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:::::I'm going to guess that what you wrote isn't what you meant. I'm going to guess that you meant that ''without'' the redirect, someone entering that search query would wind up on [[Graphite (disambiguation)]]. Well, it doesn't bother me that that would bring the user to one page that doesn't have the information they're looking for instead of another page that doesn't have the information they're looking for (how to add rendering rules to Graphite). The only additional information it would provide them is that it's a reference to the font technology. But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already ''have'' the context that Graphite is a font technology{{emdash}}how else would they have come up with the desire to know how to add rendering rules to it, or that it has something called "rendering rules"? It's pointless to pretend to have information on a topic when the only bit of info that's here for them is what they already know. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 20:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm going to guess that what you wrote isn't what you meant. I'm going to guess that you meant that ''without'' the redirect, someone entering that search query would wind up on [[Graphite (disambiguation)]]. Well, it doesn't bother me that that would bring the user to one page that doesn't have the information they're looking for instead of another page that doesn't have the information they're looking for (how to add rendering rules to Graphite). The only additional information it would provide them is that it's a reference to the font technology. But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already ''have'' the context that Graphite is a font technology{{emdash}}how else would they have come up with the desire to know how to add rendering rules to it, or that it has something called "rendering rules"? It's pointless to pretend to have information on a topic when the only bit of info that's here for them is what they already know. [[User:Largoplazo|Largoplazo]] ([[User talk:Largoplazo|talk]]) 20:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{tq|But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already ''have'' the context that Graphite is a font technology}} It's far lower than 100%. Having some information but not all the information needed is the entire use case of this place. [[User:Invasive Spices|Invasive Spices]] ([[User talk:Invasive Spices#top|talk]]) 20:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{tq|But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already ''have'' the context that Graphite is a font technology}} It's far lower than 100%. Having some information but not all the information needed is the entire use case of this place. [[User:Invasive Spices|Invasive Spices]] ([[User talk:Invasive Spices#top|talk]]) 20:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:The purpose of a redirect is to connect a '''plausible''' search term to the content the searcher was looking for. To be a good redirect the title of the redirect has to be something that someone could plausibly enter into the search bar and it has to lead to the content that search term refers to.
:In this case neither criteria is met. This is not a plausible search term - who would search an encyclopaedia for random tech support questions? If you want to change a setting on your smartphone do you break out a copy of the Britannica? This also fails the second part - the target article also contains no information on adding rendering rules to graphite, and cannot contain that information because it is out of scope of wikipedia ([[WP:NOTHOWTO]]). Why is it useful to send someone searching for this to an article that contains no relevant information? [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.65|192.76.8.65]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.65|talk]]) 20:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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Do not redirect species to genera

Please do not redirect species to genera, this has caused no end of trouble. Abductive (reasoning) 06:01, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mitrastemon yamamotoi -- If you only did one, don't worry about it. I found this one at WP:PAR. Abductive (reasoning) 02:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gotcha. Don't worry about it. Even in such situations, it is better to leave the redlinks, because the genus article could (and should) be split. Also, it is conceivable that taxonomists might come along and split the genus. Anyway, there have been editors in the past who went on redirecting sprees, necessitating mass-AfDs. Abductive (reasoning) 18:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
are real. Invasive Spices (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is a long term movement to eventually fix all such instances. Drop by the WikiProject Plants talk page and you'll find a variety of open tasks that editors are working on. I for one am working on creating stubs for plants that are currently for sale at nurseries, but somehow have no Wikipedia article. Abductive (reasoning) 00:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Emerald Ash Borer

The link titled: "APHIS Changes Approach to Fight Emerald Ash Borer EAB" does not work for me - in California USA. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 20:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It works now. Interestingly, I went to the previous version which used http:// and it now works. I then cleared my browsing history and the http:// link stopped working. Firefox. Thanks for the fix! Cheers Adakiko (talk) 21:59, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Queenright redirect

Just an FYI, references aren't necessary on redirects. You should probably mention the term Queenright somewhere in the Gyne article, instead. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 22:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Elliot321: Ok I understand they aren't required however I'm under the impression they aren't forbidden either. I'd like to reinstate the refs. As with any other use of refs, I hope it will discourage frivolous objections that it's not notable, should be deleted, should be different, etc. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

they aren't really forbidden, but they are really almost never used.

what you can do is categorize the redirect with a template like {{R from alternative name}}, so other editors know the purpose of the redirect. it's very unlikely to be deleted, there is no notability policy for redirects and anything nominally useful is kept.

the sources should instead be in the target article, if necessary. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 17:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fomesafen

Hi Invasive Spices

This is just to thank you for creating the article Fomesafen recently. It was on my "to-do" list as one of the compounds first invented at Jealott's Hill, where I used to work as a research chemist. I'll now add to the article with further relevant references: let me know if you were planning to do any more on the subject so we don't duplicate our efforts.

While looking here at your talk page, I noticed that you have been getting automated messages about dab links. I can give you a tip which should help you completely avoid making links to disambiguation pages when you really intended to go to a specific article. Assuming you use a standard browser on a PC, you need to navigate to common.css and add the two lines

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The first line makes dab links appear orange instead of blue when you preview the page you are editing. The second makes re-directs appear green, again instead of blue. These are incredibly helpful tweaks, I find! Best wishes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Turnbull, glad you're going to jump in. On Fomesafen I have no further plans because I'm not a chemist. While my job requires me to consume pesticide chemistry, I'm not a producer. (I may actually build more on the Resistance section, later.) ... And on CSS, thanks. I'm using that now and hopefully it stops me bouncing off the DAB bot every day. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Great: glad the CSS is useful. I've already started adding to Fomesafen and will be mostly done in another couple of days. I certainly don't claim to be any sort of expert on resistance (our collaborator for that used to be the Aussie, S Powles), so hopefully our edits will combine nicely. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hi again, Invasive Spices. Your name popped up in my list of watched pages today after your edit to cyhalothrin. The addition was very useful but I just wondered why you had put the substantive details of the new reference in the list below the main article rather than at the point in the text where the citation sits. Your new reference is only used once in the article and WP:CITEFOOT would recommend, I think, to have everything available together for any editor in future who wants to tweak that Section alone. I've taken the liberty of re-doing the placement. (I note that WP:ILCLUTTER suggests that placing ALL references in one place can sometimes be preferable but it's a bit late for that article!) Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:21, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Michael D. Turnbull: I do that because I'm under the impression that the [1] should be as near as possible to the relevant text, but the <ref>{{cite}}</ref> can be anywhere. In other words that the presentation to someone who only reads WP should have them close together so they can make use; but for anyone editing WP, things can get more complicated and we may have to go hunt through the wikicode. Looking at WP:CITEFOOT it could be read either way, but I think my guess was correct. (As for WP:ILCLUTTER, same thing. It could also be read two ways, but I imagine it's talking about this[1][2][3][4] being[1] better[2] than[3] this[4]. But the <ref>{{cite}}</ref> can be anywhere.) Invasive Spices (talk) 19:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I think you are definitely correct that the guidance says that readers should be able to work out at once which reference is backing up what statement, so a pile-up of references at the end of a paragraph can be annoying if the individual references cover different components. The reason I prefer to place the full citation at its first (often only) occurrence in the markup, rather than naming it there and placing it elsewhere is that I find that more convenient when using the source editor as I can see the full citation alongside the text — so for example I can check names and dates as I write. One tip that I find incredibly useful is that I use "Syntax highlighting" in the source editor (icon that looks like a pen, just left of the word "Advanced" at the top of the edit window). Now the main text stays black but the nowiki and ref tags are green, the templates including the cites are purple and the links are blue. That makes it so much easier to tell what is going on when editing and effectively provides error messages from the colours if, for example, you fail to close a [[ bracket. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Concern regarding Draft:Directorate of Plant Protection, Quarantine, and Storage

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Changing colour of template elements

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Indaziflam and Pubchem as a source

Hi again Invasive Spices

I noted your edit summary on Indaziflam as you made the latest change. I thought I'd explain why some chemists treat Pubchem not as "unreliable" but more as "needs careful interpretation and WP:CIR". It's related to the concept that Wikipedia isn't a reliable source (WP:WINRS). In articles on chemicals, we try to place the Pubchem CID in the Chembox and certainly expect people to look there for more detail than an article can possibly provide. However, editors who lack competence can conclude from Pubchem "facts" that simply reflect their lack of ability to follow up on the references. A classic example is on the Talk Page Talk:1,2,3-Benzothiadiazole, which I'd encourage you to look at. An incompetent editor though that all the references in Pubchem for 1,2,3-Benzothiadiazole under the acronym BTH were for that compound when in fact they refer to the fungicide acibenzolar. It's for these sorts of reasons that DMacks will have tried to replace references about indaziflam in the article with the actual source rather than just its entry on the database. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources

This is just as advice and not meant to be overly critical since I'm glad to see how active you've been (hence my nomination for EotW above). One thing I noticed is that you're pulling a lot from primary research articles, and sometimes older ones too.

