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November 22

November 22, 2018 (2018-11-22) (Thursday)
Arts and culture
  • The Leaning Tower of Pisa Surveillance Group reports the structure is leaning less, by 4 cm (1.6 in) over the past two decades. (BBC)

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  • 2017 Jewish Community Center bomb threats
    • An Israeli-American man, Michael Kadar, is sentenced to 10 years in prison in Israel for making 2,000 hoax bomb threats that forced evacuations of Jewish community centers in the United States. The threats, made by phone and email in 2016 and 2017, raised concern that antisemitism was on the rise in the United States. (Reuters)
  • Chinese state media report that five people are killed and 18 others are injured after a car plowed into children outside a primary school in Huludao, Liaoning, China. (Toronto Star)
  • Me Too movement in South Korea
    • Lee Jae-rock, a South Korean pastor and leader of Manmin Central Church, is sentenced to 15 years in prison over 42 counts of sexual harassment and sexual assault against eight of his followers. According to the Seoul Central District Court, the victims could not resist his advances "due to their absolute faith in the infallibility of the accused." (CNN)

Science and technology

Sports


CIA/Jamal Khashoggi wiretap

Article: Killing of Jamal Khashoggi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ CIA possesses record of wiretapped phone call between MBS and KBS giving the order to silence Jamal Khashoggi as soon as possible (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Article needs updating

 Count Iblis (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 21

November 21, 2018 (2018-11-21) (Wednesday)
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RD: Jose Peralta

Article: Jose Peralta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: US politician. Article looks to be in pretty decent shape - Dumelow (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Olivia Hooker

Article: Olivia Hooker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.npr.org/2018/11/22/670228544/olivia-hooker-tulsa-race-riot-survivor-dies-at-103
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully sourced MurielMary (talk) 11:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Igor Korobov

Article: Igor Korobov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Russian military intelligence chief. Short article but referenced. May need to be expanded. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:41, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Angelica Cob-Baehler

Article: Angelica Cob-Baehler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well sourced and updated article --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Jong Yang election as Interpol president

Article: Kim Jong Yang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Interpol has elected South Korean Kim Jong-yang as its president (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kim Jong Yang is elected president of Interpol
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article is a stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Historical footnote: During WWII, presidents of Interpol included such sterling characters as Heydrich and Kaltenbrunner. – Sca (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly has become one of the most over-used words in the English language. Sca (talk) 18:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose not convinced this is sufficiently notable. The organization isn't that big (756 employees in 2013) and the position is largely ceremonial. That this made the news this time is because of the political dimension, which isn't insignificant, but doesn't seem enough to override the afore-mentioned problems. Banedon (talk) 22:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 20

November 20, 2018 (2018-11-20) (Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

2018 Brussels stabbing attack

  • A policeman is stabbed near the Grand Place in Brussels historic centre by a man carrying two small kitchen knives. The attacker is shot in the chest and in a critical condition while the policeman suffers non-life threatening injuries. (ABCNEWS)

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RD: James H. Billington

Article: James H. Billington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/obituaries/james-billington-dead.html
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Librarian of Congress and historian Gamaliel (talk) 20:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nikola Gruevski asylum case

Article: Nikola Gruevski (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski is granted asylum in Hungary. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: I think the granting of asylum of a former head of government is notable enough to warrant an inclusion. Article need a few more citations but other than that looks good to go. EternalNomad (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Africa's First High-Speed Train

