Talk:Rizo Rizov

This is getting out of hand

@Jingiby and @Kluche you've both inserted your own attempts of BPOV And NPOV, how about we have a conversation here to decide how to more properly form this article in a NPOV instead of fighting in an endless editing war hoping one side stops, please help us come to a compromise instead of fighting Gurther (talk) 22:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Gurther, I fail to see what is the issue regarding my edits - I've been reformulating the text in order to bring it up to Wikipedia standards, whilst keeping the information effectively the same.

I think in order for this to be a constructive and effective discussion, you should probably state what you dispute in the edits.

Hopefully this will be resolved quickly and peacefully, best regards Kluche (talk) 22:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I think the article has now been reduced to an acceptably neutral form. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

No jingby you've pretty much stripped away all their pro-macedonian actions they've done in their life and pretty much turned it into a husk of a corpse with un-well formated and pretty much a short cess pit of sources, this isnt a wikipedia, this is a dumpster, this is why i made this talk page Gurther (talk) 23:06, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The opinion of the Macedonian historian Ivan Katardzhiev was deleted without reasonable explaination. Per him all left-wing Macedonian activists, former members of the IMRO (United) as Rizov, never managed to get rid of their strong Bulgarophile sentiments. He claims all left-wing Macedonian revolutionaries from the period until the early 1930s declared themselves as "Bulgarians" and he asserts that the political separatism of some Macedonian revolutionaties toward official Bulgarian policy was yet only political phenomenon without ethnic character. Katardzhiev claims also all the left-wing veterans remained only at the level of political, not of national separatism. Thus, they practically continued to feel themselves as Bulgarians, i.e. they didn't develop clear national separatist position even in Communist Yugoslavia after WWII. For more: Академик Катарџиев, Иван. Верувам во националниот имунитет на македонецот, интервју за списание "Форум", 22 jули 2000, број 329.Jingiby (talk) 06:57, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

- One historians interview isnt a great source for deciding an entire persons ethnicity, considering the fact neither he nor the innterviewer cited any sources

- You've taken the text out of context, he didnt say "Bulgarophile Sentiments" he said "they felt like Bulgarians" which is different

- He's the only historian to propose to idea, and only bulgarian historians follow this (with the exception of some bulgaro-americans) while a majority of the world agree that atleast most identified as macedonian

if you have more legitimate sources, please share them here, otherwise ill remove the "neutrality is disputed" tag Gurther (talk) 09:39, 12 February 2023 (UTC)