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*Please see the prior section above this one. The use of fair use tagged images on userpages is not permitted per [[Wikipedia:Fair use criteria]] item #9. The images your friend placed on the page that I removed are tagged with fair use tags. Thus, they may not exist on your userpage. Sorry if this bothers you or your friend; no intention to do so. Just working to have pages adhere to our policies. Thanks, --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
*Please see the prior section above this one. The use of fair use tagged images on userpages is not permitted per [[Wikipedia:Fair use criteria]] item #9. The images your friend placed on the page that I removed are tagged with fair use tags. Thus, they may not exist on your userpage. Sorry if this bothers you or your friend; no intention to do so. Just working to have pages adhere to our policies. Thanks, --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Might I request a boon of thee? ==

Hail and well met, friend Durin. I hope this missive find you well. May I request a favor? I am, as you may be aware, a candidate for the Arbitration Committee. I fear that, due to my history, my [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Kelly Martin|questions page]] and (in the future) [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/vote/Kelly Martin|voting page]] may tend to be magnets for incivility and other misconduct. I have, in the past year, come to respect you for your ability to maintain coolness in situations where others might fail to do so (as you may have noted when I commented on your self-RfC some months back). Would you be willing to let bygones be bygones and do me the signal favor of patrolling those pages for uncivil conduct, dealing with any such instances which you might find appropriately? I would be most appreciative.

Thank you for your consideration.

[[User:Kelly Martin|Kelly Martin]] ([[User talk:Kelly Martin|talk]]) 22:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hi

my name is Santo Calarco. You have been actively involved in deleting material that has been sent into wikipedia about me - as recent as August and October this year. How can I find out what the contents of the article were and who it is that is writing about me? I am a minister of religion and would like to talk with this person who obviously has something against me - maybe we can sort this thing out. Anyway, thanks for protecting me from this slanderous information. If you can send me a copy of what was written and any attempted updates that would be great.

Rev Santo Calarco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.229.10.219 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I'm currently undergoing an Editor review, and am trying to get a large amount of replies. I am sending messages to those who left me a message on my talk page as a way of getting the word out. I encourage you to add your two cents to the review! Thanks for your time, and Happy Thanksgiving! FireSpike Editor Review! 21:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ST47 RFA

You accidentally removed Guy's vote [1] - crz crztalk 17:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question about fair use

Durin, you seem to know a lot about fair use policy. Concerning this case, can you tell me who's right (if you're online)? I don't mean who's right about it being 3RR. I mean about images for album covers only being allowed in articles about the album, not articles about the band. I'm sure I could find out if I spent a while researching it, but since you do a lot of work on fair use policy, you might be able to tell me directly. Thanks. AnnH ♫ 21:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is debatable and open to interpretation. By Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #8, it's arguable that the image should not appear on the band's page, but only on the album's page. An example case; it's often been the case that an image of an actor from a particular show is removed from an article on that actor if the image is not being used to directly comment on that actor and the show. This goes contested sometimes, but frequently does not. This is a similar case, but being extended to albums/bands. My own personal take is that this is situation where we'd be ok in a copyright suit. Not definitely, as I am not a lawyer, but I think we would be ok. There's another slant to this; the band is still active. Assuming they are touring, and they probably will with an upcoming 2007 release, getting a free license image is possible; a Wikipedia editor could attend a concert and get one. So, it's fair use...but replaceable. That puts it in a situation where it's presence on the band's page becomes less than rock solid for certain. Personally, I don't see the value in continuing to use the album cover on the band's page. Why not just replace the album cover with the band's logo? That's clearly...clearly allowable under fair use. Heck, I'll do it one better. Since there's no logo available, I'll get one and replace the album cover with it. Hold on. --Durin 21:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • There. Done. Image:TeslaBandLogo.gif at Tesla (band). --Durin 21:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Durin. That's very helpful. Hopefully, the dispute has will die down now. As you see, I've unblocked the user. AnnH ♫ 23:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yep I saw. Probably a good move. The revert war was over, and with the insertion of the logo had near zero chance of re-erupting. I just hope both editors play nice elsewhere :) --Durin 23:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Cool Cat/History

Yo, I want an update ;) I also would like a graph for my commons, tr.wiki, meta pages :)

Furthermore some sort of graph for User:Cool Cat/RfAs would be nice.