Stale. Stephen 22:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kenitra–Tangier high-speed rail line (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Africa's first high-speed rail line was inaugurated by King Mohammed VI of Morocco (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Africa's first high-speed rail line was inaugurated by King Mohammed VI of Morocco.
News source(s): (CNN) (REUTERS) (AllAfrica)
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Nominator's comments: This is a significant milestone in terms of development for a continent that has seen rapid infrastructure development over the past decade but never a high speed rail line. Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 13:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rather nice story. Support. --Tone 15:10, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I want to support this (broadly that the topic is the type of ITN interest) but have questions exactly why this date: Nov 16 seems to be the date the line was inaugurated, and I can't tell if they have actually opened the line for passengers (not testing). Further, the article needs a bunch of tense adjustments since the construction is now all in the past. --Masem (t) 15:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is not updated sufficiently. Kenitra–Tangier high-speed rail line contains no information since December 2010 in the body of the article. The lead contains a bare sentence that just says it was completed in 2018. Needs some expansion work on the building and opening of the line in order to be main page ready. Presumably, the news sources reported about the opening itself, ceremonies, the first train leaving, etc. etc. Find those sources, expand the article, and then we can post this on the main page. --Jayron32 15:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Change to full support without reservations. Great job on the article improvements. There is no problem with this appearing on the main page now.--Jayron32 04:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Jayron. Article is far too thin for such a major undertaking. "The project was completed in 2018" – This sentence, offered twice, doesn't constitute a sufficient update. Sca (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality - "construction underway"... on the first segment... "It was completed in 2018". The blurb isn't even in the article! I can't update sources with a smart phone, but the 3 refs above can add plenty of updates, along with a tense change as needed. - Floydian τ ¢ 18:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per Tone but I feel like this is the wrong date also (and it should be 15 November, per the article). Banedon (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response - I've updated the article. The lead should be a lot clearer. I also added a list of stations, clarified the scope of the project, services offered and projected, costs and international partners.Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to this source, the ceremonial opening was all that took place, and regular service has not begun, but is scheduled to before the end of the year. It would probably make more sense to wait until then to post it, with hopefully a better article, especially because the ceremony having taken place on the 15th makes it older than the current oldest story on the main page. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But when that happens it will be argued that it should have been posted now, and/or that it's no longer in the news, or basically stale, etc.Tlhslobus (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That may be true, although I doubt it, since opposition is mainly based on article quality. But I don't think the article is even eligible to be posted at this point since events are posted chronologically and there is no longer room for it on the template, so any discussion at this point is pretty much moot. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 03:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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November 19

November 19, 2018 (2018-11-19) (Monday)
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(Closed) First ship commissioned for the Kenyan Coast Guard

Has been withdrawn (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kenya Coast Guard Service (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first ship of the Kenya Coast Guard Service is commissioned (Post)
News source(s): (Kenya Standard) (BBC)
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Nominator's comments: The Coast Guard was brought into being on 22 October 2018 but the first ship was commissioned on 19 November. Perhaps not the biggest of stories but I found it interesting. Dumelow (talk) 10:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn Thanks for the feedback all. I've expanded it a bit and stuck it into DYK - Dumelow (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Larry Pickering

Article: Larry Pickering (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Controversial Australian cartoonist. Article is fully referenced - Dumelow (talk) 10:23, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerry O'Malley

Article: Gerry O'Malley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Province
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is short, but well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alí Rodríguez Araque

Article: Alí Rodríguez Araque (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan politician and diplomat. Died while in office, he was the current ambassador of Venezuela to Cuba. Jamez42 (talk) 09:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 18

November 18, 2018 (2018-11-18) (Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Boko Haram fighters loyal to ISIS attacked a military base in the Nigerian town of Metele, killing at least 118 soldiers while at least 153 others were missing after the attack, the militants also seized tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, weapons, and ammunition (Reuters)
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(Posted) RD: Peter Peryer

Article: Peter Peryer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealand photographer. Article perhaps needs a little attention but I think it's good enough to post - Dumelow (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Héctor Beltrán Leyva

Article: Héctor Beltrán Leyva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican drug lord. Article in reasonably good shape - Dumelow (talk) 10:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series

