Talk:2014 Isla Vista killings

Terrorist attack

Given the reason of the attack was because the perpetrator hated women to the point he fantasized complete gendercide, shouldn't this be classified as a terrorist attack? 2001:8003:AD66:D400:F906:A88A:273F:1921 (talk) 05:19, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles reflect what is published in reliable sources, so please provide reliable sources that describe it as such. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I found a citation for this in the following document, and I am open to feedback about the applicability: DiBranco, Alex (February 10, 2020). "Male Supremacist Terrorism as a Rising Threat". International Centre for Counter-Terrorism. The Hague. No misogynist killer articulated the terroristic intention behind his selected target more clearly than 22-year-old Elliot Rodger, who set out on his "War on Women" to "punish all females for the crime of depriving me of sex." The autobiography he left behind—which has been taken as a manifesto for the incel ideology—spells this out. Jno.skinner (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Jno.skinner: I absolutely think it's worth saying, with in-text attribution, that the ICCT has described it as an act of misogynist terrorism. I don't think we should describe it in wikivoice as a misogynist terror attack unless/until it is widely described that way in RS. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@GorillaWarfare: that makes sense to me and I've changed the text accordingly Jno.skinner (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Rodger having a separate article

Other mass murderers have their own separate article, there is no reason for Rodger to not have his as well.

TheWikipedia05 (talk)

I agree. Especially with the massive wealth of information there is about him I think a seperate article should exist documenting it all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.253.179 (talk) 12:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

He was only known for this WP:ONEEVENT, so no. - StonyBrook (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Other less notable mass murderers such as James Holmes and Charles Whitman have their own separate articles. In addition, unlike the previous two, Rodger's attacks have been documented to have inspired other related attacks, including the 2018 Toronto van attack and the 2021 Plymouth attack. Virtually every incel perpetrator has at least referenced Rodger's attack. Rodger is absolutely notable, albeit for the wrong reasons. In this case, the perpetrator's notoriety lasted way past the initial terror following the attack. - TheWikipedia05 (talk) 12:41, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support A more comprehensive article regarding Elliot Rodger is warranted because of the impact of his massacre. Arctarion (talk) 19:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support as per above. 108.45.170.249 (talk) 00:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Splitting proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to ... TheWikipedian05 (talk) 01:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

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... split this page into a separate page called Elliot Rodger.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose that the sections dealing with Elliot Rodger's life be split into a separate page called Elliot Rodger.

• Support – TheWikipedian05 (talk) 13:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Rodger has achieved enough notoriety post-attacks to warrant a separate article. Many incel terrorists, from Alek Minassian to Jake Davison, have referenced Rodger's attacks. Just last month, the U.S. Department of Justice prosecuted an incel making threats to random women who, seven years after the killings, made yet another reference to Rodger. - TheWikipedia05 (talk) 13:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

• Neutral - Chefs-kiss (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

If so the article would need to include noteriety section. Also in addition what would be included? Would the Attacks section be included, then would you delete it from this article? Also do keep in mind that many people might be motivated to commit hate crimes due to noteriety. Also I suggest we keep an eye on it because it might have edit warring. - Chefs-kiss (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

It would include all the information in this article that deals with Rodger's life personally. A notoriety section would definitely be added as it's important to contextualize the attacks and mention the impact they had on subsequent incel-related attacks. It'd be a good idea to have it be protected or semi-protected lest it get vandalized. - TheWikipedia05 (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• Comment / Neutral - Need to consider the fact that "giviing" Elliot a wiki page will move the focus onto him and away from the attacks. We should think about the Contagion effect. Size split: sure. Content split: be careful. L32007 (talk) 07:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

A separate page would have to be done with caution. It shouldn't become a rallying point for Rodger's 'supporters', so locking it and/or placing it under a protected status would help. - TheWikipedia05 (talk) 22:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

• Support – Elliot Rodger and by extension the context of his life/upbringing/manifesto as well as his internet footprint are pretty frequently referenced, even somewhat outside of the direct context of the attacks. It’s deserving of its own article because of how notable his name/impact is and constant references to him online. Also his YouTube videos are something that would belong on his page and not be necessarily this page, Sydpresscott (talk) 00:28, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Classification of far right

Why have the killing themselves not been classified as a far right act? Chefs-kiss (talk)

References

Please add to the see also ..

• 2022 University of Idaho killings

2603:7000:2143:8500:5978:8C9B:FB08:CC35 (talk) 05:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

"== he's widely considered the founding father of the modern incel ideology ==

i'd like to mention this, at least in the section that talks about his personal legacy and impact JoeyCoffin (talk) 11:23, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

"Legacy and impact" is a rather disturbing way to put it. Please remember that the article is about the murders, not the perpetrator. If anything, a neutrally-worded discussion is better placed at Incel, not here. Acroterion (talk) 11:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)