777 (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Why don't you set out here nice and clearly what a "western homosexual ideology" is. Assume a reader doesn't know what this term means - what do you understand by it? Here's your chance to enlighten us. If Sarah's comments are so easy to understand then the task shouldn't be hard. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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GAB^Hello! 15:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)