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If read; resolution of International Court of Justice in 1975, about Western Sahara, this court reconoce that Morroco isnt heirless of Almohades,Almoravides,Wattasides,Marinids....Moi 13:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC) <small>unsigned comment by [[User:Bokpasa]]</small>
If read; resolution of International Court of Justice in 1975, about Western Sahara, this court reconoce that Morroco isnt heirless of Almohades,Almoravides,Wattasides,Marinids....Moi 13:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC) <small>unsigned comment by [[User:Bokpasa]]</small>


Hi Hitler! ,,, vandalismo isn`t put here [[image_flag = Flag of Morocco.svg]]] , its thre , you are pro-Morroco, and hate saharawis


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Being subject to some considerable buffing and POV pushing - can you have a look please? 86.27.55.184 13:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Necesito un favor

Hola Svest, Necesito pedirte un favor. Hace ya tiempo subi una foto del coche de mi ex novia. Esta tarde me ha sonado el móvil y resulta que era ella para quejarse de la foto. Me parece bastante absurdo porque incluso borré la matrícula por si acaso, pero aún así no está muy convencida. El caso es que tengo demasiados dolores de cabeza ahora mismo como para tener que preocuparme también por algo así. He intentado borrar la foto pero como no soy un admin no puedo hacerlo. Te agradecería muchísimo si la pudieras borrar por mi. Ya intentaría encontrar yo una foto alternativa para el artículo luego. Saludos, E Asterion u talking to me? 23:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No te preocupes, ya he colgado una foto nueva. La pena es que la calidad es bastante inferior pues está hecha con la cámara del móvil... E Asterion u talking to me? 07:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback

FayssalF, Do you have any feedback here[1]? we are trying to write a mannual of style. Thanks --Aminz 04:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV organisation

I appreciate that you've read my comments, but the organisation you have made is one that gives undue weight to Robert Fisk (who shouldn't be included at all when we are reducing citations from HRW and Amnesty, and in general creates unnecessary subsectins and confusion. Please revert and we can discuss exactly what to do, but the edit as it stands now is certainly not endorsed by me. TewfikTalk

Well since I have your attention, someone keeps changing the Lebanese casualty range from that supported by sources (and agreed on by myself and Iorek on Talk). A reversion would be appreciated. TewfikTalk 17:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can't check the Talk yet, but I may have been mistaken. Thanks anyways, TewfikTalk 18:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please look at the reinstatement of the POV organisation. He is open to discussion, but I can't do it now. TewfikTalk 19:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bother you again, but re: our previous discussion, what do you think about the Peter Bouckaert quote? TewfikTalk 21:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted history

Sorry for any inconvenience. The page froze, and took so long to load (despite a few attempts) that I went off and had dinner and came back later. It's back now, anyway. And by the way, before I deleted the page, it was unprotected from edits and fully protected from moves. The deletion, of course, undid all protection. I see that you've just semi-protected, so in order to respect that and to undo the effects of the deletion, I've changed it to semi-protection for edits and full protection for moves. Regards. AnnH 19:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict polls

Yeah, imagine having an actual discussion and vote as the headers imply. Craziness!--Peephole 20:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Muhammad

Why don't you simply stop being a pain in the neck?!
Read the footnote and kindly accept the indubitable historical fact that Muhammad established the religion of Islam!
Editorius 10:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as this point is concerned, there is absolutely nothing left that needs to be discussed again — period. You tactically (mis)use the "NPOV policy" as a pretext in order to cover up the historical facts ideologically. Once again, the formulation you happen to disagree with is scientifically impeccable; so be so prudent as to refrain from becoming a real pain!--Editorius 11:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On Pape's Characterisation as 3 campaigns

Have you read Pape's book? In it he documents 3 distinct campaigns. This is his view. I am verifiably reporting his view. Therefore, you have no right to revert the edit.

  • 1983-1984 against the US and France - 5 separate acts
  • 1982-1985 against Israel - 11 separate acts
  • 1985-1985 against Israel and South Lebanon Army - 20 separate acts

That is 3 separate campaigns, of which the incidents you mention were 2 acts.

Would you kindly revert your latest edit please?

Jonexsyd 11:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per your request, I have updated with a specific, verifiable, page reference.

Jonexsyd 12:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jonexsyd's recent edits

Hi.