--Cat out 23:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't do graphs for commons or any other wiki other then en.wikipedia. As for that, if I find some time...it's been a while since I've done one so it would take some time to learn how to process another one. --Durin 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FU in article space

Fair use is allowed in article name space. Since the main page is part of the article namespace (it's not a template image etc), why have you declared war on the main page nominations? FU images still appear on the main page selected article. Sumoeagle179 04:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Because the use of fair use images on the main page, which is not in the main article namespace, is generally considered to be a mistake and is usually quickly undone. Further, the page on which I was removing the images is a Wikipedia space page, not a main article namespace page. If you have further questions, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --Durin 04:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The main page is in the article namespace because its path is the same as an article .../wiki/Main Page vis a vis .../wiki/Name of article. Furthermore, your argument that FU images rarely appear with the selected article can't quickly be disproven by looking at the articles actually used for any month. The nom page is where the they nom's get listed, so the images need to appear there. Sumoeagle179 04:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that you feel this way. Please observe the following pieces of evidence:

There's other pieces of evidence as well. I can assure you that fair use on the main page is kept to an absolute minimum, and it most definitely is not part of the main article namespace as it itself is not an article on a particular subject. --Durin 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That just tells me you don't know what a namespace is, technically speaking, though you may yourself consider it a separate space for wiki purposes. Where does it say in an official wiki policy, not someone's mere opinion, that FU images should not be on the main page and that it's a separate namespace for wiki purposes? If you can't do that, this is merely another case of wikiadmins and cabalists forcing opinion on others.Sumoeagle179 04:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've pointed out pieces of evidence to you. I'm sorry you disagree with them and wish to characterize them as cabalish behavior. From a strictly technical stand point, yes if you edit the main page it shows up in your edit contributions as a main namespace edit. But, Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9 refers to article namespace. The main page is not an article. It does not cover a particular subject, person, event, etc. In reality, it is simply a portal to the rest of the encyclopedia. While fair use images do occasionally appear on the main page, they are to be kept to a minimum. Further, I did not remove fair use images from the main page. I removed fair use images from a Wikipedia space page. If such images are to be included there, they must at an absolutely minimum be linked to, rather than actually displayed. No argument can be made that Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests is in the main article namespace. Thus, per requirements of Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9, which is policy, the use of such fair use images on that page is not permitted. My removal of the images was, therefore, entirely proper. If you find fault with this, you might wish to bring it up at Wikipedia talk:Fair use and discuss options for having the policy changed. Thanks, --Durin 04:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh come on! Users like you are one reason so many people quit wiki.Sumoeagle179 12:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Re your thread with Raul654--in others words, stop being such a zealot all the time, use some common sense, and stop driving editors away from wiki. Sumoeagle179 23:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • So far you have said "declared war", that I am a "cabalist forcing opinion" on others, people like me are "one reason so many people quit wiki", and that I am a "zealot". Your opinions are noted, and I remind you of Wikipedia:No personal attacks. If you have an issue with fair use policy you may take it up, as I noted above, at Wikipedia talk:Fair use. What I am doing is perfectly in line with policy and has been repeatedly supported by multiple other admins and members of arbcom. Your issue is not with me. Your issue is with Wikipedia policy. Please use appropriate forums, such as the one I suggested twice now, to voice your displeasure with the policy. Voicing such displeasure with me will have no effect on policy nor will it affect my conducting this work. Please see User:Durin/Removal_of_fair_use_images#I.27ll_get_you_to_stop_by_hurling_insults_at_you.21. Thank you for your message. --Durin 01:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Band Templates?

Re: Fair use images as for use in templates. I think the removal of this image from the template is really petty ,Why can other band templates use images and I can't? I mean its not in my agenda to rock the boat here, but does anyone else really care about a very small picture on a template? that quite frankly is not seen by all that many people? -- The Equaliser 18:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9 prohibits the use of fair use tagged images outside of the main article namespace. This includes templates. That other band templates have such violations is not a reason to permit more of them. If you'd like, as you find such violations you can remove them yourself. I'd be happy to guide you on what needs to be done and how to go about doing it. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. --Durin 18:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No Thanks, If I ever thought I would turn in to an image informant like yourself I would quickly find myself a life, before I started wearing a brown shirt. --