I'm not sure what guidance you've read yet, so I thought I'd drop by. If you haven't seen them, I suggest giving WP:MEDRS and WP:SCIRS a read (and I have my own musings on the subject here). Basically, it's best to avoid primary research articles due to frequent quality issues, and it's essentially a requirement to stick to secondary peer-reviewed sources like meta-analyses or literature reviews in medical subjects. If you're going to the trouble of going through scholarly articles though, you'll usually have an easier time in terms of assessing what research is actually WP:DUE for an article based on what's in reviews even if it isn't a subject where secondary sources are essentially a requirement. Some scholarly search engines even let you filter by review or primary research too. If you are going to use primary sources, it's usually best to stick to a rough guideline of what I mention in my third link of carefully using the introduction, but avoiding results or conclusion from the study itself since those aren't really WP:INDEPENDENT of the study, and if the results are important enough to mention, let someone citing the paper do that for you.

Let me know if you have any questions on all of this. It's a lot different than what us scientists do in the real world since we can evaluate which primary research is valid or current, which sometimes makes editing Wikipedia a harder transition than you'd expect as anonymous expert editors. KoA (talk) 20:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And again, no worries, I mostly hadn't mentioned this until now because it was mostly uncontroversial stuff I was seeing anyways. KoA (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi KoA thanks for writing. So... apparently I hadn't read WP:SCIRS. I don't think I'd heard of it. You've noticed correctly that I haven't adjusted myself (my usual way of doing things) to Wikipedia, in a long list of ways. Most significantly going 100% revs+textbooks would feel lazy and incompetent to my usual way of doing things. I just haven't been thinking about how to adjust to the anonymous environment.
Where do I acquire this magic?
In the particular case of the egglaying/neuroendocrine/daylength edit, it is from 1992 yes. I'd hoped that would be ok given 1) It's been cited favorably by a Nat. Hered. (in 2004...), and several other good enough cites since (but that's me making a judgement...), incl an ARS rev in 1995, and 2) There's very little in that particular area, at all. IDK. I take it you think that isn't worth covering, in that case.
As for MEDRS I hope I haven't done anything in that area? I have no intentions of editing anything in there, have no knowledge/experience, etc. Invasive Spices (talk) 19:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, going with reviews, etc. did feel lazy to me at first too, but that's the nature of an encyclopedia as a tertiary source that mostly leans on secondary sources (as opposed to when we write reviews ourselves in journals). It's kind of the added burden of being an expert editor. There's one concept called WP:NOTJOURNAL that helps give some scope too. It's definitely hard for a lot of academics to switch between a Wikipedia and journal writing hat because the preferences of using primary vs. secondary source are entirely switched. Reviews do help with generating more content at articles than just a single sentence or two though at least.
As for searching by review, do you have access to Web of Science? That's my main one I get through my university, but I also believe Scopus also has similar capabilities (it's been awhile). I'm still surprised Google Scholar hasn't gotten with the times yet on that kind of filtering unfortunately. Another thing in this topic we have going though is Extension is often a good accessible source for pest issues.
For the egg laying bit, I just noticed the year that also reminded me about the primary source issue. I'm not sure myself if it's worth covering, but like I said, I didn't consider it a big deal, otherwise I would have spoke up at the article about something. Looking at the edit again, the first paragraph can work since that description is part of an overview more than anything, so somewhat secondary. The second paragraph is where I'm left wondering if it is really WP:DUE to include in the sense of is this something important enough that secondary sources would cover it? It's not that it's bad information, but a secondary overview source would drive home the point that it belongs in an encyclopedia as opposed to more technical information we could indiscriminately pick out of the many primary sources out there. Hopefully that helps give a little idea of how the thought process can work with that example instead of you finding out in a more controversial area.
And again, don't fret too much over this, I'm just trying to help navigate a topic many have written about in the community, so no chastising or anything like that coming from me. For where you tend to edit, it's best just to remember that secondary sources are the gold standard, while primary resources shouldn't be reached for right away at least. If a primary looks best in a certain situation, that's a call you'll be able to make with experience since you don't seem to wander into the more strict topics like medical ones. Feel free to stop by my talk page if you ever having sourcing questions. KoA (talk) 04:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Good editing

I've spotted your efforts around, looks like you are a real editor. Abductive (reasoning) 02:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User: Youssef Ahmed Mo

Thanks... ugh. He's made like seven contributions to Wikipedia, none of which are particularly useful to our mission. Two were vandalism on two different pages. Two more were grammar "fixes" that only show he doesn't know English. And three were his user page, on which he provides personal details that show he's not yet even an adult. Do feel free to revert and warn people who are just vandalizing, or you can tag me or others to help you.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention. J♯m (talk | contribs) 12:42, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a welcome template as well as a personal message to his usertalk page. His first edit was obvious vandalism, but he said that it was a test and an accident -- and I can't dispute that based on his continuing edit history (he's not continuing to vandalize the Wiki, even if some of his continuing edits are somewhat less than helpful).I'm going to WP:AGF in his case for now, unless I get reasons to do otherwise. Please check my user talk for my further comments on his behavior on wiki and breakdowns of each articlespace edit he has made -- they're not as bad as I had originally thought. J♯m (talk | contribs) 16:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

False Removal of My Edit

You removed my Oriental rat flea edit in which I said it was collected in Sudan not in Egypt; And called it " vandalism " , It clearly states in the Charles Rothschild page he collected it in Sudan and not in Egypt , I hope you reply to me soon , Stay well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youssef Ahmed Mo (talk • contribs) 10:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No need to be so toxic lmao just chill and revert what you don't like , Ciao ;P Youssef Ahmed Mo (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Why don't you respond to my questions? Respectfully. Boghog (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • You are conflating two separate issues. I am trying to centralize discussion on one page where the discussion started, but you are not responding. Please respond. Thanks. Boghog (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Note for any other editors reading this: The above user has a long term habit of removing fields from {{cite}} templates, especially but not limited to authors. He tries to keep it polite and attempts to explain that |vauthors= is the only format allowed. Any new and naive editors even thank him and praise him for letting them know! If anyone points out that that is in fact not true, he escalates and begins throwing wild accusations that anything other than |vauthors= is prohibited by WP:CITEVAR. Obviously that's not true. In fact WP:CITEVAR#Variation_in_citation_methods explicitly and specifically says not to do what he's doing, and points to the WP:RFA/Sortan ArbCom decision. Obviously every article on WP does not coincidentally have |vauthors= as its mandatory format. Of the articles where he's given me this "first major author used |vauthors= so adding citations with any other style is disruptive editing" gobbeldygook, 100% have in fact only had any |vauthors= because the above user has fiddled the cites. Discouraging other editors from adding citations at all, threatening them that they are breaking the rules by doing so, is shocking conduct. This is vandalism, long-term vandalism, and subtle vandalism. As his Talk - and a great many article Talk pages - reflect, this degradation of citations has drawn the objections of a large number of editors. Unfortunately there has not yet been the will on WP to deal with him. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, your understanding of WP:CITEVAR is fundamentally flawed. What CITEVAR says is that when there is a dispute, defer to the first major contributor. When there is a previously established style, don't attempt to change it unless there is consensus to do so. Finally, per WP:FACR, criteria 2c is consistent citations. In other words, a requirement for the very best articles in Wikipedia is that citations be consistently formatted. Boghog (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In the STAT4 and TBX21 articles, I established the style, you have fiddled with them. Boghog (talk) 20:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article atrazine

Moved to Talk:Atrazine#Syngenta and Hayes ---- Invasive Spices (talk) 18:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rapeseed

Hi! Great work on adding the Genetics and breeding section in the Rapeseed article. I just wanted to ask if you can add the page numbers to the citations that you've added. It's best to have page numbers in the Sfn for each instance where the cite is used. Ciridae (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lessepsian migration

Hi I do not understand your action on this article. The FishBase link works, why does it need verified? Froese, Rainer; Pauly, Daniel (eds.). "Alosa pseudoharengus". FishBase. June 2021 version. Quetzal1964 (talk) 17:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for making rodent-related edits. I saw you edit rodent articles and medical content related to rodents. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bold scientific names

Although I disagree with it, WP:WikiProject Animals#Article content says that the original at European hornet was the correct style for animal articles. (WP:PLANTS style differs.) Peter coxhead (talk) 19:50, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Class III transposable elements

Hello. I strongly apologise to bother you, but if you do not mind, I would like to ask a question regarding the article Transposable element. I believe it should include some information on the so-called Class III TEs (see: Pierre Capy et al., Dynamics and Evolution of Transposable Elements, 1998).