I made two edits. I moved it from the Ideology section to the "Stance on the use of terrorist acts" segment because it was out of place where it was. Having done that I realised the text quoted was identical to the text quoted in the paragraph immediately above.

Please review my edits carefully and tell me if you disagree?

Jonexsyd 12:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3RR warning

You have violated 3RR by reverting 2006 Qana airstrike 4 times in the last 24 hours. Please take a short break from editing this article, or you will be reported and blocked. Isarig 17:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have twice added "alleged" to the captions of IDF video, and have an additional 2 edits in the last 24 hours in which your own edit summary says it is a revert. Take a break. Isarig 17:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please acquaint yourself with WP:3RR. On my Talk page you admit to twice adding "alleged" to the captions of IDF video, but claim that "that's not a revert edit." WP:3RR very clearly and explictly says "A revert may involve as little as adding or deleting a few words or even one word. Your other two edits are self-described by you as reverts. I have been very civil with you and gave you some friendly advice. If you choose to interpret that as a threat, don't go whining when you are reported. Take a break from editing that page.Isarig 18:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

A Barnstar!
The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

Thanks for the quick ban of the vandal on Scanner (musical group), really quick --James086 13:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realise you hadn't banned him/her, oh well you can keep the Barnstar.
Ok, well if they are temporarily stopped, they probably (hopefully) won't come back.

Wide dispersal pattern weapons

Hi Fayssal,

The HRW report about Israeli cluster bombs and Hezbollah ball-bearings was removed due to space constraints to [[Targeting of civilian areas in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict#Use of wide dispersal pattern weapons. While I don't think there is any reason to restore it to the main page (we really are tight on room, and there are basic HRW, Amnesty Int'l, etc statements), if it is, it should be in the vetted, NPOV form included there (which includes both issues. Let me know what you think. Cheers, TewfikTalk 17:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If balance is the concern, then we should use a neutral description of the HRW report - one that mentions both problems. I only suggest using the one above because it was in the main article for a time (until space demanded it be removed), and is consensus/NPOV. I'm not sure what these two claims would add to balance of the article specifically. Human-sheilds is its own issue; balance would be including claims of Israeli use of human shields, not just reporting something else critical of Israel. If we took this path, we would end up restoring all of the numerous reports and supposed violations on both sides. (What did Avraham do? =D) Let me know, TewfikTalk 17:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again, and sorry for unilatterally removing before getting your response, however I'm still not sure why anything other than the version at 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict#Use of wide dispersal pattern weapons should be inserted, or why the set of claims should be inserted at all. It doesn't balance the human shield section, but adds a new section. Let me know, TewfikTalk 18:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm not in Israel, though I appreciate your concern . My family is originally from Iraq as well as Palestine and Israel, and I'm currently studying in the West. TewfikTalk 18:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I apologise for the faulty link/s, take a look at this (Targeting of civilian areas in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict#Use of wide dispersal pattern weapons), and then maybe my comments will make more sense =D. TewfikTalk 18:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Feel free to paste this all to the Talk; I just have few words right now) It may well need to be removed and replaced with a short but detailed summary of all the claims, but I think with the amount of claims and counter-claims, that may get unwieldy. In the meantime, if you feel that the wide pattern weapon claims are important enough to merit their own inclusion, then it should be the NPOV and vetted (its a great word) version that I linked to. As an entirely separate note, I'm not sure how you see this as providing balance, as if the pair of claims are added, then any percieved imbalance in the shields section will still exist. Let me know, TewfikTalk 18:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My main issue is that the NPOV version of the HRW statement, that dealt with both Israeli and Hezbollah actions, should be used. I say NPOV, because it was up on the main page for a long time and went through many revisions to reach its current state. I'm getting the feeling we may be talking about different things.