Article: 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In auto racing, Joey Logano wins the 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In auto racing, Joey Logano wins the NASCAR Cup Series championship.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In stock car racing, Joey Logano wins the NASCAR Cup Series.
News source(s): Motor Racing Network, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Dough4872 00:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I know its formally called that title, but given that the sponsorship of the event has changed, but otherwise is the "NASCAR Cup Series", I'd rather see us drop the forced commercial if we can. --Masem (t) 01:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in fine shape, prose summaries of races are sufficient, everything is well referenced. Prefer Altblurb for the same reasons noted above. The year is obvious (cuz we're in that year) and the sponsorship is ephemeral and inconsequential. This is the NASCAR Cup championship, and any additional text is unneeded here. --Jayron32 03:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost ready. The race reports look good, but the 'changes' section is largely unreferenced, as are several of the tables. Modest Genius talk 11:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added another altblurb, which specifies the type of racing and avoids WP:COMMONALITY problems. Modest Genius talk 12:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jennie Stoller

Article: Jennie Stoller (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/nov/18/jennie-stoller-obituary
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 09:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 17

November 17, 2018 (2018-11-17) (Saturday)
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(Closed) George III's health

This isn't going to get any traction, but feel free, without prejudice, to re-open if anyone thinks it might. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:26, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: George III of the United Kingdom (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The mystery of George III’s illness has been plaguing historians for centuries. With the release of these records, the mystery has been laid to rest. (Post)
News source(s): People.com
Credits:

May somebody please help me with the format. Here is the link to my source. https://people.com/royals/palace-releases-hamilton-king-george-iiis-mental-health-records/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainAhab1841 (talk • contribs)

  • I think you're misunderstanding this story (the People headline is misleading, so it's their fault rather than yours). We've known for decades that his condition was Porphyria, as it's a hereditary condition and the genetic markers appear in his descendants; what was published last week was the details of the treatments that were tried. This is a non-story. ‑ Iridescent 22:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • George III's health I've heard rumors that he is not well. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Alyque Padamsee

Stale. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alyque Padamsee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian Ad film maker. Referncing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Richard Baker

Article: Richard Baker (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent broadcaster Andrew D. (talk) 13:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) San Juan submarine wreckage

Articles: ARA San Juan (S-42) (talk · history · tag) and Disappearance of ARA San Juan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The wreckage of Argentinian submarine San Juan, which disappeared in 2017, is found in the Atlantic Ocean. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Spiegel (in German)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Update is raw, should be expanded. Brandmeistertalk 08:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures)

Article: Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ David Hockney's Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures) sells for more than $90 million, becoming the most expensive auction work by a living artist. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Nominating Portrait of an Artist (Pool with Two Figures), David Hockney's 1972 painting which just sold for $90.3 million dollars, setting the record for a sale of a work by a living artist. (my first visit to this page) Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, fair use does not extend to the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a logical reason for that? (Presumably that also means it could never appear at TFA). Would an image of Hockney be suitable instead (except that we don't have one, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per the Foundation's requirement to keep fair-use to a minimum, fair-use is only allowed in article space (WP:NFCC#9). This has been the case for many years. It's unfortunate we don't have a free image of Hockney, but he has been a very private person for a long time, so I suppose it's not surprising. Black Kite (talk) 15:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Martinevans123 and I can buy/beg/steal a box of crayons and put together an adequate rendition. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Only more for the TFA idea, a picture of the Case Study House #21 that inspired this painting would be a fair free-license replacement. I wouldn't use such for ITN (too many additional words to explain the connection) but in a TFA blurb, there's room to discuss the house as inspiration. --Masem (t) 15:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To Martin, yes it would not be eligible to appear at TFA, which is quite often the case as to why TFA sometimes runs without an image. While it's a requirement of FAC to have at least one image, it can be a fair use image which cannot subsequently be used on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it is best that there isn't an image of the painting or anything related to it in the "In the news" section, because once someone reads that the odds are probably quite high that they are going to click through just to have a look at the painting. It is presented well at the page, which is being improved and added to at a rapid rate. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not allowing fair-use material on the Main Page is a stupid rule that prioritises licence-free content over building an encyclopaedia. Main Page is in article space anyway. Whenever anyone points that out they get shouted down with an WP:AAJ, but the practice been in place so long that inertia has fixed it in place. Modest Genius talk 14:15, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good point Modest Genius, and maybe a discussion at the WikiProject visual arts talk page could also get more input and strategic information comments about how to "make it so". Front page use isn't a constant presence, so it's not a permanent usage of a copyrighted image. The Picture of the Day section would, of course, gain the most of such an extension of fair use, and open the door to information-sharing about many historical artworks (viewing and describing Guernica, some of Frida Kahlo's paintings, and thousands of others would be quite beneficial to Wikipedia readers). Thanks for raising this question. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the main page would strongly benefit from being able to use such fair use images. This isn't the place to discuss that really, we should find a more central location to thrash that out (and not a Wikiproject either). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The logical way to discuss it seems to be by creating a new section at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free content (and pinging those involved here, except me as I know nothing about the issue), as a Redirect ensures that Talk page covers suggested changes to both Wikipedia:Non-free content (including Wikipedia:Non-free content#Exemptions) and to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria (including WP:NFCC#9, which you might want to try to change to say "and only in article namespace, including the Main Page"). Tlhslobus (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, the reason we don't have non-free allowed on the main page came originally from Jimmy Wales circa 2007, which afterwards led to the formation of the basis of our current non-free content policy (specific in limiting non-free to main space. Main Page is considered a portal, I understand from these discussions. See [3] from 2013 and links included in that. --Masem (t) 23:00, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 16

