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:Also, we has [[JP Morgan Chase]] article, as well as [[Chase Bank]], [[J.P. Morgan & Co.]] articles. [[User:Matthew hk|Matthew hk]] ([[User talk:Matthew hk|talk]]) 12:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
:Also, we has [[JP Morgan Chase]] article, as well as [[Chase Bank]], [[J.P. Morgan & Co.]] articles. [[User:Matthew hk|Matthew hk]] ([[User talk:Matthew hk|talk]]) 12:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

:And a smell of undisclosed paid editing by CartleR255. [[User:Matthew hk|Matthew hk]] ([[User talk:Matthew hk|talk]]) 14:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


== Requested move 12 December 2020 ==
== Requested move 12 December 2020 ==

Revision as of 14:31, 12 December 2020

Mainland vs PRC categorization

First, changing a category or doing a revert is not a minor edit. It is subterfuge.

Second, COSCO, like many companies based in the PRC, operate jointly across the entire PRC. Your insurance company thing isn't precedent setting, it only has one article

It's a TNC, and it operates in many countries as well. And please sign your comment. — Instantnood 08:53, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
TNC, what? Yes, the global nature of it's business tends to disagree with categorizing it regionally SchmuckyTheCat 14:29, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Actually I dont quite understand what he is talking about either!--Huaiwei 14:49, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
COSCO is a company of mainland China, and it is a TNC. Are you going to tag it as category:company of X for all places it has operations? — Instantnood 14:59, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
COSCO is a company of the People's Republic of China. If you do that, you wont have to tag it under two subcategories, would you? lol! --Huaiwei 15:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
To repeat myself, it is a company of mainland China. — Instantnood 15:58, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Does your repeated statments mean it is not a company of the PRC??--Huaiwei 05:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Companies of mainland China, Hong Kong or Macao are all companies of the PRC. But they have to be differentiated from each other. — Instantnood 08:34, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
If you think its important to split, of coz we can..and they already are. but may I know why do you insist that this company should be called a company of Mainland China, but not the PRC?--Huaiwei 08:42, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Would a company from Luxembourg be called "a company of the European Union"? — Instantnood 09:15, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
It will if it is incorporated in the European Union...if that is possible? ;) Pls find a better analogy.--Huaiwei 11:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
On documents a company would say it is incorporated in the PRC, but in effect its incorporation is within mainland China. And if you are going to argue in this way, I'll have to tell you that a company "incorporated in Hong Kong" is not a company "incorporated in the PRC". — Instantnood 15:22, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Did I argue against anything to do with Hk in this case? No. I dont give a shit if a HK-incorporated company thinks it is a PRC company or not. The simple fact is a company incorporate in the PRC is a company of the PRC. Again I ask...who are you to deny them their right to use their country name?--Huaiwei 22:13, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In that way category:Companies of Hong Kong shouldn't be a subcategory of category:Companies of the PRC. — Instantnood 23:35, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
I knew it. That was obviously your source of insecurity all these while. Apparantly category:Companies of Hong Kong already isnt a subcategory of the PRC, so why are you freaking out? But hush hush....do you sence that I am going to make that happen too soon? :D --Huaiwei 00:30, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Who knows what you guys would do next? :-) — Instantnood 00:52, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
So, it's government owned by the PRC, so therefore it isn't part of the PRC, it's part of mainland China, because Hong Kong isn't part of the PRC? what? SchmuckyTheCat 15:52, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

oh, TNC. SchmuckyTheCat 15:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Disputed

Can someone that disputes the article make a single problem statement to discuss? SchmuckyTheCat 20:16, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the "Disputed" tag from this talk page. The dispute was nearly two years ago when the article was a three-line stub. It was resolved in favour of the current version and the issue (is this a PRC, "Mainland China" or HK company) has not been a matter of debate for 23 months. Further, the editor who disputed the wording has been banned for unrelated sockpuppetry. No other editors took his side of the debate, so it is unlikely that there will be any future comment this issue.
Other points of view are welcome, but I think this issue is done. Euryalus (talk) 05:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added info on San Fracisco Bay disaster

I added a section on this and also tracked down some references for the lead and made some minor edits so it didn't read so much like a press release. I removed the "no sources" tag since as some but not all of the information is sourced. It could use a few more third-party sources. --Loonymonkey 01:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

since there's no evidence the vessel was ever in any way a COSCO Group asset, i'm not sure it's at all appropriate for this section to be in this article. --emerson7 05:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Founding date?