If you find some time, could you briefly describe Class III TEs, please? I was about to do it myself at the end of the Classification section, but I must admit I have difficulty with the correct wording of this paragraph so that it is acceptable according to Wikipedia standards. Since I greatly appreciate your contributions to biology-related articles, I decided to contact you and rely on your knowledge here. Thank you very much. Kind regards, --Pinoczet (talk) 13:00, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello @Pinoczet: I'm pleased I've been doing a good job. I am sorry to say that in this case I am not sure it is even appropriate to add Class IIIs: From what I can see there is no settled definition of what they are, or if such a category even exists. They seem to be barely mentioned in the literature. Boutanaev and Osbourn 2018 do call MITEs Class III, but Kaminker et al 2002 don't use the term at all, and Baez is a mathematician - although he does correctly say there does not seem to be clarity around the term. I think we should wait until there is a definite meaning. Invasive Spices (talk) 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. Yes, I agree with you. However, I think it would be reasonable to briefly describe, perhaps as a side note, Class III TEs, i.e., define them according to some researchers and give the examples (Foldbacks, TU elements, MITEs), just to let the readers know such a category exists. To my knowledge, this is not a widely accepted view, but I believe it is worth mentioning in a few words. Regards, --Pinoczet (talk) 14:01, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

European hare

Your edits to European hare were not helpful. It is not formal for wiki images to be frameless. Please don't do that again. LittleJerry (talk) 00:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Frameless is perfectly normal. Edit warring over your personal whims and calling my edits vandalism is unusual and is unacceptable. Invasive Spices (talk) 22 November 2021 (UTC)
I did not know who did it when I reverted and it looked like vandalism. When I looked at the history and found that you did it. I contacted you. And don't accuse me of hounding you because I changed your edits for rodent since I'm one of the users who brought that article to FA. By your own logic, you also hounded me based on this edit. Also, you shouldn't bring your personal issues with me on Talk:Rodent. LittleJerry (talk) 17:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @LittleJerry: If you continue to revert war removing someone else's comments on a Talk: page you may be blocked. As for the rest of this any history of editing a page is irrelevant when it comes to hounding: You changed the text from what the source says to something the source does not support as a way of continuing a personal dispute from another page. As for Queen angelfish that page is on my watchlist and I was unaware who was involved - if I had been I would have probably not fixed that problem. In any case that was obviously not harassment: I returned the image because the edit summary suggested the removing editor (you) did not understand how WP works. I'm a little surprised if you've contributed to an FA and yet also don't understand basic things like how to deal with a suspicion that something has a copyright problem, or that internet connectivity may temporarily fail. Invasive Spices (talk) 28 November 2021 (UTC)
You changed the text from what the source says to something the source does not support as a way of continuing a personal dispute from another page. No I didn't, I simply reworded it. It had nothing to due with a "personal dispute". LittleJerry (talk) 18:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I was attempting to be nice and credit a new user who had taken the photographs. OK then. Invasive Spices (talk) 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Cactus

Hi Invasive Spices. Looking at the references for citation, I think for conferences you meant to use title for the conference and contribution for the paper name. Also if you use citation rather than one of the specific cite templates (e.g. book, journal, etc), the citation template tries to guess which one you meant to use (that's where the URL error came from, it thought you meant cite web). ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 20:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes I did not really use {{citation}} but {{cite conference}}. Some one else changed it saying that CS2 (if I remember correctly) is required on that page and that is a CS2 template. I have suggested on Template talk:Citation that it should accept |conference= and automatically change its type in that case. Invasive Spices (talk) 3 December 2021 (UTC)
The other solution if it's necessary to use the CS2 style (which it is on Cactus) is to use "cite conference |mode=cs2 |..." As far as I know, |mode=cs2 is accepted in all the cite family of templates. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Or - fascinating idea - you could just not join in with this "consistent citations" game and thereby not introduce one catastrophic error and several smaller ones on what had been a working page. Invasive Spices (talk) 7 December 2021 (UTC)
A "working page", especially when it's an GA or above, requires all the citations to have a consistent style. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:34, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Impressive. "Consistency of citations requires breaking the citations." The three of you should get tattoos of this together. Invasive Spices (talk) 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Of course it doesn't, and no-one would say that. Breaking the citations is even more of an error than making them inconsistent. There's no need to break them when making them consistent, but everyone sometimes makes editing mistakes. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:19, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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List of radar types

Just by curiosity : what is the purpose of your edition (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_radar_types&curid=1358398&diff=1064134479&oldid=1058749568)?

Pierre cb (talk) 00:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Pierre cb: I have also created redirects [1] & [2]. They redirect to that {{visible anchor}}. Invasive Spices (talk) 7 January 2022 (UTC)
OK. Pierre cb (talk) 20:01, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Tone on talk pages

Just stopping by as a reminder to watch your tone on talk pages, especially with comments like this. WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior like that is never appropriate.

Keep in mind I nominated you for editor of the week awhile back because you were (and still are) doing a lot of good work when I've been seeing your name pop up on articles in my watchlist. Your attitude lately is as if I've been entirely antagonistic towards you, when in reality that's been very rare that I've disagreed with your edits. Sometimes editors have trouble with their edits not always getting traction and have trouble navigating content disputes, especially if they aren't used to community norms in certain areas. No set of editors will agree all of the time, so you should not be misconstruing the few times I disagree with an edit as anything but very minor (and fairly old) content disagreements like at Talk:Norman_Borlaug#Support_for_pesticide_use.

It's unfortunate to see twice now that "blowing up" like that has made it's way to ANI[3][4] A trend of reacting like that to basic content disputes and being unable to edit collaboratively often leads to a WP:NOTHERE block, even if someone provides good edits in areas where there is no dispute. I'm saying that because I don't want to see you walk off that cliff and head it off now, so please work on the attitude and dealing with times when edits don't work out quite how you want. Others have also given you patient advice on this, including Chiswick Chap, so please heed their advice. KoA (talk) 00:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone making the mistake of taking this seriously should click the links. Prepare to wonder what they have to do with this description. Prepare to wonder about the source of this description. (For the other use of this "tone" tactic, see here. Prepare to be curious again.)
Anyhow. Hello Kingofaces43: First you were [5][6][7][8][9][10][11], culminating in [12] when I refused to take the bait. Then you [13][14]. Then nothing.
Such solid time trends – irrespective of the actual content of my edits – are odd. What is the pattern here? What is causing this timing? Anyone seeing this is very interested in the origin of this text. Invasive Spices (talk) 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Those diffs are mixture of some cases where I was opposed to a few edits, some where I was directed to you a better place to put them, and cases like the last ones where I was overall in support of your edit or comment. In this case I agreed with you and undid the very edit you didn't agree with. That's why this sudden mentality is so odd. Please slow down. If it helps, I would seriously ask you to have someone else read this message you just posted to me and see what they say. KoA (talk) 01:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Over 1 year later — a reply here would be difficult to find. See #Blowup for the continuation of this section.

Library

Whoever did that thank you. I had wanted to do that but couldn't understand how to get it. Invasive Spices (talk) 26 January 2022 (UTC)

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Boy that esculentum quickly. Invasive Spices (talk) 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Australian Magpies. Nz biosecurity email

I hav the email if it helps 119.224.43.155 (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To the guy who thanked me sometimes

Why?
Why did you thanked me sometimes? Also, do you thanked other user sometimes? 500yearss (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @500yearss: I forgot that I had thanked you before and yes I thank any other user I see doing the same. You have done two things I noticed in your 101 edits so far. Two is unusual – some users just break things and cause problems. Invasive Spices (talk) 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello @Invasive Spices: Thanks for your response. Also, what do you mean when you say "You have done two things I noticed in your 101 edits so far. Two is unusual – some users just break things and cause problems"? 500yearss (talk) 16:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You I only Watchlist a few pages of the many that WP has. You've done two things I've noticed that I liked. I forgot I had thanked you before – I hope I didn't spam you. Other users Many of the edits of new users are Vandalism. I don't know until I read the edit. Invasive Spices (talk) 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Spikey-cheek crayfish

Thanks for the change in the synonyms part of the "Orconectes limosus" article.

I have a note though. You added "Orconectes limosus" at the beginning at the article in front of "Faxonius limosus". I get that it is a bit confusing if the article is named as Orconectes limosus and the article starts with a different scientific name but the name is outdated, so I would suggest to change the title of the article to the trivial name or the currently accepted scientific name. I would have done that myself but I am not allowed as a new user.

I hope I use this talk function correctly because I am new to wikis. Please tell me, if I used it incorrectly or forgot something and how to converse about such things instead in the future. NotImportant-Biology (talk) 21:25, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @NotImportant-Biology: I see this is a taxonomy question and I am not a taxonomist. So we need someone who both understands taxonomy and is allowed to move the page. If you can provide proof at Talk:Orconectes limosus#Page name that this is the correct name and the other is invalid then someone will surely do it. (I will if I understand although that is improbable.) Invasive Spices (talk) 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Invasive Spices for your reply. Shall I post a link to a paper there which is explaining that all species of the genus "Orconectes" are now considered as "Faxonius" because of the priority rule? In that sense the genus Orconectes is invalid as a whole.

This is the doi of the article: https://doi.org/10.2307/2420820 NotImportant-Biology (talk) 06:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paclobutrazol rewrite?