November 16, 2018 (2018-11-16) (Friday)
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(Stale) RD: Zhores Medvedev

stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 16:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Zhores Medvedev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vedomosti
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Prominent Soviet scientist, dissident. Openlydialectic (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: William Goldman

stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 16:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: William Goldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning screenwriter, article needs some work, but not beyond saving... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Khmer Rouge leaders guilty of genocide

Articles: Khieu Samphan (talk · history · tag) and Nuon Chea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A tribunal finds Khmer Rouge leaders Nuon Chea and Khieu Samphan guilty of genocide. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Significant news as the tribunal has been on-going for 20 years and these are the only people alive who faced a charge for the Cambodian genocide. Genocide convictions are historical. Pudeo (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment trying to check refs in BLP articles is tough when the refs are print books and no page number is in the citation. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Nuon Chea article has about 1/3 of it's content from a single source, a compilation of excerpts from "Soviet Archives" by a guy named Dmitry Mosyakov. The link at yale.edu is dead, but if you Google the exact title you'll find PDFs from alternate sources. The content in question isn't mundane either, I think it should be stricken if the article is posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Khieu Samphan is better, nothing really outrageous in it. There is a lot sourced to "A Biographical Encyclopedia of Contemporary Genocide: Portraits of Evil and Good." but without page numbers (I don't have access to a university library to check them anyway). Still it's probably ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:15, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • The tribunal article itself has a pile of detail about the administrative organization of the tribunal which I don't think matters that much. I had to orange tag the list of judges, and added a few CNs here and there. The details about the individual defendants seem ok. I didn't read the controversies section yet, it's late here. If you post this, the tribunal should be the only bold link and needs cleaning up first. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I added multipled citations to the tribunal article and removed some unsourced information.[4] As for the biographies, they seem ok to me, although not close to GA status or anything like that. I have no preference whether the tribunal or the biographies are bolded. --Pudeo (talk) 09:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle. An important (though long-delayed) conviction of a major genocide. Could we get a link to Cambodian genocide into the blurb somewhere? I've not had time to assess the updates or article quality. Modest Genius talk 12:51, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the merits; I think that war crimes convictions are generally notable. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - genocide convictions are notable starship.paint ~ KO 03:27, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. This seems really only a technicality. As I understand it, they are both already serving life for crimes against humanity. This genocide conviction merely covers the small fraction of their victims who were not ethnically Cambodian (such as Vietnamese, etc). Even if it were nevertheless deemed notable it might then be quite difficult to get a blurb that does not mislead our readers by overstating the importance of the event, thus damaging Wikipedia by giving some of our readers the impression that we use misleading clickbait. Tlhslobus (talk) 04:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just disagree with the clickbait-thing as it was the #1 news article on BBC's frontpage when I posted it. It's true that they have already been serving a life sentence since 2014 for crimes against humanity, but the genocide convction is notable as well and also the main question of this UN-supported tribunal. Previously it also has been opinionated that it wasn't a genocide. Actually, the BBC article that's linked has a chapter on "Why is the genocide verdict significant?" --Pudeo (talk) 16:06, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not some of our readers get the impression that it is clickbait will have nothing to do with what the BBC news website looked like 2 days earlier, since they will not be aware of that. And just because the BBC claims that its own story is significant doesn't necessarily mean that it is, let alone that it is ITN-worthy (which the BBC story presumably does NOT claim, even for posting at the time, let alone for posting two days later), nor that our readers will see it as such (nor that we need see it as such). Indeed the very fact that the BBC have to explain why it is supposedly significant suggests that they realize that many of their readers will understandably not see it as significant (and they can explain that in their news items more easily than we can do so in our articles, as they don't have to be NPOV, RS-based NOR, and encyclopedic - it would be totally unencyclopedic, POV, and OR for us to try to tell our readers why this story is ITN-worthy, if only because there will not be a single RS discussing whether it is ITN-worthy). Meanwhile quite likely we have another reason for not posting, namely that it's gone stale. Tlhslobus (talk) 21:34, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: Sri Lankan constitutional crisis

Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Per WP:ERRORS and the multiple updates that the current blurb has received, it seems clear that this will be an indefinitely ongoing event. WaltCip (talk) 11:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment this is already the top story at ITN. This will, once it finally gets to the bottom, be reassessed at the time and added to Ongoing automatically should the admin doing the update decide to do so. Do we need this nomination as well as all that? The Rambling Man (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    My concern is that, if any future updates to this story occur, the blurb will be bumped to the top again as well as updated. We have never allowed that sort of treatment for any other ongoing event. In any case, the ITN photo has been the same person (on and off) for a while now (with Stan Lee to briefly interrupt), and I'm a little leery about having another Lugo on the main page. WaltCip (talk) 13:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    So part of your concern is that you're tired of seeing the picture?? There're scripts that can hide it for you. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I think we have bumped items whose blurbs have changed notably during running. But we don't have to. And as this moves down the page, it'll gravitate into Ongoing. Why wouldn't we apply this same logic to the forest fires? That hit the news again today, "California wildfires: Number of missing leaps to 631" which significantly changes the landscape on that story. So should we re-work the hook, bump it up, or put it in Ongoing until the fires are handled? It looks no different to the Sri Lanka situation. And you could argue the same about the Ebola story..... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removing the blurb and dropping this into ongoing now. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Why on earth would we do that? It's easy to change the blurb should anything major happen. It doesn't mean the blurb needs bumping back to the top. Just let it run its course. As far as I know, we've never demoted an article to Ongoing from blurb like that. If you do this, then you should do the same with the fires in Americuh too. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the blurb rotates off; if the situation is still fluid at that point, and the article receiving frequent updates, then it can move to ongoing. If there's a genuine need to replace the blurb with a different one (rather than tweaking the originally-posted one) then start a new nomination here. Modest Genius talk 12:54, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Leave the blurb to naturally reach the bottom and be obscured, then if the issue is still in the news, nominate for Ongoing, that's how we do it normally and no convincing reason to do otherwise. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Renomination for ongoing is not necessary for all cases; Khashoggi was shifted down without a renom for example. (per WP:ITN: Older stories which are scheduled to roll off the bottom of the list may be added to ongoing at admins' discretion, provided that the linked article is receiving continuous updates with new information on a regular basis.) SpencerT•C 15:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I can agree renomination is not necessary but my main point still stands. We don't pull blurb just to convert it to Ongoing, we let it to reach the bottom, unless it's found not worthy of posting in the first place. Also Khashoggi's case was first posted to Ongoing then changed to Blurb after significant turn of events and a new nomination. So there's quite difference here. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per Modest Genius. Banedon (talk) 01:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (once the blurb rotates off) Looking at the situation on the ground there it looks like there is no solid resolution in sight as of yet. There are still Supreme Court decisions on the events to be handed out in over a months time. Looks like there is still a month or two of this still to play out.--Blackknight12 (talk) 02:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (once the blurb rotates off) per Blackknight12. Crisis is still clearly ongoing and article is still being regularly updated. Tlhslobus (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update this was posted to ongoing by Stephen here. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Proposed redefinition of SI base units