Other wikipedia articles (eg. Chinese_shipping) reference COSCO as being founded in 1961.

This is confirmed from a quote from the homepage of COSCOphil.com (and other COSCO corporate sites), that states: "Founded on April 27, 1961, COSCO has grown into US$17 Billion corporation."

Yet the wikipedia article lists the founding date as 1993. Is this when the company was named/renamed to COSCO, or when it was actually founded?

-76.19.38.68 (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


COSCO Busan oil spill

I've removed the COSCO Busan oil spill section since it has nothing to do with this article at all. If you wish to add it back in please discuss it here first. Dncsky (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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COSCO = COSCON

If I'm not mistaken, COSCO is also called COSCON. They own the domain coscon.com. If someone can confirm this it should be mentioned in the article. --EnOreg (talk) 16:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

COSCON is the subsidiary COSCO Container Lines.Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the confirmation. Since their merger with CSCL in November 2016 they're actually called "COSCO Shipping Lines"[1] but the acronym must stem from the old name[2][3][4]. Apparently, they continue to use the acronym occasionally, not just in their domain name: [5]. --EnOreg (talk) 11:52, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, COSCON is actually a subsidiary of China COSCO Shipping which may or may not be owned by China COSCO, in turn owned by COSCO. --EnOreg (talk) 12:31, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed Redirect to China COSCO Shipping

@Murgatroyd49: COSCO Group is a predecessor of China COSCO Shipping. I think it is best to have this article redirected to the COSCO Group section of China COSCO Shipping, as the information there is essentially the same as this article. If you object to my proposed redirect, I would point to the UASC section of Hapag-Lloyd. CartleR255 (talk) 13:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The normal method would be to suggest it here first, or suggest merging the two articles. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Murgatroyd49: I suggest a redirect to COSCO Group. What to do now? CartleR255 (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest a merge of the two pages. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Murgatroyd49: I agree; the two articles should be merged. I summarized most of the COSCO article in a section of China COSCO Shipping. Unless you would like to make an edit, I suggest we now proceed with a section redirect. CartleR255 (talk) 15:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, should we copy this discussion into the China COSCO Shipping talk page? CartleR255 (talk) 15:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would copy the discussion first in case someone else has further suggestions. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. COSCO Shipping is formed by a merger and successor of COSCO , but at this movement hard to prove "COSCO Shipping" is the primary topic of "COSCO" yet. Matthew hk (talk) 12:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, we has JP Morgan Chase article, as well as Chase Bank, J.P. Morgan & Co. articles. Matthew hk (talk) 12:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And a smell of undisclosed paid editing by CartleR255. Matthew hk (talk) 14:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 December 2020

COSCO → ? – The company still "live" company. It just shirked its public profile to became an intermediate holding company for China COSCO Shipping, which formed by the merger of the old "COSCO" (this article) and China Shipping Group. Both articles for some reason brutally merged by wiki editors and ignoring the fact that there is not much WP:overlap with the merged entities and predecessors as well as the WP:GNG notability and WP:NCORP of the predecessors themselves. However, restoring the article cause a problem, which the scaled back intermediate holding company, still hold the primary topic status of "COSCO" or not. Or now the former English name, China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company, is now more appropriate to be the WP:Article title or not.

According to the annual report and its official English transliteration . The company (this article), currently known officially as "China Ocean Shipping" (legal suffix already omitted), but still refer as COSCO Group in the document.

-- Matthew hk (talk) 12:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That i mean there are three options:
  1. remain "COSCO"
  2. moves to former name China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company, the meaning of "COSCO" (note that it is not a name of limited company, "Company" is not a required legal suffix for that kind of incorporation under the law "An industrial enterprise owned by the whole people",) and potential carry WP:rfd for the current primary topic of COSCO
  3. moves to current name "China Ocean Shipping" Company Limited or China Ocean Shipping Company. (Note that under China company law, whole "Company Limited" is a legal suffix but a lot of company retained "Company " or C in their common name or abbreviated name. Matthew hk (talk) 12:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. COSCO is the trading name of the group. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:35, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:article title and use the 5 base rationale of determining Wikipedia:Article title#Deciding on an article title. Also, what i am talking about is preserve this article for the predecessor under long company name and may be redirect COSCO to COSCO Shipping. So what exactly you want to oppose about? Matthew hk (talk) 13:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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