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POV fork of Attraction to transgender people. Duplicates material there. Fork is created by a single-purpose account who is an activist minority in the mental health field known for attempting to create and promote an ever-growing list of "paraphilias." See work by Karen Franklin, Vernon Rosario and others for details on this controversy. Recommend merge and redirect to reinstate redirect. Jokestress (talk) 00:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Extremely WP:POINTy nomination. Leak of user:Jokestress' well-documented^[1] off-wiki campaign. I recommend she join me in banning ourselves from that page, with user page pledges, to prevent further disruption. Moreover, the claims that editor makes about my believes are false, indeed they are BLP violations, that I request she redact. — James Cantor (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This article is cut and pasted from Transfan. Terms like these are scientifically reifying and pathologizing, per Rosario and many others. Article creator has classified it as a paraphilia, part of his long-running attempts to promote spurious paraphilias here and offsite. "Men sexually interested in transwomen" is the formal term used by legitimate researchers these days. This can be and is all covered at Attraction to transgender people]. Jokestress (talk) 01:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:IDONTLIKEIT does not supersede Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Naming_conventions: "The article title should be the scientific or recognised medical name that is most commonly used in recent, high-quality, English-language medical sources, rather than a lay term (unscientific or slang name)". And keep redacting the unsubstantiated BLP claims. This is my second request that you do so completely.— James Cantor (talk) 02:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Transfan into Gynandromorphophilia. Following up on the above MoS/Med policy to use the technical rather than slang terms (this being an encyclopedia, and all), the professional peer reviewed RS's also use gynandromorphophilia. [This scholar.google search on "gynandromorphophilia"] revealed 14 citations, but [the scholar.google search with "transfan"] got zero. Although there are individual authors publishing books expressing their personal views about what the politically correct term should be, the highest regarded RS's use gynandromorphophilia. Slang terms for gynandromorphophilia (and a note about their inappropriateness) would be an important subsection to include.— James Cantor (talk) 03:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This is yet another attempt by this editor to medicalize a common form of attraction with an obscure term used by an activist minority in the mental health field, a little pocket of pathological science fixated on the concept of paraphilia. We use value-neutral, non-pathologizing terms here, not obscure neologisms that cast a common sexual interest/orientation as a mental illness or medical condition or disease. This doesn't fall under MoS/Med because medicalizing this phenomenon is POV-pushing. This is discussed much more commonly as a sociological phenomenon than a medical one, with the exception of a few holdouts clinging to 20th century ideologies. There are many books and articles discussing this for every one that uses the quaint medicalized/reified terminology proposed as this article title. All can be covered under attraction to transgender people if we need a more generalized title for a move for Transfan. Jokestress (talk) 09:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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-[[WP:POVFORK|POV fork]] of [[Transfan]]. Duplicates material there. Fork is created by a [[WP:SPA|single-purpose account]] who is an activist minority in the mental health field known for attempting to create and promote an ever-growing list of "paraphilias." See work by [[Karen Franklin]], [[Vernon Rosario]] and others for details on this controversy. Recommend '''merge and redirect''' to reinstate redirect. [[User:Jokestress|Jokestress]] ([[User talk:Jokestress|talk]]) 00:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
+[[WP:POVFORK|POV fork]] of [[Attraction to transgender people]]. Duplicates material there. Fork is created by a [[WP:SPA|single-purpose account]] who is an activist minority in the mental health field known for attempting to create and promote an ever-growing list of "paraphilias." See work by [[Karen Franklin]], [[Vernon Rosario]] and others for details on this controversy. Recommend '''merge and redirect''' to reinstate redirect. [[User:Jokestress|Jokestress]] ([[User talk:Jokestress|talk]]) 00:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 *'''Comment'''.  Extremely [[WP:POINT]]y nomination.  Leak of [[user:Jokestress]]' well-documented<ref>www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/health/psychology/21gender.html?pagewanted=all|RS-documented]]</ref> off-wiki [[WP:battleground|campaign]].  I recommend she join me in banning ourselves from that page, with user page pledges, to prevent further disruption. Moreover, the claims that editor makes about my believes are false, indeed they are BLP violations, that I request she redact. [[User:James Cantor |— James Cantor]] ([[User talk:James Cantor|talk]]) 01:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
-**'''Comment'''. This article is cut and pasted from Transfan. Terms like these are scientifically reifying and pathologizing, per Rosario and many others. Article creator has classified it as a paraphilia, part of his long-running attempts to promote spurious paraphilias here and offsite. "Men sexually interested in transwomen" is the formal term used by legitimate researchers these days. This can be and is all covered at [[Transfan]]. [[User:Jokestress|Jokestress]] ([[User talk:Jokestress|talk]]) 01:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
+**'''Comment'''. This article is cut and pasted from Transfan. Terms like these are scientifically reifying and pathologizing, per Rosario and many others. Article creator has classified it as a paraphilia, part of his long-running attempts to promote spurious paraphilias here and offsite. "Men sexually interested in transwomen" is the formal term used by legitimate researchers these days. This can be and is all covered at [[Attraction to transgender people]]]. [[User:Jokestress|Jokestress]] ([[User talk:Jokestress|talk]]) 01:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 ::*[[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] does not supersede [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Naming_conventions]]: "The article title should be the '''scientific or recognised medical name''' that is most commonly used in recent, high-quality, English-language medical sources, rather than a lay term (unscientific or slang name)".  And keep redacting the unsubstantiated BLP claims.  This is my second request that you do so completely.[[User:James Cantor |— James Cantor]] ([[User talk:James Cantor|talk]]) 02:47, 7 August 2012 (UTC)