The Equaliser 22:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • What you consider a personal attack could be interpreted as freedom of speech but then you would only quote some wiki fair use horse shit to back up your stance. you are without a doubt The most antagonising user on wikipedia. and you have replied to several users by saying so called personal attacks serve no purpose well I disagree, it helps to relieve stress, maybe you should relieve yourself too, you never know you might view life in a whole new perspective! Peace Out man!-- The Equaliser 02:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • You compare me to a Nazi thug and say I shouldn't take it as a personal attack? Right. What was it that was so antogonizing to you that you felt it necessary to begin making comparisons to Nazi thugs? I remove fair use images you had put in place. Those images were in violation of Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. You vent all sorts of fury at me, but I'm not the one you should be angry with. If you don't like the policy, take it up at Wikipedia talk:Fair use. If you seriously think I'm the most antognizing user on Wikipedia, then by all means please start an Wikipedia:Requests for comment. If I am as you say it would be seriously detrimental to the project for me to be an administrator or even a part of the project at all. I'm always welcome to reasoned inputs on my edits, minus the personal insults. If you won't start an RfC on me, the person you describe as the worst person at Wikipedia, then what would motivate you to start one? Please, by all means start one. Please. --Durin 06:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh Touch a nerve did we? Nazi Thug? whats that, a freudian slip? if you recall I compared you to an antagonising image informant you should not add words that were not said! I mean, i'm sure there must be a Wiki fair use of words on that --The Equaliser 12:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, didn't touch a nerve. A person launching personal attacks against someone whom they have never met, have had almost no interaction with, has no basis to have any way of saying something that would actually hurt that person. You could voice a thousand insults against me and it would have no effect on my conducting the fair use work that needs to be done here. I'm pointing out how your words are personal attacks. As to your words, you are the person who said "brown shirt". The most famous brown shirts in history were Nazi thugs. You should note however that launching a thousand insults against anyone here, much less several, will likely result in your being temporarily blocked from editing. All the best, --Durin 14:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

relish

    • Doesn't scare me. I'd be glad to get away from users such as you who make wiki a pain to use instead of fun. You must relish in all this hate and discontent you cause. You're the only user I know that has to write pages and pages trying to defend himself. Rlevse 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Don't care. Just go away and leave people who try to improve articles instead of pissing everyone off alone. Rlevse 02:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The best way for you to stop driving people away is to use some common sense in how you approach this. And that was not an insult it's a fact. You're the only user I know that has caused other users to quit. I will not discuss this with you further. Rlevse 02:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • People come and go to the project. It disappoints me if people do not wish to adhere to Wikipedia policy. Nevertheless, we hold to our policies. If people wish to leave because they find the policies unacceptable, that is their prerogative. I can not stop them. If it bothers you that this policy exists, your venom is better expelled at the people who are actually in a position to change the policy. You've been directed where to go to do that. I hope you find satisfaction there. In fact, if fair use images were allowed everywhere on Wikipedia it would be, in some ways, better than the current status quo which is a difficult to manage scenario; violations are rampant and there's little support for keeping things in check with this policy. In my mind, preferable would be a considerably harder line against such violations or a far more liberal line. From all that I've read, Jimbo Wales would be more in support of a harder line. You're welcome to take your crack at changing the policy. If you need help to back up some of your points, look me up. I might be able to offer you some supporting statistics. All the best, --Durin 02:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Template:Politics of North Korea}}

Hi, all of the "Politics of Nation" templates have national emblems displayed at the top, however why do you keep on reverting North Korea's, when it has the same license as South Korea's and many others, yet they were never changed/reverted to a geographical map denoting their territory? Also, I've read your subpage about the fairuse rationale, however those aren't fairuse tags but coatofarms tags, and was their a vote by the community that national emblems with the coatofarms tags cannot be used in templates or any other namespaces excepting the main namespace? Or it was your own interpretation? You can reply here or on my IP page. Thanks much! --70.21.6.126 07:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All kidding aside

Thank you very much for your review beforehand, and especially your confidence and support during my RFA. I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. Please let me know if I can do anything for you in the future, although I doubt it for some time... I may be coming to you to learn at the foot of the master with respect to coat-of-arms copyright, something that baffles me at present. Cheers! -- nae'blis 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Where's my decoder ring? -- nae'blis 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Durin

I'm directed to you regarding the use of certain images, namely those in the following two cites: Ludvikus 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Warhol

Ludvikus 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall McLuhan

Ludvikus 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC) If the images are ok there, why are they not ok on my UserPage?[reply]

Best Regards, Ludvikus 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For Your Convenience

Please limit the images on your user page to free or GFDL images.

Please limit the images on your user page to free or GFDL images. Using copyrighted or fair use images can get Wikipedia in a lot of legal trouble. -Will Pittenger 21:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I WOULD aapreciate it if you inform me first before you assume anything and proceed to alter my user page!
Ludvikus 22:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the copyright tags are the clue. Please check them first. If you have questions about an image, ask User:Durin. And, yes, he did remove fair use images from my page. So don't complain. -Will Pittenger 22:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • The difference between uses there is that use of fair use images on main namespace articles is accepted. Andy Warhol and Marshall McLuhan are two such pages. Any actual article is allowed to have fair use tagged images on it. Userpages, templates, portals, wikipedia space pages...are not. Will Pittenger is correct. You should allow him to remove those images or remove them yourself if you prefer. Either way, they need to be removed from your userpage. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. All the best, --Durin 02:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • GotchYa! Your explanation is very clear - which is not the case with the Wiukipedia legal mumbo-jumbo.
      • I assumed - using my method of TRIAL AND ERROR method of learning WP - that if an image was in Wikipedia ANYWHERE - I could use it! What a DISAPPONITMENT!!!
    • Now tell me this - if I get an artish to draw for me an image of Andy sleeping in that same reclining position - can I then put it up on my WP User page?
  • Thanks for your DILIGENCE on behalf of WIKIPEDIA!
Yours truly, Ludvikus 19:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing this up. Now if you could teach him to go easy on the ----… Will (Talk - contribs) 03:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