Article: Proposed redefinition of SI base units (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Committee for Weights and Measures confirms new definitions for the kilogram, ampere, kelvin and mole. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The International Committee for Weights and Measures redefines the units kilogram, ampere, kelvin and mole.
News source(s): ABC, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A fundamental change to how units are defined in physics; so quite big science news which is at least partly understandable at the popular level, so I think it is appropriate for ITN. Article looks to be in very good shape, though will need an update if the changes are confirmed. Of course we should not post until it is confirmed (16-Nov-2018), but it seems very likely to, so we might as well be ready. Adpete (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait It hasn't happened yet, it's only expected to happen later today. Wait until it has happened for sure. TheMrP (talk) 00:33, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending vote outcome Article is in good shape outside the result of the vote (and presumably if voted for, it will be moved to "Redefinition of SI base units"). Interesting fundamental science news we don't get to post much about. --Masem (t) 00:36, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Masem. Banedon (talk) 00:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending vote outcome and R.I.P. to Le Grand K. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question I grew up in a metric country, I still find this Good Article to be somewhat inaccessible. Reading it, the definition of a second and a meter are essentially unchanged but the definition of a Kilogram "the current definition defines the kilogram as being the mass of the international prototype kilogram, which is an artefact and not a constant of nature, whereas the new definition relates it to the equivalent mass of the energy of a photon given its frequency, via the Planck constant. " What the hell does that mean? The Planck constant? an "international prototype kilogram"? WTF? If this is adopted, is a kilogram of potatoes going to be larger or smaller than it is now or so negligible that it doesn't matter to anyone who isn't trying to measure the mass of a single molecule? --LaserLegs (talk) 01:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The kilogram is currently defined as the mass of a standard block of metal. See [5] fourth paragraph. Planck's constant is a fundamental constant of nature, and it's related to the energy of a photon by the relation E = hf (E = energy, f = frequency, h is the Planck's constant). If this is adopted, you're not going to notice any differences. The changes are too small to be measurable without highly sophisticated apparatus. Banedon (talk) 02:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC article has a good summary: right now, the only way to confirm the kg is to go to Paris to check against that weight (the Le Grand K). By switching the system to the Planck constant - which can be measured by anyone with a specific type of electromagnetic balance - then all other factors can be used to derive the kg. --Masem (t) 02:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to you both for your explanation. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

November 15

November 15, 2018 (2018-11-15) (Thursday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

International relations

Politics and elections

New supra-kingdom of eukaryotes: Hemimastigophora

Article: Spironemidae (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): CBC, Nature (peer-reviewed article)
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: New biological kingdom appears to have been discovered based on research at Dalhousie University; “as different from other kingdoms as animals are from fungi.” 24.114.224.35 (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Brexit resignations

WP:NAC: consensus is clearly against posting these resignations (only two of which were cabinet-level posts). Many of the comments suggest waiting until either May is deposed or the full parliamentary vote is held. Modest Genius talk 13:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ On November 15, 2018, eight British government officials resign in response to the proposed Brexit deal. (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Do we need another Brexit update? But, eight government resignations in a day. Kingsif (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Roy Clark

stale (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 16:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Roy Clark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Country music hall of fame member. StrikerforceTalk 17:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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