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Should we taxobox this puppy?--Mr Fink 18:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why not?

Done Verisimilus T 12:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV & other question

I am not an expert on this subject, but I have a couple quick questions & observation regarding this article:

In the lead, the sentence: "One dissident, who has maintained since 1990..." seems POV pushing, or maybe an attack. Maybe this should read, a "small minority" or something to that effect. (Is Butterfield the only one to hold these positions . . .otherwise is their consensus that Butterfield was/is forcing his findings?)
I wikilinked Wiwaxia in the lead – at its first appearance – mostly to help the neophyte reader (ok, me).
In the Phylogeny section, I think the issue raised in #1 persists:

First, I think this section deserves its own "lead." Just a couple sentences explaining Caron findings versus Butterfields to summarize for the reader – similiar to the summary in the lead lead
The prose reads that Caron's group is "interpreting" findings, while Butterfield is "arguing" and terms like "in his opinion" are used.
Even the clade chart's seem to suggest a POV issue, based on the Caron group having a cite, whereas Butterfields is "???" – I am reading this correct?
Would I be correct to assume that following Caron et al 2007, that there has been no formal reply by Butterfield?

I won't tag the article as having a point of view issue, but I was tempted. Let me say scientist arguing like this is great, (eg. the quote: "Many of Butterfield’s misconceptions" is classic), but I'd like to ensure that it is as neutral as possible before I green tick the DYK hook. So if you could help allay a layman's apprehension, I'd appreciate it. Mitico (talk) 02:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article does not reflect Butterfield's views very favourably. The nature of science makes it difficult to assess the number of people who agree with Butterfield - papers aren't "put to the vote" etc - but he is certainly not alone in his discontent. Likewise, it is rare to have a sequence of replies continually debating fine points, so the lack of a "comeback" by Butterfield does not mean he's beaten; indeed I think he comments on the issue in passing in a 2008 paper (J of Paleo, "An early Cambrian Radula). I do agree with your points in general, though. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 08:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 I am not an expert on this subject, but I have a couple quick questions & observation regarding this article:
 #In the lead, the sentence: "One dissident, who has maintained since 1990..." seems POV pushing, or maybe an attack.  Maybe this should read, a "small minority" or something to that effect. (Is Butterfield the only one to hold these positions . . .otherwise is their consensus that Butterfield was/is forcing his findings?)
-#I wikilinked [[Wiwaxia]] in the lead - at its first appearance - mostly to help the neophyte reader (ok, me).
+#I wikilinked [[Wiwaxia]] in the lead – at its first appearance – mostly to help the neophyte reader (ok, me).
 #In the Phylogeny section, I think the issue raised in #1 persists:
-:*First, I think this section deserves its own "lead." Just a couple sentences explaining Caron findings versus Butterfields to summarize for the reader - similiar to the summary in the lead lead
+:*First, I think this section deserves its own "lead." Just a couple sentences explaining Caron findings versus Butterfields to summarize for the reader – similiar to the summary in the lead lead
 :*The prose reads that Caron's group is "interpreting" findings, while Butterfield is "arguing" and terms like "in his opinion" are used.
-:*Even the clade chart's seem to suggest a POV issue, based on the Caron group having a cite, whereas Butterfields is "???" - I am reading this correct?
+:*Even the clade chart's seem to suggest a POV issue, based on the Caron group having a cite, whereas Butterfields is "???" – I am reading this correct?
-:*Would I be correct to assume that following Curan et al 2007, that there has been no formal reply by Butterfield?
+:*Would I be correct to assume that following Caron et al 2007, that there has been no formal reply by Butterfield?
 I won't tag the article as having a [[WP:NPOV|point of view]] issue, but I was tempted. Let me say scientist arguing like this is great, (eg. the quote: "Many of Butterfield’s misconceptions" is classic), but I'd like to ensure that it is as neutral as possible before I green tick the DYK hook. So if you could help allay a layman's apprehension, I'd appreciate it. [[User:Mitico|Mitico]] ([[User talk:Mitico|talk]]) 02:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
+:I agree that the article does not reflect Butterfield's views very favourably.  The nature of science makes it difficult to assess the number of people who agree with Butterfield - papers aren't "put to the vote" etc - but he is certainly not alone in his discontent.  Likewise, it is rare to have a sequence of replies continually debating fine points, so the lack of a "comeback" by Butterfield does not mean he's beaten; indeed I think he comments on the issue in passing in a 2008 paper (J of Paleo, "An early Cambrian Radula).  I do agree with your points in general, though. [[User:Smith609|Martin]]&nbsp;'''<small>([[User:Smith609|Smith609]]&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User_talk:Smith609|Talk]])</small>''' 08:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)