My secondary point isn't one of content (at least I don't percieve it as such =D). It is that while the human shields claim may be given undue prominence in the main, I'm not sure what distinguishes the wide-dispersal weapon critiques from the other half-dozen critiques. I think that a detailed but short summary may be in order. To that effect, general accusations of mutual war-crimes are already mentioned under UN and HRW sections. Let me know, TewfikTalk 19:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After you . TewfikTalk 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've only had good experiences when in discussion with you. I'm glad you are part of this article. TewfikTalk 19:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I meant that the facts' presentation was skewed by having a separate section for the critique on Israel, while merging Hezbollah critiques, especially as HRW saw fit to analyse the two issues (cluster-bombs, ball-bearings) under one subheading. Cheers, TewfikTalk 17:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That would be true if all claims for each side were relegated to their relative sections, but as it stands now, there are multiple sections dealing with Israel, and one dealing with Hezbollah. As an aside, while HRW makes individual detailed reports for each of these problems, they deal with both issues under a single heading in their summary. I find this to be an extremely important issue. If the information is presented, it must be balanced. I await your reply, TewfikTalk 17:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Advance warnings of attacks by Israel
  • Allegations and criticism of cluster bombs used by Israel

VS

  • Allegations of Hezbollah's use of human shields and shrapnel in weapons

and while I think the pilots can go either way (and don't care if the section is included or not), you end up with two section on Israel, and one section that deals with two claims on Hezbollah. If you like, I can separate the two and add more details, as there was also an HRW report dedicated only to the ball-bearings, and then we could have four medium-sized sections. But that isn't good for size, and frankly, I don't see how presenting the two (cluster & bearings) together is unbalanced, especially coming from an organisation like HRW. Let me know, TewfikTalk 18:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thats fine, but why do you think I err? What do you think of the points I raised in the last comment? I'd much rather understand why you believe I'm wrong than merely disengage. Let me know (if you've the patience ), TewfikTalk 22:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Happy editing, TewfikTalk 22:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And in return

I have no idea what I did to deserve such a pleasant surprise, but thank you 8-D. -- Avi 17:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I really appreciate that. It bolsters my faith in the wiki process when I interact with intellectually honest people that can come to a consensus, that while not perfect, is at least mutually agreed upon as accurate, representative, and balanced. I look forward to working with you further :) -- Avi 19:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read3r's Star

Hi Fyssal, i wonder how old you have to be to learn all those languages you can use. But i won't ask there about. I've another question. Do you know alot about the pre-islamic beliefs of Morocco? ...Before I forget, this is my Star:

Read3r 17:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User pages

There is no need to create other users' pages for them unless there's a significant reason for it; if users wish to have red links for their user pages, that's just as well. --Emufarmers(T/C) 19:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Excuse me

Salam

Your last edition is mised because of interfere between editions. I apologize you.--Accessible 10:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting for the Israel Lebanon conflict - Strikes in civilian areas

I removed the headers because we're trying to keep the article as short as possible, and they don't really add anything but length. I don't think the three groups need to be separated, since they are all similar. Can I ask why you separate them out? --Iorek85 10:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's a very important section; I'm not asking to cut any of the information out, just the headers that you've put in, leaving the content in, like as it was here. I didn't remove the content. --Iorek85 10:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aisha

I am not sure what your edit here accomplished or what was the intent. The quote that you deleted referred to her virginity, so unless you beleive she was not a virgin when the marraige was consumated it would probably be appropiate to reinsert that quote beside the citation it was attached to but left behind after your edit and now seems to be a citation for a totally different thing i.e her being 9 when she was married. I will leave it to you to fix for now.--Tigeroo 13:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The quote is referenced, so it is allowed since it sourced as long the person claiming it has likely reviewed other sources and can be deemed enough of an authority to do make a statement such as that after a review of sources. Do you dispute his claim? or do you have reason to dispute his claim? I agree that I am not sure what purpose the sentence serves or even if it is important enough for inclusion, but I was more curious on seeing why you beleive he is not either a) qualified to make such a statement after an approporiate review of sources b) the statement is factually incorrect.--Tigeroo 06:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tigeroo, Well, I think the reason was clear. There were no mention that "Aisha stayed in her parents' home till she had reached puberty." Being virgin was not the point of that quote. The point was that Muhammad didn't marry with Aisha when she hadn't reached puberty; this is what the quote was supposed to say. Putting it in that context in front of what critics say was not a good idea in my mind. I think FayssalF was right in removing the quote from where it was, but it was much better if he could have moved it to somewhere else. --Aminz 06:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Islamofascism

Yes, I do. I moved it to Islamofascism (term) to make sure it was only the term that was discussed, but sadly it didn't stay that way. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Care to comment?