Hi Invasive Spices

I took a look at paclobutrazol yesterday and found it to be in a sorry state, particularly in the way citations have been included and how emphasis has been given to obscure uses in, for example, Ophiopogon japonicus while ignoring the main uses of this PGR in cereal crops and ornamental plants. Like you, I noticed that two editors CazimirXVII and Convolvulus sepium had expanded the article on March 17: these edits are the only ones from either of those accounts. I'm not sure what to do now and seek your advice/assistance. Should we revert back to the earlier stub and work forward again to improve the article, or just start tidying up from where it is now? I'd be grateful for your help in the re-write. I can start easily enough with the chemistry, which has clearly confused all previous editors since the material as licensed and sold has always been a mixture of the (2R,3R) and (2S,3S) isomers (which are enantiomers of one another) BUT has never contained the other (2R,3S) / (2S,3R) diastereoisomer pair, in contrast to the drawing at the top of the article and the IUPAC name shown, which imply all four isomers to be present. Thoughts? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that was hard to read. Whence my very limited welcome to the user "You have lengthened the page". File:Asd.gif I see Storchy is deep into improvements so radical stub reversion averted! Your improvements to the racemate/synth paragraphs are a good next step. I will verify & add to the MOA, physiology and gene interaction parts. Some of it is entirely uncited. Invasive Spices (talk) 28 March 2022 (UTC)
I had to smile when I read the WP article Convolvulus sepium, especially the section on eradication.. Talk about nominative determinism! Fortunately it seems they have disappeared without trace. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't recognise the name but I guess I have seen it before. That is funny but remember it was 3 weeks between sprouts the first time, and only 1 week so far, and it may resprout for 30 years. Really though hopefully he/she will become more communicative and maybe a little more familiar with English, and return to work with us. There are lots of vandals out there and at least this wasn't one of them. Invasive Spices (talk) 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Acacia decurrens

Hi, thanks for getting back to me. What do you mean by 'publicly known'? I provided a second source from Western Sydney University about the sisters' story which further discusses the use of the acacia as a seasonal indicator. [15] There is also a book published by the authors of the website compiling their stories. [16] It is held by 32 libraries Australia-wide, so the use of the website over a hardcopy of their book is purely a matter of convenience. The authors of the website are also published in the Griffith Review about Aboriginal storytelling here, so they could be considered experts on the subject. Other articles on natural features, such as the constellation Orion, include information about the stories people told about them alongside their physical characteristics, so I do not believe that WP:NOTE is relevant here. --159.196.100.171 (talk) 21:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I have moved this to the species Talk page [17]. Invasive Spices (talk) 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Clusia rosea

Hi, I get what you are saying about using the source's terminology, "strangles". My feeling is that the general public, Wikipedia's audience, is often woefully misinformed when it comes to science, and this includes botany. I'd guess we'd both agree that Clusia rosea is, basically, a science article. I was once (1970s) "knowledgeably" informed by a gardener friend of mine that the roots of Hedera helix "strangle" the roots of other plants as part of, apparently, some perfidious underground strategy; this evil compulsion was why I should not be helping such an 'immoral' species by propagating grape ivy (in pots, no less).

If a quotation were to be pulled from PIER's source and used as such, that would be fine, although some mention of what constitutes "strangulation" would be quite helpful. The WP article on strangling doesn't mention the plant world. I find that some older sources for scientific articles either are misinformed or else contain misleading, confusing or antiquated language. The original source of the PIER statement may have been working from a British Raj point of view!

In any case, I feel that WP could use an article on the plant survival strategy of "strangling", which it currently seems to lack. I've just tweaked your version of the paragraph for additional clarity; I hope it pleases both of us. Thanks for your ongoing, indefatigable efforts and clear communication. PS: "Scotch attorney???" --Quisqualis (talk) 00:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to Talk:Clusia rosea#Strangler. Invasive Spices (talk) 5 April 2022 (UTC)

List of aquaria

I believe that's more than apparent to most reasonable people. But thanks for the reminder. 1.64.46.233 (talk) 12:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tauros Programme and Taurus cattle article

Dear Invasive Spices,

you reverted most of my edits on the Tauros Programme. I just want to inform you that Justlettersandnumbers deleted entire passages in the Taurus cattle article because he diagnosed a lack of independent reliable sources which are needed for Wikipedia. The problem with the Tauros Programme article is that it relies heavily on press releases from the Stichting Taurus, which is the foundation who runs the project, so not an independent reliable source either. I assume that what is not OK in one article is not OK in the other article as well, or is it? BTW, I don't think the Tauros Programme and Taurus cattle are competing, rather they run parallel and they even made a conference together in 2015. Furthermore, you didn't tell me what exactly suggests (in my edits) that I am in any shape or form affiliated with Taurus cattle. You should ask the same to those who put unreliable information in the Tauros Programme article the same question. Thanks, DFoidl (talk) 16:19, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

⇨ Talk:Tauros Programme#Tauros Programme and Taurus cattle article

California Agriculture, San Jose scale

Hi Invasive Spices, Thanks for all of your additions to Agriculture in California. The new information is a definite improvement. I ran across the San Jose scale article which seems relevant to this area, but the references are weak. I wonder if you have any thoughts on how to include / better source this content. That article also states that the ladybird was introduced to the United States in order to control the San Jose scale, which is an interesting historical point (very early IPM?), but also poorly referenced.Dialectric (talk) 17:22, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sumner, Daniel A.; Buck, Jr., Frank H. (2003). Exotic Pests and Diseases: Biology and Economics for Biosecurity. Ames, Iowa, US: Iowa State Press. p. 265. ISBN 978-0-470-29012-5. OCLC 212121111.

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thanks for your hard work on expanding the agriculture section of Economy of Florida! I love seeing it pop up on my watchlist. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion regarding your conduct

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In the interest of clarity and regarding the edits of Benchijiguando, let me repeat something I said in the ANI thread: As is noted at WP:NOTVANDALISM, Edit warring is not vandalism. —C.Fred (talk) 14:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Repeating my reply at ANI: Yes I am and was aware that they are not the same thing. I did not make that report on the basis that they are the same. I have now explained my motives for that report at the ANI. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Benchijiguando has been blocked as a sock of someone named BKFIP. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 June 2022 (UTC)

June 2022

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Lindane. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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What on earth? I appear to be doing no such thing. Are you really warning me to stop edit warring for something from 4 days ago? 3 reversions when the opposing editor 4rr? Invasive Spices (talk) 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Would you have preferred I block you as well as them? CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This flippant incommunicative response is not useful. You are ABF. You appear to be convinced that this is obviously not vandalism and I have been reverting in bad faith. I reported this at AIV because to me it is obvious vandalism. Are you really threatening to block me because you disagree with my interpretation of what kind of edit Benchijiguando made? Invasive Spices (talk) 13 June 2022 (UTC)
No I'm not threatening to block you. However, Benchijiguando's edit is not Wikipedia:Vandalism as you were told in the section above. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While 3RR is a brightline rule, it is not the definition of a blockable offence for edit warring. The warning is in order, particularly with the now-repeated reminder that the other party was not vandalizing the article.
Personally, in similar situations, I will put the following in the edit summary and/or a warning to the user I am reverting: "You have repeatedly made the same edits. You need to (more fully) explain why you're making the edits on the talk page. If you do not explain, your edits are likely to be dealt with as disruption." —C.Fred (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CambridgeBayWeather I wasn't questioning whether you were threatening to block me for asking. I have no difficulty understanding Would you have preferred I block you as well as them? is a flippant threat. I am pleased to know you won't do so. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Benchijiguando has been blocked as a sock of someone named BKFIP. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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About Novius cardinalis

"(User:Shirt58 I don't think this is correct. I don't find the string "endem" anywhere in the reference. Am I unable to find it? (+archive. Modern <ref> syntax.))" Context: cleaning up my un-replied talk page messages following WP:ADMINACCT Shirt58 (talk) 10:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at Talk:Novius cardinalis#Endemism. (I'm not sure why this is ADMINACCT.) Invasive Spices (talk) 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Your edit to New South Wales

Hello Invasive Spices

I reverted your edit to New South Wales because it was a promotion of a private business: Wikipedia:PROMOTION. Also the information is not sufficiently notable to be included in a general article on NSW. There are hundreds of thousands of businesses operating in NSW and their presence in the state is not sufficient reason to include them in the article or provide a link to their commercial website. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:34, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

please stop adding ORCID identifiers as authors in cs1|2 templates

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This search finds about 20 articles that have |author<n>= with [[ORCID]] as an assigned value. These are a pain to fix because all subsequent |last<n>= / |first<n>= / |author<n>= parameters must be renumbered. I would appreciate it if you would fix these so that I (or other editors) don't have to.

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Economy of Florida

I'm thinking about splitting the agriculture portion of the article out to Agriculture in Florida, mainly because there is so much of it compared to the rest of the industries (not a bad thing!). I'd leave an executive summary in the economy article, of course. Since you're the primary engine for the content there I figured I'd run it by you in case you had any objections. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm glad I've been able to contribute. It's not necessary yet but I won't object. It will need to be done at some point and there is no "necessary" date. Invasive Spices (talk) 24 July 2022 (UTC)
  • I mean, just because it isn't strictly "necessary" quite yet doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Doing it now means fewer future redirects to correct, for example. I'll try to get to it tonight if it's not busy. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Interaction with User:Butlerblog

Hi I see you recently had some interaction with Butlerblog on their user talk page. Did you find that they seem to be a little bit arrant with their edits to say the least? I had placed something on their talk page and you came with a similar concern. They seem to become very offended when anyone criticizes their work and what’s interesting is that now they’ve completely edited their talk page to make it seem like the whole interaction/topic was different than it really was. My comments were removed for example, making the topic seem different than it really is. Seems rather disingenuous. Do you concur?

