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:My apologies for the delayed response. Whilst the term "the Blip" is indeed only coined in ''Far From Home'', any of the alternative wording included in the article reads as if Thanos personally killed Barton's family (à la Vision in ''Infinity War''), or is unsuitably awkward and inevitably changed. Upon consideration, this Plot section makes liberal use of notes to explain where this film sits in relation to previous MCU adventures, so I would like to raise the possibility of including such a note to explain that the term in question is coined in a later film. (WP:FILM states "Complicated plots may occasionally require clarifications from secondary sources; so cite these sources in the section" which to my mind would allow us to make use of the term in question, if suitably sourced.) -- [[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca'''Ducato''']] <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC) |
:My apologies for the delayed response. Whilst the term "the Blip" is indeed only coined in ''Far From Home'', any of the alternative wording included in the article reads as if Thanos personally killed Barton's family (à la Vision in ''Infinity War''), or is unsuitably awkward and inevitably changed. Upon consideration, this Plot section makes liberal use of notes to explain where this film sits in relation to previous MCU adventures, so I would like to raise the possibility of including such a note to explain that the term in question is coined in a later film. (WP:FILM states "Complicated plots may occasionally require clarifications from secondary sources; so cite these sources in the section" which to my mind would allow us to make use of the term in question, if suitably sourced.) -- [[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca'''Ducato''']] <small>([[User talk:Jasca Ducato|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jasca Ducato|contributions]])</small> 10:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Can you give an example wording of an explantory footnote? Even if we clarify that "the Blip" was coined in ''Far From Home'', we can't just introduce a new term ([[WP:JARGON]]) to the plot summary without explaining what it means. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 22:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC) |
::Can you give an example wording of an explantory footnote? Even if we clarify that "the Blip" was coined in ''Far From Home'', we can't just introduce a new term ([[WP:JARGON]]) to the plot summary without explaining what it means. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 22:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC) |
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*Personally, I would remove the current Blip link around the phrase, "erased half of all life in the universe", and modify the footnote to read, "{{tq|Known as [[The Blip]] that was depicted in Avengers: Infinity War (2018)}}". There are plenty of blue links in the plot summary as it is, and linking an 8-word statement is too much IMO. Then I would use that same explanatory footnote for the text about Barton losing his family. So after the changes, it would look something like: |
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::{{Quote frame|In 2018, twenty-three days after [[Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Thanos]] erased half of all life in the universe,{{Efn|name=Timeline|Known as [[The Blip]] that was depicted in ''[[Avengers: Infinity War]]'' (2018)}} [[Carol Danvers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Carol Danvers]] rescues [[Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Tony Stark]]...{{pb}} ... {{pb}}In Tokyo, Romanoff recruits [[Clint Barton (Marvel Cinematic Universe)|Clint Barton]], who became a [[Vigilantism|vigilante]] after his family was erased during the execution of Thanos' plan.{{Efn|name=Timeline|Known as [[The Blip]] that was depicted in ''[[Avengers: Infinity War]]'' (2018)}}}} |
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:My 2¢. --[[User:GoneIn60|GoneIn60]] ([[User talk:GoneIn60|talk]]) 23:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Change character Pepper Potts description from Stark's husband to Stark's wife. 24.209.237.242 (talk) 03:44, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Changed. Thanks for catching that. --ZimZalaBim talk 04:00, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Criticism
] Anthony Lane of The New Yorker gave the film a compromising review, finding it to be overdeveloped and overwrought, stating, "The one thing you do need to know about Avengers: Endgame is that it runs for a little over three hours, and that you can easily duck out during the middle hour, do some shopping, and slip back into your seat for the climax. You won't have missed a thing."[200] It was criticsed for its 3 hour screen time. Can we please add that In the critical section of the info box. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reference878 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Do we need to? I’m sure the sample we have is ample CreecregofLife (talk) 04:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change "A fifth and sixth film" to "Two standalone sequels". 2600:1700:4390:5850:C160:464A:47C7:8ADD (talk) 03:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- Partly done: Removed "standalone" since we don't know about that and the link per MOS:OL Aaron Liu (talk) 01:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- Reverted as they are more "future" films than "sequels" and thus, stating "fifth and sixth film" is accurate. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
The Blip
@Jasca Ducato: I disagree. As I wrote earlier, "the Blip" is never uttered in this film, as it was only coined in Far From Home. Film plot summaries should only describe what is explicitly shown and said onscreen. Secondly, while the Blip is indeed linked earlier in the plot summary, it's a piped link (as it should be). Readers who know nothing about the MCU would not be able to decipher the meaning of "the Blip" if we provide no explanation for what that term even means. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
- My apologies for the delayed response. Whilst the term "the Blip" is indeed only coined in Far From Home, any of the alternative wording included in the article reads as if Thanos personally killed Barton's family (à la Vision in Infinity War), or is unsuitably awkward and inevitably changed. Upon consideration, this Plot section makes liberal use of notes to explain where this film sits in relation to previous MCU adventures, so I would like to raise the possibility of including such a note to explain that the term in question is coined in a later film. (WP:FILM states "Complicated plots may occasionally require clarifications from secondary sources; so cite these sources in the section" which to my mind would allow us to make use of the term in question, if suitably sourced.) -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 10:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you give an example wording of an explantory footnote? Even if we clarify that "the Blip" was coined in Far From Home, we can't just introduce a new term (WP:JARGON) to the plot summary without explaining what it means. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- Personally, I would remove the current Blip link around the phrase, "erased half of all life in the universe", and modify the footnote to read, "
Known as The Blip that was depicted in Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
". There are plenty of blue links in the plot summary as it is, and linking an 8-word statement is too much IMO. Then I would use that same explanatory footnote for the text about Barton losing his family. So after the changes, it would look something like:
- In 2018, twenty-three days after Thanos erased half of all life in the universe,[a] Carol Danvers rescues Tony Stark... ... In Tokyo, Romanoff recruits Clint Barton, who became a vigilante after his family was erased during the execution of Thanos' plan.[a]
- My 2¢. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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