There is a discussion on Roles of non-combatant State and non-State actors in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict talkpage about the inclusion of detail for Israel. I am of the view that Israel should be included but the detail is being continually removed by User:Tewfik.

Tewfik's argument is what he considers the illegality of Hezbollah under UN 1559 as the reason he removed the detail. However, Tewfik has not removed recent requests of arms sales to Israel such as jet fuel and GBU-28's. I believe he is pushing the POV that aid to Israel is only in response to the current crisis or the illegality of Hezbollah under 1559. US aid to Israel is in fact a long standing agreement responsible for the size and makeup of the IDF. Without the aid they would not have a military capable of engaging in conflict. If you can take a look and support my position (was working under 82.29.227.171) that would be great. RandomGalen 11:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Fisk references

I don't see the problem: I used the same reference for both statements (the general one about hate mail and the one about the Malkovich incident). This is fine; references could be reused. Not to say that perhaps those statements couldn't be better written, but that's a different kettle of fisk. So I didn't actually remove anything; that second reference was the same as the one I inserted as a proper {{cite web}} reference. OK? +ILike2BeAnonymous 18:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion without any given reason

According to what speedy deletion criterion did you speedily delete Arabic sandwich after a mere 27 minutes of AFD discussion? Neither your deletion summary nor the closure notice that you added to the AFD discussion say. Uncle G 00:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hagarism

Why did you lock this Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World? There is a healthy debate going on regarding this article , but no reason to lock the page , as demonstrated by the fact thgat there was not edits for 16 hours until tigeroo came along making his own edits then asking you to lock the page, which you did and to his version. --CltFn 00:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The edits before I came along flat out look like a revert war to me. I've been the following "discussion" for a while without interfering, but the sudden flurry of rv's and disputed edits made me step in and refer it. if the others agree it was only a healthy discussion we can open it back up, I have no issues, but maybe that discussion should be take up there?--Tigeroo 12:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

AfD closures

Are you an administrator? If yes, could I ask why you're not deleting pages you're closing as speedy deleted? If not, could I ask why you're doing the closures in the first place? It's quite misleading to see a closed AfD that hasn't been deleted. Thanks. theProject 01:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have the inverse problem as well; if you speedy an article that was on AfD; please close the AfD nom. Peyna 03:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And how does one talk to you

Seems like you are trying to quite ppl down if their views dont match yours??? And how do i get to talk to you? unsigned comment by User:DE1

I noticed you were the one who reverted the AfD tag on Daniel Brandt, although, its already made it to AfD. I've requested a speedy keep, and I'd like to know if you wouldnt mind closing. SynergeticMaggot 01:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hardee67's block

Why did you choose to limit it to 48 hours?? He might come back, nomination more unnecessary Afd nominations. Georgia guy 01:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you wouldn't mind cleaning up the mess you left after blocking this user and removing all of the AfD tags he left behind, otherwise a lot of users are going to be engaging in fruitless AfD discussions. Peyna 02:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Material has been copied from http://experts.about.com/e/m/mu/Muhammad.htm.

It's the other way around. Replied at the article talk page. -- Szvest 02:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi FayssalF, I just want to let you know that I've just re-inserted the illustration you just removed from the article, as I feel it's a very good illustration to what has been going on - if you know what I mean. I've just completed a major re-edit of the article, although the introduction needs a bit more work (it's very poor at the moment), and perhaps the article would do with a better name eventually, as it's mainly about the calls for ceasefire and piece, rather than the negotiations. Regards Thomas Blomberg 02:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Morroco

Hi!, I`m write because , you always reverts my changes:

If read; resolution of International Court of Justice in 1975, about Western Sahara, this court reconoce that Morroco isnt heirless of Almohades,Almoravides,Wattasides,Marinids....Moi 13:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC) unsigned comment by User:Bokpasa


Hi Hitler! ,,, vandalismo isn`t put here image_flag = Flag of Morocco.svg] , its thre , you are pro-Morroco, and hate saharawis

Ref

I think you mistakenly reverted an inserted ref. If I'm missing something, let me know. TewfikTalk 16:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

God vs Allah

Because of your previous activity with regard to your topic, I thought I'd let you know that there is a poll going on at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)/God vs Allah. It'd be great if you could vote. Thanks! Starwarp2k2 04:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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