THE PATRIOTIC PUBLISHING CO. & "The Protocols of Zion"

Image:1934 Protocols Patriotic Pub.jpg "The Protocols" — the original 1934 300-page THE PATRIOTIC PUBLISHING CO. edition

Dear WP Adminstrator Durin: The image herein I have re-created: me, myself, & I.

It is the the front book cover of that infamout 1934 300-page imprint of the Protocols of Zion by an uncorporated entity named above which operated out of a Post Office Box in Chicago, Michigan, and, to the best of my knowledge, there was no copyright asserted on it.
So why did you delete THAT image as well??
Yours truly, Ludvikus 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Can I appeal your decision on this 1934 image deletion?
Sincere best withes to you, Ludvikus 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


You can appeal the decision by posting to WP:AN. There's not much to appeal though. The image is of a bookcover, and due to it not being old enough, it is still under copyright...even if copyright wasn't claimed. We do not operate on the basis of whether someone claimed copyright, but on the basis of whether someone explicitly released their rights to the work. Thus, even if something doesn't appear to have a copyright, we assume it does unless we have proof otherwise. The image is appropriately tagged with {{bookcover}} which is a fair use tag thus preventing its use outside of the main article namespace. Hope that helps, --Durin 21:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anthonyn66

Sorry about my logos and pages. I never knew that about those rules. Maybe I should read the rule page. user:anthonyn66

new user box you may like

FYI: You might be interested in this user box: User:Will Pittenger/User Boxes/User Removes Fair Use Images From User Pages. -Will Pittenger 06:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a page that I can have the box link to that would explain this policy in layman's terms? Something in your userspace would qualify for my purposes. Will (Talk - contribs) 06:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Veracious Rey

Sorry about the revert. I didn't notice you took the images out of my userboxes (I didn't look, because I was unaware of a problem). The image of governer Fletcher is in an article, so I'm confused why you removed the image a second time.

I accept your offer of help. First, where can I find free images of sports logos, and foxnews logos? In general, where do you find these if you cannot take them from articles. I've searched the Wikicommons, but haven't found anything. Veracious Rey 16:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • When I tagged the image as orphaned fair use, it was truly orphaned; it wasn't in an article. When I checked back, it was. I removed the notice. No worries about the userboxes; we all learn sometime.
  • In short, finding sports logos and foxnews logos isn't going to happen. Logos of such organizations are protected; it's a marketable resource for them. Any free license version probably isn't going to represent the team the way you would want. What people tend to do with such userboxes is to put, for example, "FN" in place of the missing logo, and use colors frequently associated with the organization. --Durin 16:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PSdubow imiages

The imiages that were used are fair use beacuse they were being used on Engilish Wikipedia for the use of describing orginazations or people. Cocoaguy (Talk) 16:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop bothering my friend and I!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Durin

My friend Cocoaguy was doing me a favor by helping me create my user page, because I am not as computer savy as other users may be. He told me how you were bothering him and also hindering him about some pictures he was using or something like that, while he was trying to help me. Both him and I are in agreement that the pictures we are using do not violate any copyright rules or some sort of a wikipedia code of ethics. Now you listen to me, he and I will continue to put pictures on my user page until you or another wikipedia representative proves to us by showing us files, a private policy, a copyright rule, or something like that, stating that what we are doing to against the rules.

Sincerely,

Psdubow

  • Please see the prior section above this one. The use of fair use tagged images on userpages is not permitted per Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. The images your friend placed on the page that I removed are tagged with fair use tags. Thus, they may not exist on your userpage. Sorry if this bothers you or your friend; no intention to do so. Just working to have pages adhere to our policies. Thanks, --Durin 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Might I request a boon of thee?

Hail and well met, friend Durin. I hope this missive find you well. May I request a favor? I am, as you may be aware, a candidate for the Arbitration Committee. I fear that, due to my history, my questions page and (in the future) voting page may tend to be magnets for incivility and other misconduct. I have, in the past year, come to respect you for your ability to maintain coolness in situations where others might fail to do so (as you may have noted when I commented on your self-RfC some months back). Would you be willing to let bygones be bygones and do me the signal favor of patrolling those pages for uncivil conduct, dealing with any such instances which you might find appropriately? I would be most appreciative.

Thank you for your consideration.

Kelly Martin (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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