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::I will respond fully to this in a few days when I have access to a computer. In the meantime, I think it was clear in my edit summary that this is referring to a pre-1948 village, so "Palestinian" is meaningless in terms of the ethnicity of the villagers - "Arab" is clear, correct amd was the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. [[1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine]]). [[User:Number 57|<font color="orange">Number</font>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<font color="green">5</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<font color="blue">7</font>]] 07:06, 5 January 2017 (UTC) |
::I will respond fully to this in a few days when I have access to a computer. In the meantime, I think it was clear in my edit summary that this is referring to a pre-1948 village, so "Palestinian" is meaningless in terms of the ethnicity of the villagers - "Arab" is clear, correct amd was the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. [[1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine]]). [[User:Number 57|<font color="orange">Number</font>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<font color="green">5</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<font color="blue">7</font>]] 07:06, 5 January 2017 (UTC) |
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:::That it was "the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. [[1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine]])" is simply not relevant; we don't call, say [[Willa Brown]] a "negro" (even though she [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%22Willa_Beatrice_Brown,_a_31-year-old_Negro_American,_serves_her_country_by_training_pilots_for_the_U.S._Army_Air_Forces._-_NARA_-_535717.jpg was called so in the 1940s]), we call her [[African Americans|African-American]]. It is really insulting to continue to insist on calling the Palestinian villages for "Arab", when the [[WP:RS]] calls them Palestinian. I'm willing to go for a RFC on this, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC) |
:::That it was "the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. [[1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine]])" is simply not relevant; we don't call, say [[Willa Brown]] a "negro" (even though she [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%22Willa_Beatrice_Brown,_a_31-year-old_Negro_American,_serves_her_country_by_training_pilots_for_the_U.S._Army_Air_Forces._-_NARA_-_535717.jpg was called so in the 1940s]), we call her [[African Americans|African-American]]. It is really insulting to continue to insist on calling the Palestinian villages for "Arab", when the [[WP:RS]] calls them Palestinian. I'm willing to go for a RFC on this, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 20:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC) |
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::::To compare using "Arab" with "negro" is one of the most derisory arguments I've ever heard made in this topic area, and the bar had been set pretty low. Almost as bad as is picking a source that uses the terminology you want and insisting that it's therefore what we should use (I recall this being a tactic of an editor who is thankfully no longer active). Given the dominance of pro-Palestinian editors in this sphere, an RfC is useless unless it's limited to outside editors, otherwise the outcome is a foregone conclusion. [[User:Number 57|<font color="orange">Number</font>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<font color="green">5</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<font color="blue">7</font>]] 12:04, 6 January 2017 (UTC) |
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Palestinian vs Arab
- To editor Number 57: Ok, you change from Palestinian village to Arab village, with the edit line: "Clarify; all villages pre-1948 were Palestinian" (which did not clarify anything for me....)
- Now, the one source about this (Khalidi) is called "All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948." It is not called "All That Remains: The Arab Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948," or "All That Remains: The Arab Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948".
- We should follow what WP:RS calls them, surely? And to say that all Palestinian are Arab, is a bit like saying that all Englishmen are European; we don't go around changing all "English" identities into "European", do we? Huldra (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
- I will respond fully to this in a few days when I have access to a computer. In the meantime, I think it was clear in my edit summary that this is referring to a pre-1948 village, so "Palestinian" is meaningless in terms of the ethnicity of the villagers - "Arab" is clear, correct amd was the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine). Number 57 07:06, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- That it was "the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine)" is simply not relevant; we don't call, say Willa Brown a "negro" (even though she was called so in the 1940s), we call her African-American. It is really insulting to continue to insist on calling the Palestinian villages for "Arab", when the WP:RS calls them Palestinian. I'm willing to go for a RFC on this, Huldra (talk) 20:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- To compare using "Arab" with "negro" is one of the most derisory arguments I've ever heard made in this topic area, and the bar had been set pretty low. Almost as bad as is picking a source that uses the terminology you want and insisting that it's therefore what we should use (I recall this being a tactic of an editor who is thankfully no longer active). Given the dominance of pro-Palestinian editors in this sphere, an RfC is useless unless it's limited to outside editors, otherwise the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Number 57 12:04, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
- That it was "the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine)" is simply not relevant; we don't call, say Willa Brown a "negro" (even though she was called so in the 1940s), we call her African-American. It is really insulting to continue to insist on calling the Palestinian villages for "Arab", when the WP:RS calls them Palestinian. I'm willing to go for a RFC on this, Huldra (talk) 20:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- I will respond fully to this in a few days when I have access to a computer. In the meantime, I think it was clear in my edit summary that this is referring to a pre-1948 village, so "Palestinian" is meaningless in terms of the ethnicity of the villagers - "Arab" is clear, correct amd was the term commonly used at the time (hence e.g. 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine). Number 57 07:06, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