Cheers! 98.103.253.178 (talk) 04:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that that is disingenuous. I think that user removes comments inappropriately. Invasive Spices (talk) 4 September 2022 (UTC)
For the record, there is nothing inherently wrong with removing comments from your own personal talk page. With the exception of certain administrative block templates, removal is acceptable per WP:BLANKING: Policy does not prohibit users, whether registered or unregistered, from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. If a user removes material from their talk page, it is normally taken to mean that the user has read and is aware of its contents. There is no need to keep them on display.
Not that I'm required to share the reasons for doing so, but with regards to the specific comments mentioned here, they were removed because the user was trolling and wikihounding and the comments served no other useful purpose. ButlerBlog (talk) 15:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Butlerblog: I don't know about that and that may be true. Certainly I agree you may remove comments from your Talk: no matter what I think. I refered to your removal of comments on article Talk: pages which I think was inappropriate. I am not involved in those discussions however and know nothing about them so won't say anything more about it. Invasive Spices (talk) 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Well, if you're referring to the talk page at Twelve Tribes communities, then another FTR... Ordinarily, I would agree with you, and removal should be avoided. However, like everything else, it has to be looked at in context. That was the result of a user who was indeffed and was committing block evasion through numerous sock puppets (which the above IP also has turned out to be). The user had a history of posting personal information of living persons (that had to be scrubbed by WP:OVERSIGHT) as well as persistent vandalism and personal attacks across several articles, much of which was on talk pages - all of which warrant removal per WP:TPO. Comments that were block evasion, vandalism, personal attacks, or trolling were the ones removed. Others were handled by strikethrough, if warranted. It was a fairly extensive cleanup. It all went through AN/I and SPI and wasn't some random deletion just because someone (me) didn't like it. You're welcome to your opinion on the matter which you've stated clearly, and I don't expect my comments to change it, but you simply don't have the full picture of what happened. ButlerBlog (talk) 19:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Agriculture in New South Wales

Hello

I have moved some of the information you have added to this article to the Economy of New South Wales article. The level of detail about crop diseases etc is more appropriate for the latter article. I see that another editor has suggested that the level of detail you provide about agricultural diseases might be more appropriate for a specific article about agriculture in NSW or crop diseases in NSW. I agree with this suggestion and would encourage you to develop such articles. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 01:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, more specific pages are certainly the place for the specific information I keep adding. (Note however that in this particular case that anonymous IP editor blanked two sections Special:Contributions/134.53.89.25 on two unrelated pages.) Invasive Spices (talk) 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Stop restoring pointless parenthesis

As explained several times now, you do not have consensus for these pointless restorations. We do not mix full names and abbreviated names in citations. No style guide supports that. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:06, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have explained several times now that you are engaged in long term harassment and stalking for several years and I will not have any dealings with you. I have told you several times over the past few years to just go away and stop. You have suddenly developed this obsession with my edits on one particular page at one particular time for troubling reasons. You still have not cited any such style guide or given any reason other than personal preference. Randykitty has also cited only personal preference. Worse in neither case is personal preference the real reason: I am well aware of the reason for your resumption of harassment behaviours and the timing for your resumption.
Headbomb do you know why you have resumed harassing me?
Headbomb do you know why you are harassing me on only one article and no others?
Headbomb do you know why you resumed harassing me at the time that you did?
Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
As explained before these questions are simply invalid because it presumes I'm harassing you, which I am not. See also WP:AGF. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 2022

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If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Randykitty (talk) 07:49, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Randykitty: Yes the creator of almost 100% of the article has been dealing with obviously WP:NOTHERE behavior by a long term harasser and stalker, specifically Headbomb. You have been helping a disruptive troll to continue. Stop. Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Randykitty what purportedly disruptive edit or edits does this block pertain to? I wrote the above assuming I was certain but I'm not. Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
@Randykitty: You have refused to provide even a basic explanation of your block. WP:EXPLAINBLOCK — Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
You must either do what WP:BLOCKPOL requires you to do or unblock me. Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
@Randykitty: That's not how blocking a user works. WP:BLOCKPOL requires clarity for several reasons. One of them is to distinguish between WP:OPTIONS appropriate and inappropriate uses of Sitewide blocks and Partial blocks.
If you accuse me of misconduct on only one page you must not impose a Sitewide block. On the other hand if you accuse me of sitewide misconduct you claim something you have not even accused me of before.
Because you refuse to satisfy the requirement of an explanation WP:EXPLAINBLOCK for this block no one can evaluate its appropriateness. Blocks are not meant to be incomprehensible and unreviewable by others. Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
A point of order - there is absolutely nothing in policy that requires an admin to impose a partial block instead of a site-wide block. It is entirely up to the discretion of the blocking admin and there are many admins who choose never to use the partial block option.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ponyo: OK. Is Wikipedia:Administrators#Accountability required? It certainly is. Invasive Spices (talk) 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Admin accountability requires an admin to provide a response when questioned regarding their use of their tools; there is no requirement that the the response meet the satisfaction of the agrieved editor. If you believe there has been abuse of tools, you are free to dispute their actions. -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So you agree with what I said below: Refusal to respond is not good. Invasive Spices (talk) 16 September 2022 (UTC)
? Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Let's be explicit then.
  1. You have stealth reverted edits multiple times with the specific goals to restore pointless acronyms/abbreviations. These stealth reverts also undid various other fixes, like restoring an incorrect CAB Review from a corrected CABI Reviews and missing article identifiers.
  2. You have, on multiple occasions, falsely claimed (or at least falsely implied) to have made use of Talk:Agriculture in California to have sought consensus only to be ignored/bullied, etc, when in fact you have never made a post that talk page related to the use of acronyms/full names. You then went on a very unclear diatribe about unrelated users' interactions with you on unrelated topics as to why you aren't seeking consensus.
  3. Multiple users have explained to you that in citations, you either use the acronym, or the full name, but not both. This did not give you any pause.
  4. You have on multiple occasions (including right above) accused me of harassing/stalking/bullying you and of lying, which is demonstrably false. You have kept making these false accusations after this was pointed to you.
  5. You have yet to demonstrate to understand that the above behaviour is disruptive/not acceptable.
That should about cover it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to dignify this with a response however:
CABI Reviews is incorrect.[21][22] Although automated tools may change it to CABI Reviews an examination of the source shows it is CAB Reviews. CABI has little staff and little funding and so cannot correct everything.
Billard → Billiard is incorrect.[23][24] Another user also did that and I reverted. I then restored their prefered punctuation and other changes which I had also accidentally reverted because those are perfectly normal edits. There is a difference between those and your edits. That user thanked me for the reversion.
you have never made a post that talk page related to the use of acronyms/full names. Have you? You have not.[25] I used your Talk: which is perfectly normal. What point are you trying to make?
These examples remind us that:
Listening to the creator of almost all of the article is necessary. That user is myself in this case.
Automated edit warring is undesirable either with AWB or your bot.[26]
edits made using this software are the responsibility of the editor using it.[27] Invasive Spices (talk) 15 September 2022 (UTC)

September 2022 unblock request

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Request reason:

Blocking admin Randykitty refuses to explain block. WP:EXPLAINBLOCK. Invasive Spices (talk) 14 September 2022 (UTC) 16:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Nothing here convinces me you'd be less disruptive if I lifted the block early. Indeed, it looks likely you'll end up getting blocked indefinitely. I sincerely hope that isn't the case. Yamla (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Maple Syrup Article

Hi Invasive Species,

You said 'Hello @Absolutely Certainly: The duplicate <ref>s do need to be merged the way @Nikkimaria did or in some similar way. I don't know about the other changes. Invasive Spices (talk) 17 September 2022 (UTC)' To which duplicate references are you referring? Citations 5, 7, 9, and 14 are about 4 different species of maple trees, as are citations 6, 8, 10, and 15 (with pictures). Absolutely Certainly (talk) 21:13, 17 September 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Thank you. You provided an explanation backed with a reference that confirms your explanation. I will pass on trying to improve this article as their is too much opposition. But if I did, an example of a major change I would do is change the first paragraph of the lead from:
Maple syrup is a syrup made from the xylem sap of sugar maple, black maple or red maple trees, although it can also be made from other maple species. In cold climates, these trees store starch in their trunks and roots before winter; the starch is then converted to sugar that rises in the sap in late winter and early spring. Maple trees are tapped by drilling holes into their trunks and collecting the sap, which is processed by heating to evaporate much of the water, leaving the concentrated syrup.
To:
Maple syrup is made from the sap of maple trees. The sap is collected by drilling small holes into the trunks of a maple trees. inserting small pipes in the holes, which allow the sap to flow into containers placed below the pipes. The collected sap is then boiled down to produce maple syrup. Mainly produced in Eastern Canada and Northern New England, Quebec is notable as it produces 70% of the total worldwide supply.
Short, sweet. Avoids all the specific information that is explained in the body of the article. Absolutely Certainly (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have replied Talk:Maple syrup#Merge dupe refs. — Invasive Spices (talk) 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Pleistocene rewilding

Both of Delete-boy's talk page interventions were out of process and against policy, since if you nuke someone else's comments which are not obvious vandalism (and are not on your own user talk page), and you don't offer any explanation, then your actions are always automatically out of process and against policy. However, Delete-boy has convinced me that he's a 100% malicious little individual, so Delete-boy can go on leading his wretched miserable little life, and I don't want to be involved in it any manner. AnonMoos (talk) 16:33, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't agree with that because WP:NOTFORUM. Apokryltaros should have said that. If you have sources then it should be added. I'm just repeating what I said on Talk:Pleistocene rewilding. — Invasive Spices (talk) 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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WP:SYNTH. Just like other people, nobility migrates as well. Some even to the US. A random selection of some examples (including an ambassador, hardly a relevant inclusion) doesn't an article make.

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  • including an ambassador, hardly a relevant inclusion I suggest reading the article before PRODing it. The text already explains why an ambassador (Prince Bandar) is counted as an immigrant in addition to being an ambassador: He bought large amounts of real estate not related to his ambassadorial duties, and became so connected with the Cowboys that he bought a seat next to the owner. You could have also read Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud which shows that he continued to serve as unofficial ambassador even after being removed from his post, and has spent a large amount of his life every year in the country since. I will add that to the article. Invasive Spices (talk) 7 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Those objections might necessitate moving it over the List of upper class immigrants to the United States redirect but that won't be necessary. The idea that only this category of immigration can't have an article is strange. Invasive Spices (talk) 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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  • Thank you. I should have done that by now. This is probably the source I read [28]. — Invasive Spices (talk) 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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Certainly they should not redirect to different places. I think mine is the more specific target. Invasive Spices (talk) 14 December 2022 (UTC)

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That is much better Invasive Spices (talk) 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Noticeboard

Hi Invasive Spice sorry I can't reply to on Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard due to the reply option being missing. Not sure what has happened 1keyhole (talk) 21:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @1keyhole: You can use {{ping|Invasive Spices}} the way I did here with you. Invasive Spices (talk) 30 December 2022 (UTC)

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get off my talk page.....

....and stay off it. Don't blame me because you came you with a malformed RFC. You've had several editors (aside from me) tell you the RFC is screwed up. Learn the rules here.Rja13ww33 (talk) 17:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The technicalities of RFC submission syntax do not justify the large volume of personal insults you have generated. I corrected the format and everyone other than yourself has moved on with the RFC. No one other than yourself has posted personal insults in response to my lack of understanding of RFC syntax.
You have a history of several years[29] of WP:SPA editing for one WP:POV. That is against the rules here. My need to correct the RFC format was not. Invasive Spices (talk) 17 January 2023 (UTC)
The RFC was malformed....it STILL is malformed. On top of that, it is misleading. (As it doesn't take on what the point of dispute was.) My edits are not POV.....you simply don't know what you are doing. As demonstrated here [30] and in this RFC. How many people is it going to take (telling you) before you realize this?Rja13ww33 (talk) 19:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is classic WP:IDHT. Stop spamming repetitious comments on multiple pages.
You have been reminded by editors other than myself that your conduct is not WP:CIVIL. — Invasive Spices (talk) 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Only one other editor....and you can't blame me for getting exasperated with how hard-headed you are. You've now had three editors (aside from me) tell you your RFC is malformed....and one of them now backs my statement on how the issue should be stated. Either you have a learning disability or there is some language issue....but I would advise you to stop talking and listen.Rja13ww33 (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly there are continued complaints that the RFC is malformed. Certainly everyone should be concerned about that.
Certainly you should WP:TALKOFFTOPIC stop posting in the wrong section to mislead others about where the RFC is located. Invasive Spices (talk) 18 January 2023 (UTC)
In a discussion with you, it's hard to tell what is on or off-topic considering how screwed up it typically is. Blaming me for somehow misleading people as to where the RFC is (when it is a RFC you started) is kind of funny.Rja13ww33 (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Why did you feel the need to ping those editors? Invasive Spices (talk) 22 January 2023 (UTC)
So that they are aware that I named them. This is a common courtesy, in order that there be no impression that I am talking behind their backs. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can see you are very sincerely concerned about something. Redrose64, I appreciate your attempt at improving what ever it is you are improving. I appreciate that I am receiving the help of an admin for this I suppose pressing and urgent matter. I have a question for you now Redrose64: Why did you ping anyone? Invasive Spices (talk) 22 January 2023 (UTC)
(What do I do with something like this. What kind of response would work here. This is the kind of thing that doesn't need a response. As the history of the last few weeks shows, if I point out the obvious problem, then suddenly they…even more… On the one hand there is the topic of conversation, on the other hand there are all the other things in the world that are not the topic of conversation…but if I say that then they…
For those of you sincerely wondering what on earth is going on here: I don't normally edit anything with the slightest political relevance. Then I tried adding text to Allegations of CIA drug trafficking based upon a very good source and the rest is history. Let this be a lesson to the rest of you: DO IT. Certainly do what I did but be prepared for faeces. Large quantities of faeces. New loads of faeces, delivery, when you thought you had seen all the faeces there were to see.)
And when I say faeces I mean FERTILIZER because obviously that is something I do know a great deal about. Yes. That is it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Invasive Spices (talk • contribs) 22:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64, https://signatures.toolforge.org/check/en.wikipedia.org/Invasive%20Spices says that his signature is okay. So the question then is: How is he getting a bad date to appear? Your suggestion of three tildes followed by a manually typed (or copy/pasted) date is possible. Invasive, is that what you're doing?
If there is some reason that you're not using the Reply button (e.g., you have Javascript disabled, you don't like it), then I would love to hear about that, too. You can reply here (I'll subscribe to this section), or you can post at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project, where the devs will be more likely to see it directly. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Whatamidoing (WMF) If you and Redrose64 have time to do things like this you have sufficient time to respond to the derailing spam at Talk:Allegations of CIA drug trafficking#RFC on geography. Your use of your WMF account for this is interesting. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I use my work account, because WP:Talk pages project, and therefore understanding how editors post comments onto the talk page, is actually my job.  :-)
Work-me has no views at all on the content of any Wikipedia article. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:15, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blowup

Blowup is an interesting choice of words. That film inspired The Conversation and othersab. That makes me curious why this term was used. Invasive Spices (talk) 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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Stop collapsing a discussion that you're involved in over the objections of other editors as you did here or you will be blocked from that page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @ScottishFinnishRadish: I came to an agreement with Firefangledfeathers on that user's Talk:. I gave notice[31] 7 days ago that I would make that edit. I did so specifically to avoid the kind of nonsense you are engaged in here and now.
You were involved in that discussion. Your involvement culminated in literal WP:IDHT.[32] Neither you nor FFF objected in 7 days and so I proceeded.
Lastly what on earth does "you're involved in" mean in this context? Are you attempting to deploy WP:INVOLVED against me? I'm not an admin and that is not what WP:INVOLVED is about. You on the other hand are an admin, you are involved[33] in a revert war to maintain an inaccurate section header on behalf of a long term abusive WP:SPA (Rja13ww33) and therefore I must imagine the community will frown upon your warning me as a tactic to get your own way in something in which you are WP:INVOLVED. — Invasive Spices (talk) 21:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FFF simply said they were done reverting, which is more of a "it's not worth it" than a "you are correct." As far as involvement, as I explained to you on my talk page, WP:TPG clearly says Involved parties must not use these templates to end a discussion over the objections of other editors. That is a discussion you are involved in, as in actively taken part of. Lastly, my revert of your out of process closure on violation of WP:TPG does not make me WP:INVOLVED. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:03, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ScottishFinnishRadish: Please provide the diff which you claim is my out of process closure of the RFC. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Where did I say you closed the RFC? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In that case this isn't relevant to anything and you are – again – staging a distraction. In the interest of clarifying how obviously inappropriate this is, @ScottishFinnishRadish:
Please provide a diff showing that I closed anything.
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[34][35][36][37] are all examples of you closing a discussion that you were involved in in violation of WP:COLLAPSENO which, again, states Involved parties must not use these templates to end a discussion over the objections of other editors. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So – to repeat – that is obviously not a closure neither appropriate or inappropriate. I was – unfortunately – not ending Rja13ww33's personally abusive spam or RFC derailing by doing so. My edit left Rja13ww33 and cohort free to continue spamming the RFC – and indeed they did so.
The RFC section fell victim to several editors cooperating to derail the RFC. They then began posting the same derailing spam[38] in a section which is obviously not the RFC. Per WP:NPA and WP:TALKNO and WP:RFC this is not permitted in the RFC. Certainly it is bizarre for them to takeover a different section for the same spam. At least one editor[39] was unable to find the RFC because of that.
@ScottishFinnishRadish: Why are you edit warring and "warning" me in support of Rja13ww33 a long time WP:SPA whose "contributions" to this RFC[40] are solely WP:Personal attacks? — Invasive Spices (talk) 18:58, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the content of that discussion. The warning remains, however. If you disrupt a discussion like that again you will be blocked to end that disruption. I also encourage you to avoid referring to editors who disagree with you as a cohort, as that is a personal attack. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Calling attention to the anomalous conduct of a large number of editors strenuously working together to derail an RFC on a politically fraught subject is a personal attack? No of course it is not. Attacking the firebrigade is ominous. ScottishFinnishRadish the place to voice your disagreement with WP:TALK is Wikipedia talk:TALK. Raising concerns about the conduct of editors is normal and one of the primary purposes of Talk:s. As you are well aware that has never been prohibited and doing so would bring Wikipedia to a halt. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Invasive Spices, this was a post, a reply, or a comment; but one thing that it certainly wasn't is spam. Please do not describe legitimate posts as "spam" unless that person has been posting identical text to many different pages. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this editor understands what "spam" actually is. Just like they don't understand what a SPA is. Anyone can look at my editing history and see I am not a SPA.Rja13ww33 (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redrose64: Very interesting to see you misrepresent that edit. That has been one of my primary evidences and for good reason – it is an attempt by Rja13ww33 to mislead other editors as to where the RFC is located. Rja13ww33 inappropriately replied in a different section to make it appear as if that was the RFC question. At least one editor sincerely mistook where the RFC was located due to the volume of such distractions which followed that one.
On the subject of redefining "spam" I will not follow your redefinition. You're free to read spam if you sincerely don't know what that means. "Repetitious posting of any kind" is the most common definition and that is the definition I employ here. No one uses the definition you give here – no one defines it as byte for byte the same strings posted to multiple different locations. That is a proper subset of spam. If that were the only problem that would make Rja13ww33's comments disruptive but of course it is worse than that.
That is volumous repetition to derail an RFC because it is a politically fraught subject. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rja13ww33: Your edit history is the most obvious WP:SPA thing I have ever seen. The number of edits outside of your obsession area in the 8 years you have been here are very few. The number of edits I am able to find from any other than your obsession WP:POV is 0.
The tremendous effort by the above 2 admins – and a great many others in your 8 years here – to avoid handling your SPA problem is concerning. If I do that I have a problem. If they do that…I have a problem. Nonetheless some time your invisibility will fail you. Perhaps this is that time. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You must have a different definition of "zero" than most people. (Of course, your definition of a lot of things is different than most.) My last 500 edits include everything from the 1992 Dallas Cowboys to Jimmy Carter to Rocky III. If there is some sort of connection between those subjects (that is POV)....let me know.Rja13ww33 (talk) 02:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This technique again. (For the stalkers, very few is the phrase.) Invasive Spices (talk)
Yes, the technique as in: "Invasion Species is wrong (as usual)." Perhaps you should have stuck with "very few" instead of the ridiculous "The number of edits I am able to find from any other than your obsession WP:POV is 0." Of course, anyone can look at my history and see that your "very few"/"zero" claim is nonsense anyway you cut it.Rja13ww33 (talk) 01:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello @Onel5969: Why 3? Your page says 1. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. No it doesn't. It says that sometimes 1 is acceptable if the subject clearly meets an SNG (Specific notability guideline, e.g. populated places with a single source to an official census). This does not meet the standard. Onel5969 TT me 16:57, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Neither your own page nor WP:GNG agrees with you.
User:Onel5969 I also don’t have problems with either stub articles, or articles with a single source. As long as the source is good enough to pass WP:VERIFY, and as long as the article subject either pass WP:GNG or one of the SNG’s.
WP:GNG We require the existence of at least one secondary source so that the article can comply with Wikipedia:No original research's requirement that all articles be based on secondary sources.
Where did 3 come from? Invasive Spices (talk) 21:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Then why was I told in the past to avoid them at all costs? Rontrigger (talk) 22:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rontrigger: I don't know. Wikipedia has a lot of people saying a lot of things of which not 100% will be true. Good redlinks are desirable. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I did intend to participate but then forgot. will do so in the next few hours. Good reminder. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:07, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's bad you tagged me in with some "tangential" off-topic snarky comments. Using DR as cover for this is inappropriate in my view. Bon courage (talk) 02:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't tag you and that wasn't snark. I phrased that as gently as I could. The creator has a long history of this sort of thing and both editors required a warning by the moderator for continued EW during DR.
You obviously didn't write that essay for Reflecktor. I wasn't refering to Reflecktor. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So what are you doing? Why am I mentioned? Why is my essay mentioned? And why is Reflektor mentioned in relation to to it? Could you say simply what you mean because this all looks like some kind of veiled attack. Bon courage (talk) 19:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion discussion about Pat Robertson is a global businessman

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Slow down

Hello. I'd suggest that you slow down on creating redirects. While some of them seem helpful, others are very implausive and framed like sentences, for example American films are extremely popular around the world, Discussion of whether to release Kim Kardashian, Superstar, and Madeleine Albright surprised to learn of her parents Jewish ancestry. These redirects unnecessarily add to the backlog at RfD when they will understandably brought to discussion and likely deleted.

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May 2023

A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject or any other entity. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dsuke1998AEOS: Your statement is bizarre. Don't post hostile drivel to my Talk: like this again. That's obviously not an attack page. At the most extreme it could be misinterpreted as a fan page but that's obviously not true either.
It is a fact with citation and many more WP:V citations available if needed. Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with Wikipedia before policing it. Invasive Spices (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you have misunderstood my (somewhat over-the-top) warning. I was referring to your redirect, which is inappropriate because its title suggests that the article subject has harassed women, which isn't true. Otherwise, you can disregard the block threat above, which is excessive. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did misunderstand which article you intended. I will elaborate when I have time. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ScottishFinnishRadish: Why did you delete Roberta Marinelli's contribution to Sexual Harassment of Women? — Invasive Spices (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As Dsuke1998AEOS explained above, the article title suggested they contributed to the sexual harassment of women which was a clear BLP violation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ScottishFinnishRadish: Why did you not notify me? Invasive Spices (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion is taking place in the section with the CSD notification. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such section nor any such notification. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The first line of text in this section that we are now having a discussion in is A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion. That is the CSD notification. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ScottishFinnishRadish you are — again — wasting time pretending to not understand:

You gave no notice.
That notice gave no article name.
That warning wasn't understandable.
Dsuke1998AEOS isn't required to notify me.

You are aware you have a history of misconduct which makes any further interaction with me ill advised. You chose to threaten to block me for acting upon an agreement I had with another editor. You decided to misinterpret that agreement as disagreement. You did so to support a WP:POV political WP:GANG. A GANG which suddenly joined together to derail an RFC Talk:Allegations of CIA drug trafficking#RFC on geography by renaming and spamming a different section to make it appear to be the RFC. You are however quite happy to support WP:NPA personal attacks, and silence the alarm about that GANG. Certainly your next action regarding me shouldn't be to delete a supposed attack page which obviously isn't an attack page. (Even more obviously if you read its target Roberta Marinelli.) I do reasonably expect admins to read and honestly characterise what they see. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That was the standard notification for a G10 CSD, and repeating the article title would compound the BLP issue. I'm sorry you did not realize what it was referring to.
I'm also going to give you a clear, obvious warning against personal attacks. a WP:POV political WP:GANG. A GANG which suddenly joined together to derail an RFC Talk:Allegations of CIA drug trafficking#RFC on geography by renaming and spamming a different section to make it appear to be the RFC. is a clear personal attack. Don't do that again or I'll block you. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ScottishFinnishRadish: Call it what you like, you're attacking the firebrigade. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Overlinking and red linking

What are you trying to accomplish with all the linking in this edit on Coconut? Some links are multi-duplicates (see MOS:DL), whereas others are new for source terms that will never have a Wikipedia article or were for non-notable publishers. According to MOS:UL, links are used to aid understanding of the article content, not to highlight a favorite book publisher or a relatively unknown publisher.

Note that WP:REDLINK says " add red links to articles to indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable." Such linking is disruptive because it distracts reading. A redlink is intended to attract editor attention to either find a specific link or create an article for that link which has importance. Many of your links for sources on the Coconut article do not serve this purpose. Zefr (talk) 22:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zefr: highlight a favorite book publisher or a relatively unknown publisher?
disruptive?
I don't object tremendously to your edits to Coconut this time but if you continue to remove WP:MEDRS sources due to a radical antialternative medicine WP:POV you will be reverted. However I have limited time and my priorities are what they are.
If you continue to Talk:Ocimum tenuiflorum#RS remove nonmedical text because you WP:CIR think crop genetics is medical information I will revert and we will talk about competence. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the record: As your defense of using primary sources for medical content on Wikipedia was defeated here and here, and your editing history shows little interest in medical topics, I consider your knowledge of WP:MEDRS to be insufficient to warrant further discussion. Zefr (talk) 20:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The WP:DR you had with Reflecktor not myself? The DR in which you continued to editwar during the DR and thus had to be threatened by the moderator? Invasive Spices (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects and civility

Fram doesn't always have the most delicate touch, Invasive Spices, so I'm going to try to explain this more gently: You have created a large number of redirects that are not likely search terms and, as a result, are going to be deleted. I say "are going to be" and not "might be" because I have been an RfD regular for years, and an RfD admin for a year now, and I can spot a nomination that doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of ending any way but delete, and that's true of >80% of the redirects of yours that have been nominaed.

I understand that it must be very jarring to realize that something you've been doing, that you thought was helping the project, actually was not, in the eyes of your peers. And so there is a temptation to lash out. Right now, some of the things you've said to Fram are close to the border of blockable. Not quite there, but you look like you're on a course for that.

It doesn't have to go that way. If you don't understand why these redirects are unhelpful, I'm happy to explain, or perhaps J947 can, since he's shown some interest in doing so at RfD. Perhaps we can all come to some kind of understanding as to, as J947 alludes, what makes a good redirect. Or, equally valid, you could just walk away from redirects, accepting that it's an area where your sense of what works differs rather strongly from community norms.

But—and I always hate getting to this part of this kind of message, but I sort of have to—if you keep responding to each RfD with personal criticism of the nominator, I'm going to have to block you. And if you keep creating redirects with long unwieldy titles, without making an effort to see why other editors take issue with them, I'm going to have to block you. I don't want that. You don't want that. Let's deescalate things a few notches and figure out where the misunderstanding is here as to what redirects are for. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: This is not a delicate touch problem. Fram should not have been Special:Diff/901280610 unbanned.
Mass nomination so I struggle to respond is yet an other of Fram's tactics. Several of these are facially inappropriate nominations. Common {{R from subtopic}} mentioned at target with WP:RS:
Jewish passing as indigenous American — Special:Diff/1160186798 — Special:Diff/1160186515
Two separate Asian giant hornet introductions in North America — Special:Diff/1160185270
These are a deliberate waste of time. Are the admins supporting Fram's problematic conduct again and forbidding me from mounting a proper defense? How does one remedy Fram's saving nominations for months tactic?
One (that I have been able reply) of these is a continuing WP:IDHT + WP:COMPETENCE problem:
Geographic influence of dietary trends on epidemiology of Hashimoto's thyroiditis disorder in US — Special:Diff/1160185112
This I explained months ago. Fram didn't know the word epidemiology and felt no need to understand the target text or the sources before nominating for deletion. (WP:CIR) I explained that and thus Fram has even fewer excuses now. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 22#Epidemiology of IKBKAP in the United States
personal attacks — as the diffs reflect very few of my replies contain criticism and only one Special:Diff/1160185112 is a personal criticism. Fram is continuing IDHT+CIR in bad faith. I certainly did not give that a delicate touch.
sentences I have not continued making sentence redirects since first criticised. I think this is a strange objection without explanation or community vetting but there have been several so I stopped. WP:SEARCH works differently from years ago, search engines use them and AI search uses them extensively. I think these are useful but I stopped. I didn't reply with personal attacks. I suggested compromises:
Negotiating free trade agreements between the US and other nations involves screen quotas — Special:Diff/1160186195
More research is required in social immunity — Special:Diff/1160188732
Invasive Spices (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're misunderstanding the problem, Invasive Spices. Most of these redirects are not written in fluent English. The two examples you give as "facially inappropriate" are not remotely plausible search terms. So, if you have an issue with Fram's conduct, AN/I is that way. Otherwise, please keep your comments focused on the redirects' merits, not accusations of CIR or IDHT. And, since you're invoking IDHT, please listen to what others are saying about these redirects. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 17:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin: Now you've moved the goalposts – to the opposite end of the pitch. Which is it, no sentences or fluent English? Almost no redirects are ever fluent English. Or is this yet another game. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I never said anything about sentences. I said to stop creating "redirects with long unwieldy titles". And yes, any redirect with a descriptive title (i.e., not something's official name) should be in fluent English. Passing by American Jews or Passing in American Jewish culture would be fluent English, for instance. (I'm not prejudging whether either such redirect would be kept at RfD; just that they're grammatically correct.) Jewish passing as indigenous American is, frankly, barely intelligible. You need to step back and realize that your sense of what makes a good redirect differs sharply from the rest of the community's. You've cited WP:CIR several times with respect to Fram. Recall that that essay says that Everyone has a limited sphere of competence. For instance, as an admin I rarely deal with edit wars, because it turns out I'm not very good at that. As a content editor I avoid certain articles that I think are best edited by experts. As a technical editor I avoid complex Lua modules. Perhaps creating redirects, at least these kinds of redirects, is simply outside your limited sphere, just like those things are outside of mine. There's no shame in that. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 20:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Jewish passing as indigenous American" is one of the shorter titles that illustrates a problem that's especially common to the longer ones. There's no article about Jews passing as Native Americans. That being the case, how can we know whether the apocryphal person who searched for the whole phrase instead of a discrete part of it was mostly interested in Jews, Native Americans, or Passing (racial identity)? None of them has any information on the specific topic expressed by the phrase. The one it's redirected to mentions, of several people who've passed as Native Americans, one who happens to have been Jewish, but there's no discussion of it as a general topic. There's just no point to redirects like this. Largoplazo (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy note that I have removed you from WP:RWHITELIST. I would have done so earlier, but did not realize you were on it till it was pointed out to me. This does not affect your ability to create redirects, although, as noted, further creations of inappropriate redirects, especially without engaging in dialogue about what constitutes an appropriate redirect, may lead to sanctions. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 20:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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June 2023

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours for disruptive editing by continuing to personalize RfDs after a warning. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text at the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.   -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tamzin I responded to Fram's comment Special:Diff/1160338325. Are you going to block Fram? Delete Fram's comment and mine? Even lightly suggest everyone in the thread stay on topic? Invasive Spices (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I told you that if you had an issue with Fram's conduct, to take it to AN/I, not RfD. You made another RfD comment about Fram's conduct, so I blocked you. You're welcome to start an AN/I thread about Fram when the block expires, if you wish (although I'd assess a high boomerang risk). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add rendering rules to Graphite

Hello A7V2 Largoplazo Scyrme Devokewater. Please reconsider your votes on Add rendering rules to Graphite. The Linux Foundation source https://www.linux.com/news/graphite-smart-font-technology-comes-foss/ supports this in the Using Graphite section. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything in that source that resembles an assertion that "add rendering rules to Graphite" is a good Wikipedia redirect title. And if somebody is already reading that source, then either it contains the information they need, or they're going to go straight to the SourceForge resource at the link provided. Why would they stop at Wikipedia and search for a title with that specific wording? And if a user really does want to find info specifically about adding rendering rules to Graphite, why would we provide a redirect to a target that has no such info? Largoplazo (talk) 17:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We don't control where an internet user will search. If they search here this redirect gets them to the correct Graphite (disambiguation). There are several of these. Invasive Spices (talk) 17:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you mean by "the correct Graphite (disambiguation)". I don't see how that that disambiguation page is correct, or why you're mentioning it given that the redirect didn't lead there. Besides that, what does control over where an Internet user will search have to do with anything? That still doesn't mean we should make up outlandish phrases and guess that, by some coincidence, a user may some day happen to hit upon it, and especially not when the target is extremely unlikely to be what they're looking for anyway. The point of redirects isn't to have billions and billions of them, every conceivable wording and phrasing, out of shear speculation. Largoplazo (talk) 19:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Largoplazo: My meaning is obvious. Which Graphite is a reader searching for? Graphite (disambiguation) shows there are several. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a tip: If somebody doesn't understand what you're talking about, then, by definition, your meaning isn't obvious.
I'm going to guess that what you wrote isn't what you meant. I'm going to guess that you meant that without the redirect, someone entering that search query would wind up on Graphite (disambiguation). Well, it doesn't bother me that that would bring the user to one page that doesn't have the information they're looking for instead of another page that doesn't have the information they're looking for (how to add rendering rules to Graphite). The only additional information it would provide them is that it's a reference to the font technology. But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already have the context that Graphite is a font technology—how else would they have come up with the desire to know how to add rendering rules to it, or that it has something called "rendering rules"? It's pointless to pretend to have information on a topic when the only bit of info that's here for them is what they already know. Largoplazo (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But it seems 100% certain that for them to have come up with the query "add rendering rules to Graphite" in the first place, they must already have the context that Graphite is a font technology It's far lower than 100%. Having some information but not all the information needed is the entire use case of this place. Invasive Spices (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of a redirect is to connect a plausible search term to the content the searcher was looking for. To be a good redirect the title of the redirect has to be something that someone could plausibly enter into the search bar and it has to lead to the content that search term refers to.
In this case neither criteria is met. This is not a plausible search term - who would search an encyclopaedia for random tech support questions? If you want to change a setting on your smartphone do you break out a copy of the Britannica? This also fails the second part - the target article also contains no information on adding rendering rules to graphite, and cannot contain that information because it is out of scope of wikipedia (WP:NOTHOWTO). Why is it useful to send someone searching for this to an article that contains no relevant information? 192.76.8.65 (talk) 20:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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